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Is Ken Burns a Secret Propagandist for Socialism?
Los Angeles Times ^ | September 24, 2009 | Patrick Goldstein

Posted on 09/24/2009 6:44:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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In other words, the entire origin of the national park system, whose most passionate backer was a Republican, Teddy Roosevelt, is based on a firm belief in -- Glenn Beck, cover your ears, please -- government intervention to regulate an out-of-control free-enterprise system. In fact, one of the more dramatic moments in Burns' documentary involves the battle to create a park in the Great Smoky Mountains, while logging companies bankrolled anti-park ads and were "frantically cutting the old-growth forests to extract everything they could before the land was closed to them."

In some ways, Burns' new series sounds like almost as radical a critique of free market excess as Michael Moore's new "Capitalism: A Love Story." Of course, it's unlikely to cause as much of an uproar as "Capitalism" because Moore is a natural magnet for controversy while Burns' films, with their lilting music and cozy slo-mo zooms, can make the most incendiary historical events appear almost as soothing as a glass of warm milk.

However, Poniewozik has uncovered the razor blade inside Burns' cinematic pillow. To hear him tell it, Burns' portrait of the creation of our national parks should give conservatives pause in their rush to pillory government at every turn. As Poniewozik writes: "The national parks -- and 'The National Parks' -- are based on ideas that are classically, if not radically, communitarian: That the free market doesn't always act in the public interest. That it's good that every American shares ownership of and responsibility for the most exclusive properties in the country.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kenburns; nationalparks; nosecret; socialism

1 posted on 09/24/2009 6:44:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Carry_Okie

Ping


2 posted on 09/24/2009 6:45:46 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

He seems like an out in the open commie to me


3 posted on 09/24/2009 6:46:13 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: nickcarraway

i don’t think it’s a secret


4 posted on 09/24/2009 6:48:08 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: nickcarraway

Yesth...


5 posted on 09/24/2009 6:48:37 PM PDT by waterhill (Zero, you suck..)
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To: nickcarraway

What are national parks but tiny hamlets—where people go to ooh and ahh when they get tired of the cities they’ve voluntarily crammed themselves into—scattered among huge swaths of land maintained by private companies? So overrated. People really have no notion of how wild the world is, locked up in civilization.


6 posted on 09/24/2009 6:48:40 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: nickcarraway

They are everywhere...watching Chavez on CNN, wow.

Here’s hoping with this much exposure, the commies in this country will be shunned.


7 posted on 09/24/2009 6:48:52 PM PDT by roses of sharon ( Reagan said, "When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.")
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To: nickcarraway
Ken Burns' documentaries are interesting, nicely filmed and peaceful viewing for a mellow evening.

But you gotta read between the lines because he almost always takes the socialistic view on stuff which is oh-so-typical for public broadcasting.

8 posted on 09/24/2009 6:50:17 PM PDT by what's up
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To: nickcarraway
I wouldn't exactly call it a secret.

La wik sez: Burns is a longtime supporter of the Democratic Party, with almost $40,000 in political donations.[3] In 2008, the Democratic National Committee chose Burns to produce the introductory video for Senator Edward Kennedy's August 25 speech to the Democratic National Convention.[4] The speech which Burns' video introduced would prove to be Kennedy's last in a 46-year career of public service."

9 posted on 09/24/2009 6:50:52 PM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: pissant
There is one big difference. And it is all about who owns the property. The land that the parks were built on was for the most part already government land. Now prior to the parks it had been policy to lease out the land. But a property owner always has the right to say he won't lease it out. The American people (not the government) are the property owners. The government is just the landlord. If the American people decide that they are willing to give up the income provided by the timber companies in order to have a park it is their right as the property owner to do so.

The national parks were like your neighbor refusing to sell you land so that you can put an addition on your house. What Obama is doing now is like saying that even though you own a piece of propery you can't put an addition house on it. Big difference.
10 posted on 09/24/2009 6:53:31 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
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To: nickcarraway

he looks like a south park caricature...in the flesh.


11 posted on 09/24/2009 6:54:18 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: nickcarraway

The United States lost the Cold War. A dedicated huge cadre of communists first seized the democrat party, and then the reins of Washington power.

Ken Burns is just on of many thousands of communists receiving taxpayer money.

If the Stupid Party ever stumbles back into power, it must defund the evil NEA and Corporation for Public Broadcasting.


12 posted on 09/24/2009 6:56:14 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: nickcarraway

What’s the secret? He works for PBS.


13 posted on 09/24/2009 6:57:20 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: nickcarraway

“Burns’ films, with their lilting music and cozy slo-mo zooms, can make the most incendiary historical events appear almost as soothing as a glass of warm milk.”

Oh, don’t get me going!

This jackass is not only exactly that - a communist liberal suck-up - but his documentaries are BORING.

I don’t get anyone’s love affair with this idiot.

He made baseball seem boring (well, it is to a good extent, but it should be fun and light-hearted, not heavy-handed).

Every show about some general subject is injected chock-full of “woe to the ‘African-Americans’” as an entire chapter. About how evil America was/is because of blacks.

That tips me off right there that this dude is an America-basher.


14 posted on 09/24/2009 6:58:00 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
it must defund the evil NEA and Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

Don't just defund them because they are evil. Defund them because we are broke and need the money. Heck going back to my original post start looking at some of the national parks and forest to see if they can be rented out (National wildlife refuge in Alaska for example). People may have been willing to give up the revenue back when the parks were formed, but now facing 13 trillion dollars in debt it may be time to sell off some of the family heirlooms. Or at least rent them out for a while.
15 posted on 09/24/2009 6:59:43 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
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To: nickcarraway

You only need to listen to him briefly to realize he’s light in his loafers.


16 posted on 09/24/2009 7:00:13 PM PDT by fso301
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To: nickcarraway

His WWII series was okay. The 1970’s series WORLD AT WAR kicks its’ butt in every way imaginable. Oh, and he looks like a homo...


17 posted on 09/24/2009 7:02:37 PM PDT by Motorheadlemmy ('No, he's not retarded...')
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To: nickcarraway

The author of the article doesn’t have a clue. Yeah, there’s such a thing as public property, and that isn’t the same thing as communism. There’s also nothing wrong, from a conservative standpoint, about public property. So long as all citizens share in the ownership and have equal access to the property, it’s OK. A national park is basically the same concept as a road, a monument, etc. So long as the original owners of the property were paid fair market value for it and the land now serves a public use, it’s OK.

What’s not OK is taking private property from one person so that it can be turned over for another person’s exclusive use. It’s also not OK, from a conservative/moral and constitutional standpoint, to seize private property for public use without paying fair compensation to the original owners.


18 posted on 09/24/2009 7:05:20 PM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: GonzoGOP

That may be true largely (especially out West), but it wasn’t true in the Shenandoah.

VA kicked out poor people and took their land by eminent domain. The view was they were too stupid too care for themselves, so should be shifted somewhere where they could get “help”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenandoah_National_Park


19 posted on 09/24/2009 7:07:22 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Your post made me crack up because you perfectly captured my opinion about Burns and his documentaries.

I work for a parks agency (yes, I keep my libertarian leanings on the down-low at work) and my co-workers all LOVE Ken Burns (I mean LOVE LOVE). And I just don’t get it because even disregarding his obvious bias, I haven’t been able to sit through one of his documentaries because they are so boring.


20 posted on 09/24/2009 7:14:13 PM PDT by The4thHorseman
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To: nickcarraway
If you haven't seen it yet.

The Old Negro Space Program - A Not Ken Burns Film

21 posted on 09/24/2009 7:16:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: the OlLine Rebel
I was thinking more of Roosevelt parks like Yellowstone and Grand Canyon. Glacier was owned by the railroad, but they transferred it to the National Parks in order to avoid having to pay the upkeep on the hotels. I wasn’t familiar with the history of Shenandoah, but since it was inhabited before the turn of the century it doesn't surprise me that they would need to move people out. And unfortunately it doesn't surprise me that they government was heavy handed in the matter. The feds can screw up even the best ideas.
22 posted on 09/24/2009 7:17:06 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
This jackass is not only exactly that - a communist liberal suck-up - but his documentaries are BORING

I agree except in calling them documentaries. They're actually just slide shows. It's kind of bizarre, putting slide shows on video tape.

23 posted on 09/24/2009 7:18:03 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: nickcarraway
I just watched this video and would have to say no. He's definitely a liberal guy, but probably not a hard core socialist.

10 Questions with Ken Burns

24 posted on 09/24/2009 7:19:35 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: Motorheadlemmy
WORLD AT WAR kicks its’ butt in every way imaginable

Gotta vote for Victory at Sea for that category. And the soundtrack for that series was fantastic. Music to crush fascists by.

25 posted on 09/24/2009 7:19:49 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Motorheadlemmy
The 1970’s series WORLD AT WAR kicks its’ butt in every way imaginable.

Agreed. I still get a lump in my throat when Sir Laurence talks about, "The day the soldiers came...." during the opening of the first episode.

26 posted on 09/24/2009 7:21:47 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Just read an article in Reader's Digest about his upcoming documentary-actually by him I think. Anyway, it has a big section about a black guy that ran some park, and some white woman that started a park. Interesting stories actually, but c'mon, it was such an obvious pandering diversity addition.

Rightly, or wrongly, at that time in American history, the country was run by white males. They were the movers and shakers to make things happen. But let's not forget this lone black guy, and this woman...blah, blah, blah.

27 posted on 09/24/2009 7:32:16 PM PDT by Pappy Smear (Support the presidency, end the policies.)
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To: nickcarraway

His view is a little skewed to the left.


28 posted on 09/24/2009 7:32:58 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: dfwgator
That was hilarious! The Black Studies professor...or...instructor, if I may! HA!!!!!!!!
29 posted on 09/24/2009 7:59:14 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." Orwell)
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To: nickcarraway
Allow me to put on my flame-retardant suit.

Burns has made a career - and quite a good one - out of describing the tension between the individual and the group. "The Civil War" was the conflict between the individual (the states) and the group (the Union). "Baseball" - the individual within the team. "Jazz" - the tension between the soloist and the ensemble.

He is a genius as a documentarian.

He has moved on to topics which help to define us as uniquely American - Mark Twain, Lewis & Clark, National Parks - and he tells the stories very well. I could care less about his politics.

30 posted on 09/24/2009 7:59:53 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (I may not be John Galt or Jim Thompson, but I AM THE MOB!)
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To: GonzoGOP
defund the evil NEA and Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Don't just defund them because they are evil. Defund them because we are broke and need the money.

Amen!

31 posted on 09/24/2009 8:11:29 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: nickcarraway

Burns’ Civil War series was emotionally potent and I was smitten by it, but then when I looked at his baseball series, an area where I am extremely knowledgeable, all I could see was his bias and agenda. Nothing existed except Yankees, Red Sox, and downtrodden excluded blacks. Since then I have not trusted his take on any other topic.


32 posted on 09/24/2009 8:16:15 PM PDT by Colinsky
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To: Pappy Smear

I don’t mind hearing a story about the “exceptions” (although I guess they could give the wrong impressions getting too much time, also). It may have been wrong, but harping constantly on the downtrodden blacks as a whole segment of every general subject grates on my nerves and smacks of nothing more than “see how bad this horrid country is?”


33 posted on 09/24/2009 8:20:49 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Pappy Smear
Just read an article in Reader's Digest about his upcoming documentary-actually by him I think.

Aha! Burns is a Communist. When you remove the 3rd, 5th and 6th letters, you've got Red's Digest, Comrade!

34 posted on 09/24/2009 8:21:25 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Colinsky

You can bet your boots the “Civil War” was full of it. Typical victor’s story.


35 posted on 09/24/2009 8:22:46 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: GonzoGOP

I’m not talking about the parks, just the fact that he supported retards like Kerry and the boy marxist


36 posted on 09/24/2009 9:27:25 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: FormerACLUmember

I agree with you that we lost the cold war — before it even started, with the election of FDR.
If Ken Burns is a secret anything, I suspect very, very strongly that he’s a secret something else.
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The United States lost the Cold War. A dedicated huge cadre of communists first seized the democrat party, and then the reins of Washington power.

Ken Burns is just on of many thousands of communists receiving taxpayer money.

If the Stupid Party ever stumbles back into power, it must defund the evil NEA and Corporation for Public Broadcasting.


37 posted on 09/24/2009 9:27:33 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: The4thHorseman

Even here in NY. the leftists I know think his films are boring.


38 posted on 09/24/2009 9:29:43 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: dfwgator

Call Colonel Flagg!


39 posted on 09/24/2009 9:36:42 PM PDT by drew
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To: Colinsky

You make an interesting point — it’s different when you know someting about the topic. I feel the same way about his doc on jazz that you do about his doc on baseball.


40 posted on 09/24/2009 9:37:18 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: TexasNative2000
I agree with you. And, BTW, you couldn't care less about his politics. Me neither.
41 posted on 09/24/2009 9:37:54 PM PDT by drew
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Shenandoah isn't all that hot. It's a nice drive, but nothing special except to the bikers and roadster crowd. I think it was mostly a make-work project near enough to the media in Washington to show that Roosevelt's WPA/CCC was working in creating jobs.

The Washington-Jefferson National Forest already existed and could have been turned into a park, but Virginia/FDR decided to expropriate land and build a road to nowhere. You've got to actually get into the mountains for the WAsh/Jeff Forest, so maybe FDR's advisors told him he needed something closer to DC.

42 posted on 09/24/2009 9:58:09 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("Do you call it 'unsound method'?" "No method at all," I murmured.)
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To: nickcarraway

New York Republicans are the original RINOs. Teddy Roosevelt was a socialist, a racist, an imperialist, and a Big-Government nanny-stater par excellence.


43 posted on 09/24/2009 9:59:27 PM PDT by gorilla_warrior (Metrosexual hairless RINOs for hopey-changey bipartisan-ness)
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To: drew

I couldn’t agree with you more......


44 posted on 09/25/2009 4:15:49 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (I may not be John Galt or Jim Thompson, but I AM THE MOB!)
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To: nickcarraway

HELLO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


45 posted on 09/25/2009 5:36:57 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (-:{ 0bama's dream is an American NIGHTMARE }:-)
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To: Motorheadlemmy

That’s because Ken Burns IS a “Friend of Dorothy.” You will see him with his partner at any function.


46 posted on 09/25/2009 5:40:34 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

He sees everything through the prism of Civil Rights. Always has.


47 posted on 09/26/2009 7:10:16 PM PDT by Borges
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To: what's up
How so? I've seen a bunch of his films and they focus almost exclusively on personal stories and racial discrimination.
48 posted on 09/26/2009 7:12:47 PM PDT by Borges
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To: nickcarraway

Burns is on the government payroll. The subjects of his films will never be anything more than window dressing for his “government is good, more government is better” narrative.


49 posted on 09/28/2009 9:32:35 PM PDT by mbs6
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