Posted on 09/25/2009 12:42:09 PM PDT by reaganaut1
House Democrats are considering an insurance tax to help pay for their health care overhaul plan, even though such a funding scheme is bitterly opposed by labor unions that are among the party's most loyal constituencies.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Friday a tax on high-cost health insurance plans is "under consideration" as Democrats search for consensus within their ranks before taking a bill to the House floor later this fall.
"We just have to see how much money we need for what," Pelosi said. "And if we're taking the bill down in cost, there are other provisions in the Senate bill that bend the (costs) curve that might be more palatable. We'll see."
Pelosi didn't specify what other provisions she might find more acceptable. An aide said that if the House does incorporate an insurance tax in its plan, it would probably be a more modest one than what Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., has proposed.
The House Democratic plan calls for raising income taxes on upper-income people to pay for covering the uninsured. Baucus has instead proposed a tax on high-cost insurance plans worth more than $8,000 for an individual policy and $21,000 for family coverage.
Proponents of the insurance tax, which President Barack Obama has endorsed, say it would help to lower health care costs by encouraging people to become more cost-conscious health care consumers.
Some of the high-cost plans are so expensive because they come with no co-payments or deductibles, and cover every dollar spent for health care. Not all of them provide such "Cadillac" benefits, however. Some are very expensive because they're sold to companies with older employees, or workers in high-risk occupations.
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Wait a minute here if you do the responsible thing and buy good health insurance instead of expecting someone else to pay it for you, you get taxed for that? They are insane.
I have this strange and uncomfortable feeling that the people running this country haven’t a clue what they are talking about.
Income tax increase? WTH?
It’s all about creating another “kitty” like SS, Medicare, Medicaid....Unsustainable.....without monies from participants.
BUMP
If House Democrats adopt the insurance tax, it may help them to reduce the income tax increase that they’ve proposed.
Whoa, there, didn’t your dear leader claim that there will be no tax increases for anyone making under 250,000 per year. Someone needs to get these two tidbits of hypocrisy in one nicely timed ad.
Now would be a great time to start with the
Candidate Obama promised this.....
President Obama attempts to deliver this....
There is NOTHING good about this bill and never will be!
And after they lather all their mandates on, what insurance won’t cost more than $8,000?
Well, I expect they will just exempt the unions from anything like this, so it should not be any problem.
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“I have this strange and uncomfortable feeling that the people running this country haven’t a clue what they are talking about.”
Whatever gave you that idea?
Uh, HELLO!!! LIBERALS!!!!
Proponents of the insurance tax, which President Barack Obama has endorsed, say it would help to lower health care costs by encouraging people to become more cost-conscious health care consumers
That’s the money line right there.
Their goal is to make people be more “cost conscious health care consumers” which is a pleasent euphemism of “we will make you use less health care”.
We need to calm down and let the dims pass whatever they want. They WILL over reach, they always do. Once they have their health care and cap & tax, the GOP comes out and states a new bond, a new contract with America;
“Elect us in 2010 and 2012 and we will repeal it ALL.”
Must be someone out there who has the talent to put that ad together.
Oh hell. Why don’t they just confiscate our paychecks and get it over with.
In short, the house (per the Constitution) assess a total amount of tax to be levied at the start of each session of Congress. That amount this then split into two equal parts, Senatorial assessment and the Representative assessment. The Senatorial assessment is then divided by the number of Senatorial seats to obtain the per Senator assessment. Likewise, the Representative assessment is divided by the number of seats in the House to obtain the per Representative assessment.
Each state is then assessed an amount equal to the per Senator amount times the number of Senators plus the per Representative amount times the number of Representatives. With payments due quarterly.
Lastly the enforcement - if a State is not current in all payments, then the state shall not have a vote or representation or committee membership until such time as the State becomes current on all payments.
The states would then be free to tax their citizens in a manner that is agreeable with it's citizens and meets the state's obligations. I would also like to see this combined with a repeal of the 17th Ammendment
But the people that they give it away to, use more of it. My dear 91 year old mother, on medicare, went to the emergency room three times within the last month, twice by ambulance. They found absolutely nothing wrong with her. Mostly she went because my sister and I were on a cruise and she didn't have anybody to drive her around. If she had to pay any portion of it herself, believe me, she would have thought twice, but since it doesn't cost her anything, why not?
I think the Rats have gone insane. They do not get the message that they will be ripped out of office if they pass the health monster law. WE WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE.
And you know these guys are from the schools of the “best and the brightest”. It sure brings one to pause. Those in Washington appear to be operating in a parallel bizzaro world where politicians are trusted and bureaucrats always offer the best most efficient solutions.
Let me see if I get this.
The Democrats are going to lower our health insurance costs by putting a tax on them?
Is the tax a negative (-) amount?
/s
One can only dream.....
“They do not get the message that they will be ripped out of office if they pass the health monster law.”
...and then the Grand Duchess Pelosy said in a condescending tone, “Let them eat seaweed quiche!.
Sounds like a "risky scheme" to me. What say you, Algore???
That’s exactly the point. Reality gives lie to the claims the liberals make. You can’t offer someone something for free and then claim they will use less of it. Makes no sense at all.
Top psychiatrist concludes liberals clinically nuts
Eminent psychiatrist makes case ideology is mental disorder
February 15, 2008
WASHINGTON Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed,veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.
Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded, says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness." Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.
While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to the vast right-wing conspiracy-
For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.
Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by the two major candidates for the Democratic Party presidential nomination can only be understood as a psychological disorder.
Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
- creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
- satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
- augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
- rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.
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All the RATS think about is another tax and killing old people.
Exactly. If that was the case...FREE GASOLINE FOR ALL!!!
(It would be good for the environment...)
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Maybe he meant a DIME BAG?
YOU LIE!!!!
Impossible. Hussein promised NONE OF YOUR TAXES will go up.
So when does Hussein make his veto threat?
The liberal is continually angry, as only a self-important man can be, with his civilization, his culture, his country and his folks back home. His is an infantile world view. At the core of a liberal is the spoiled child -- miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.
— P. J. O'Rourke
I think you are on to something. I am doing this from memory, but I recall a provision in HR3200 that would exempt high cost health care plans from tax or fee provisions if they were a result of collective bargaining agreements signed before some date in 2012.
The most amazing thing about the 95% tax rate described in “Taxman” (”there’s one for you, nineteen for me”) is that, far from an exaggeration, it was actually *lower* than the actual tax rate on the highest income bracket in the United Kingdom at the time George Harrison wrote the song. Yes, the highest income bracket in the UK paid a 96% income-tax rate in the late 1960s.
The democrats never met a tax they didn’t like.
If they could find some way to tax the military
they would.
Excellent post devolve!
Democrats want ALL your property and money, immediately and for all time. Republicans will want slightly less.
Nice - any linkies?
Yes because that last contract with America worked out so well in the 90’s/sarc
Ah yes, the days when Labour was in power. Harold Wilson et al.
Sweden had the same problem: they installed such high tax rates for the super-rich that ABBA had to work out a way of being paid in cattle.
“Yes because that last contract with America worked out so well in the 90’s/sarc”
Enough people bought it to elect a GOP congress and that congress put the brakes on a lot of liberal bull-shiite that the Clintons’ wanted to do.
Didn’t 0bama on the Joe Wilson you are a liar address to congress night, say no taxes?
I know he did.
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Is all the Democrats have been doing since they have gone into power.
Oh and...
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They do a lot of that with your money as well.
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