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Barack Obama raises spectre of nuclear conflict as Allies find site near Iran holy city
The Times(UK) ^ | 09/26/09 | Catherine Philp and Francis Elliott

Posted on 09/25/2009 11:44:10 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster


An aerial image of the suspected nuclear facility in Qom

Barack Obama raises spectre of nuclear conflict as Allies find site near Iran holy city

Catherine Philp in New York and Francis Elliott in Pittsburgh

Britain, France and the United States set the stage for a dramatic confrontation with Iran when they revealed the existence of a secret nuclear site inside a mountain near the holy city of Qom as evidence of Tehran’s efforts to deceive the international community.

The coup de théâtre came at the opening of the G20 meeting in Pittsburgh after three days of intense diplomacy at the UN General Assembly. President Obama, President Sarkozy and Gordon Brown took turns to demand that Iran disclose its nuclear ambitions and threaten new sanctions.

Later, Mr Obama raised the spectre of military conflict, saying that failure by Iran to give up its pursuit of nuclear weapons would lead down “a path that is going to lead to confrontation”.

“Iran is on notice that when we meet with them on October 1 they are going to have to come clean and they are going to have to make a choice,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho; confrontation; iaea; iran; iraniannukes; nuke; qom; qum
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1 posted on 09/25/2009 11:44:11 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: FARS; nuconvert; AdmSmith

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2 posted on 09/25/2009 11:44:41 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; rdl6989

Ping.


3 posted on 09/25/2009 11:45:17 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

bttt


4 posted on 09/25/2009 11:46:55 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: TigerLikesRooster
“Iran is on notice that when we meet with them on October 1 they are going to have to come clean and they are going to have to make a choice,” he said.

Twit.

As if their choice hasn't already been made.

5 posted on 09/25/2009 11:47:08 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Barack Obama raises spectre of nuclear conflict as Allies find site near Iran holy city

The question is: Who is Barack Hussein Obama's ally in this - Iran or Israel?



6 posted on 09/25/2009 11:48:13 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Caligula's horse as Senator was smarter than our current Congress)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

There is much more evidence the IAEA is holding back on Iranian nuclear activity.


7 posted on 09/25/2009 11:53:51 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I’m not getting warm fuzzies about this fiasco. I just took a look at Drudge and it appears to me that Obama might be using this “crisis” to create a “Rally Round The Flag Boys”, 9/11 moment in order to get his ratings up and his CommieCare passed. I’m probably full of it but I’m always very skeptical. This is too convenient right now. Obama needs something like this to make him appear “presidential”. I’m not buying it.


8 posted on 09/25/2009 11:54:36 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I don't remember Americans being called "racists" when we fought against Hillarycare.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

What happened to Obama’s pronouncements of a nuke-free world? I guess he thinks if disarms the US and then wags his finger at Iran, they’ll dismantle their nukes too and everything will be well. Obama’s on crack.


9 posted on 09/25/2009 11:56:34 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: peyton randolph
The question is: Who is Barack Hussein Obama's ally in this - Iran or Israel?

Neither. He's Sunni. (IMO) He'll do what suits the Saudi's.

10 posted on 09/25/2009 11:58:24 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Well, he can try, but without credible action to back it up, it will peter out fast. People now know that Barry's talk is just a talk.
11 posted on 09/25/2009 11:58:53 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

The there’s this, which is getting virtually no coverage:

SEPTEMBER 23, 2009 WED : (REPORT : DEMOCRAT FUNDRAISER NEMAZEE PLEADS ‘NOT GUILTY’ -—See HIS BROTHER-IN-LAW KASHANCHI, BANK FRAUD, CITIBANK, BANK OF AMERICA, HSBC, IRAN, HILLARY CLINTON, OBAMA, JOHN KERRY?) Many of the fake documents used by a leading Democratic Party fund-raiser to defraud HSBC and Citigroup Inc were made by his brother-in-law, U.S. prosecutors said on Friday. Authorities arrested and charged Shahin Kashanchi, brother-in-law of indicted fund-raiser Hassan Nemazee, who donated to the presidential campaigns of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and other leading Democrats over the years.
Nemazee pleaded not guilty on Wednesday in Manhattan federal court to defrauding a total of three banks — Bank of America was the other — out of $292 million in loan proceeds.
“Based on e-mail traffic between Kashanchi and Nemazee, Kashanchi was regularly producing what Kashanchi referred to as the ‘normal quarterly statements’ for one of the non-existent collateral accounts, among other things,” the office of the U.S. Attorney in New York and the FBI said in a statement.
“Kashanchi would simply create phony account statements designed to look like real account statements, but bearing account numbers for accounts that did not exist and reflecting balances that purported to establish Nemazee’s great wealth.”
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...—————U.S. Charges Accomplice Of Democratic Fund - Raiser (Worth saying again “Democratic Fund - Raiser”)
ny times ^ | 9/25/2009 | reuters
Posted on Friday, September 25, 2009 5:12:29 PM by tobyhill


12 posted on 09/26/2009 12:06:36 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
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13 posted on 09/26/2009 12:10:37 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I don't remember Americans being called "racists" when we fought against Hillarycare.)
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To: dr_who

This clown is out for the nobel prize. He will sacrifice the security of this nation for his own agrandizment! And when he is gone he will move to kenya and we’ll be hit by the chins and any other two bit military power with a nuke.


14 posted on 09/26/2009 12:21:31 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Anyone want to bet that he gives up over half of our long range bomber fleet in negotiations with the russians? Including the B-2!


15 posted on 09/26/2009 12:27:35 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I think it is time now, the Iranian sites are going to be hit. There are so many -but, I think this is bogus about the one at Qom. Why is it that all their cities are holy cities? If its holy, don’t put a nuke in there morons.

Maybe the Russians have had enough trading now to give their consent to hit Iran, now that they got Obama to kill the missile shield in Poland, the exchange was probably including the green light to let Israel do the heavy lifting on bombing the Iranian nuke sites. They have to, self preservation.

I guess the sanctions by the euroweenies were not enough to dissuade Iran from the allure of nukes - imagine that.

Globalsecurity.org website has fewer maps now on the sites at Natanz and Araz and Bushehr, but there are still decent descriptions here of the installations and activities of years past - see the links on right side of the web page. It is pretty scary, the Iranians have been going after nukes full tilt for many years now. They will whack Israel with a nuke as soon as they are able, Prez Imanutjob has made that very clear.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/nuke-fac.htm

Sites:

Anarak
Ardekan
Arak
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/arak-imagery3.htm
Bonab (Benab)
Bushehr
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/bushehr-imagery-r.htm
Esfahan
Gchine
Karaj (Hashtgerd)
Kolahdouz
Natanz (Kashan)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/natanz-imagery3.htm
Saghand
Tehran
Uranium Mines

Covert Reactor ?
Chalus
Fasa
Darkhovin
Parchin
Tabas


16 posted on 09/26/2009 12:28:28 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Here are the facts that everyone needs to remember:

The LAST time America had a true confrontation with Iran was in 1979, when Ahmadinejad and his student-thugs seized our Embassy in Tehran with the blessings of the Assahollah and the rest of the maggot-mullahs (and yes it was Ahmadinejad, based on the pictures that have been published).

Now we all remember who was in the Oval Office at the time, it was the original Buffoon from Georgia, the phuckwit Jimmy Carter who royally screwed the pooch from A to Z, and our fellow citizens in that Embassy were held hostage for 444 days, plus the good soldiers and airmen that were lost at 'Desert One'. Thanks Jimmy.

Now, just about 30 years later, we appear to be heading into -another- confrontation with Iran, and the pretender in the White House has even LESS experience than did Jimmy Carter when he was sworn into Office in 1977.

So, for the curtain where Carol Merrill is standing, OR for the chance at a brand new car, OR to take $500 dollars from Monty Hall to forget the whole thing, tell us all you fine people:

How do YOU think this is going to turn out?
17 posted on 09/26/2009 12:29:44 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I TOTALLY agree with you,exactly what I have been thinking all day.


18 posted on 09/26/2009 12:33:22 AM PDT by easternsky
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To: mkjessup
There are motivations out there for half-assed military operation. Wall Streeters fear that financial market could go to Hell. Barry's inner circle, hardcore libs, don't want to look like "Dick Cheney" by decisive bombing.

This may force Israel to go for broke.

This kind of operation requires decisiveness. I don't think Barry or his minions have big balls.

This will turn into an unnecessarily drawn-out and messy operation.

19 posted on 09/26/2009 12:39:20 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

For a lot of reasons, if the Israelis can do it, they should do it and not wait for the US to act.


20 posted on 09/26/2009 12:51:42 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I thought the same thing, it’s to get ZerOcare through...


21 posted on 09/26/2009 12:55:13 AM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85 -Happy B'day Daddy 2/20/23)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
This may force Israel to go for broke.
This kind of operation requires decisiveness. I don't think Barry or his minions have big balls.


This is why I think the odds are approximately 50/50 that when (not if) Israel takes out Iran like the garbage pail it is, that Netanyahu will go nuclear from the gitgo, and here's why:

Netanyahu knows that no matter if Israel tosses a few rocks across the border at Iran, or drops nukes on Tehran, Tabriz, Qom, Bushehr, etc., that the 'outrage' of the 'international community' will be the same, with the usual predictable condemnations, shriekings and wailings and the Palestinian whores waggling their tongues and making rude noises, it's all the same.

Iran has to be smacked down and HARD, never to arise again under the Islamofascist banner. The only way to do that is by radiating the miserable bastards and making their nuke facilities, military-industrial infrastructure AND their leadership glow in the freakin' dark.

Once the world understands that Israel means what it says with those two words "Never Again", they MIGHT just stop effin' around with Israel (at least for a little while).

The United States has been prematurely reduced to a paper tiger in the region, only because of our own estrogenic, hand-wringing so-called 'leadership' in the White House and the Congress. 0bama has already wee wee'd himself on this, he no sooner presides over a meaningless U.N. resolution on 'eliminating nuclear weapons' and Iran basically says "EFF YOU 0BAMA!", and he'll either under react (most likely) or he'll over react (unlikely but dangerous if he does).

As Howard Beale said in 'Network' "We're in a lotta trouble folks!"
22 posted on 09/26/2009 12:56:39 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: mkjessup

look at the rules of engagement for Afghanistan. he’ll never unleash a nuke.


23 posted on 09/26/2009 1:06:45 AM PDT by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: wiggen

0bama won’t. But Netanyahu?

That’s a horse of a different color right there.

Netanyahu = Racing Horse

0bama = Horse’s Ass


24 posted on 09/26/2009 1:08:18 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Two evil sites for the price of one. Time to go into the glass making business.


25 posted on 09/26/2009 1:13:12 AM PDT by Kevmo (So America gets what America deserves - the destruction of its Constitution. ~Leo Donofrio, 6/1/09)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The only one of those three with a pair is Sarkozy. This might be a good time to immigrate to France.


26 posted on 09/26/2009 1:40:24 AM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: mkjessup
Better to set off nuke(or nuke materials) already inside Iran, instead of hauling big bombs to the target via planes.

The way things are now, it may not be possible to perform clean operation without radiation leaks. The bombing will contaminate the entire neighborhood including the facilities, beyond habitation. Since the facilities are fortified and bombing can only damage them instead of putting them out of commission, this could increasingly be the case.

27 posted on 09/26/2009 2:03:08 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A known weakling like Obama is more likely to precipitate a nuclear holocaust than a strong and resolute leader.


28 posted on 09/26/2009 2:14:44 AM PDT by Iron Munro (You can't kill the beast while sucking at its teat - Claire Wolfe)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Now Brazil wants nukes, or else they want a bribe to not seek nukes. Chavez is now in the act, too.

It’s becoming more and more apparent that ostammer really got rolled by Putin and Medyeved. They crawled into the woodwork during Bush’s presidency. Even Gaddafi gave it up for Dubya. By contrast, all the rogue leaders and rogue wannabees are coming out of the closet to get their share of nukes now that a Marxist pussy is the leader of the free world.


29 posted on 09/26/2009 2:28:12 AM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: Smokin' Joe
As signalled by the fact, pointed to by Rush, that we did not "discover" the activity, they told us about it outright, bragging in effect, that they were going ahead with it and there is nothing effective that we, now "led" by the ineffective One, can do absolutely nothing about it that would have any effect.

The One really believes that if they get a chance to see and hear his magnificent presence they will surely give him whatever he wants cuz he's "black" doncha know. They did not rename land of the Aryans for nothing. Affirmative action fascism is soooo effective.

30 posted on 09/26/2009 2:29:52 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: bustinchops
No matter. Zero is giving his fellow libs long-deprived 'political orgasm.' Much of Zero's recent agenda have been part of liberal's long-time wish list. Climate change, global nuclear reduction, national health care, alternative fuels, anti-Israel & pro-Palestine policy, pushing net neutrality, amnesty for illegals, normalization with Cuba, and runaway bailout of all kind. They are all either of low priority or exacerbate the current crisis to a dangerous level.

Still it makes libs feel good, watching that all their agendas are finally put into action by Zero. The world and U.S. can go to Hell, but they are in Heaven now.

31 posted on 09/26/2009 2:36:58 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: mkjessup

the only thing holding back Israel is they know they will be going alone,without our aid or backing.Sad truth,but there it is.


32 posted on 09/26/2009 2:47:49 AM PDT by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Late breaking news said that we have known about this second site like forever. Talking about it is what's new and his creepiness likes to talk.

Hopefully someone has told his creepiness about the DEAD HAND/ PERIMETER setup in Russia. One false strike against Russia and their nukes go off to hit us - all thousands are targeted just on little old us. Soft of an insurance policy that says - you better make sure no one nukes us or you're toast.

33 posted on 09/26/2009 2:53:06 AM PDT by x_plus_one (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: piasa
Nemazee pleaded not guilty on Wednesday in Manhattan federal court to defrauding a total of three banks — Bank of America was the other — out of $292 million in loan proceeds.

Will this guy walk like most leftist swine?

34 posted on 09/26/2009 2:54:23 AM PDT by x_plus_one (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I realize he’s placating his base, but I think it’s his own agenda as well.


35 posted on 09/26/2009 3:08:12 AM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

So Bambi is just now catching on to the fact that Iran has an actual nuclear weapons program. Talk about a slow learner.


36 posted on 09/26/2009 3:32:27 AM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: wiggen
the only thing holding back Israel is they know they will be going alone,without our aid or backing.Sad truth,but there it is.

Oh I don't know, they didn't seem worried about having our backing when they were planning the raid on Iraq's Osirak reactor, ask Saddam about that, lol

Oh wait, he's in HELL. ;)
37 posted on 09/26/2009 4:31:43 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Better to set off nuke(or nuke materials) already inside Iran, instead of hauling big bombs to the target via planes.
The way things are now, it may not be possible to perform clean operation without radiation leaks. The bombing will contaminate the entire neighborhood including the facilities, beyond habitation. Since the facilities are fortified and bombing can only damage them instead of putting them out of commission, this could increasingly be the case.


Actually TLR, I think that is even MORE of a reason for Israel to nuke 'em, why?

If there is a possibility of radiation leaking from the nuclear sites, it would demonstrate to the Iranians the true horrors of nuclear warfare (albeit, on a limited scale). Iran has been advocating the genocide of all of Israel's people, thus: this would be nothing more than reaping what they've been trying to sow, and at the moment, I can't think of a more deserving bunch of pricks on this planet.

As John Belushi said in '1941',
Captain Wild Bill Kelso:
"War nerves? Who said war nerves?"
Customer in Diner: "I heard it on that radio there."
[Kelso shoots the radio]
Captain Wild Bill Kelso:
"Radio's wrong."

38 posted on 09/26/2009 4:42:51 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: piasa
The there’s this, which is getting virtually no coverage: SEPTEMBER 23, 2009 WED : (REPORT : DEMOCRAT FUNDRAISER NEMAZEE PLEADS ‘NOT GUILTY’ -—See HIS BROTHER-IN-LAW KASHANCHI, BANK FRAUD, CITIBANK, BANK OF AMERICA, HSBC, IRAN, HILLARY CLINTON, OBAMA, JOHN KERRY?) ...........

What is to cover? Dirty money was removed years ago from political campaigns. And if there is any there, there, we surely would have heard about it from allll the pouting muppets on the cable shows. Wasn't that the greatest deed of all of lord McCain's legislative service?

39 posted on 09/26/2009 4:48:41 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: TigerLikesRooster
After his speech at the UN BamaKennedy is in need of some ‘legitimate’ counsel. This guy is in over his head and he needs a new teleprompter programmer.
40 posted on 09/26/2009 4:59:04 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
Pentagon black op ought to create Bama robot in a hurry to substitute for him. This guy could be being unglued.
41 posted on 09/26/2009 5:02:57 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

What’s he going to do, hit them with his purse?


42 posted on 09/26/2009 5:03:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Pentagon black op ought to create Bama robot in a hurry to substitute for him. This guy could be being unglued.

Somebody is playing 'big time' with is mind. And that speech at the UN cannot be ignored given his holier than thou routine he performed. I still have playing in my head him using the word 'illegitimate', given we know nothing really about his origins and benchmarks of his life.

43 posted on 09/26/2009 5:05:56 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: mkjessup
Good one. I'll take the cash, Monty.

lol

44 posted on 09/26/2009 5:06:40 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The confrontation he is talking about is SANCTIONS only ,if there is Nuclear conflict that will be Instigated by Israel defending themselves not by the Feckless Wimp Obozo


45 posted on 09/26/2009 5:08:52 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“Stop - or else we’ll be forced to yell ‘Stop’ again!”


46 posted on 09/26/2009 5:25:08 AM PDT by islander-11 (Save Nantucket - Vote Republican!!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

>>they are going to have to make a choice

What choice? The only choice Iran has to make is how they want Obama to grovel before them.


47 posted on 09/26/2009 5:25:08 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: mkjessup

Very good analysis. This reminds me of Israel’s decimation of the Egyptian army in the 6 Day War. They knew that if they did it right, they wouldn’t have to fight them again for some time.


48 posted on 09/26/2009 5:29:02 AM PDT by islander-11 (Save Nantucket - Vote Republican!!!)
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To: mkjessup

they knew we would not actively oppose them. can you or anyone say for certain the commander in chief won’t actively oppose them? Its a consideration.


49 posted on 09/26/2009 6:08:31 AM PDT by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Paul Potts sings “Nuke Mecca” (Italian with subtitles)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZzUSiFIIg8


50 posted on 09/26/2009 6:34:20 AM PDT by doug from upland (10+ million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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