And a military coup from these noble guys.
Posted on 09/26/2009 5:00:24 AM PDT by nuconvert
An army general who is reported to have criticised aspects of the war in Afghanistan has resigned.
Reports said Maj Gen Andrew Mackay, General Officer Commanding Scotland, Northern Ireland and Northern England, was unhappy about strategy.
Prince Harry spent 10 weeks from December 2007 in Afghanistan under the command of Maj Gen Mackay.
The Ministry of Defence has insisted that the general's departure was a "personal matter".
Maj Gen Mackay's operational tour to Afghanistan was notable for the re-capture of Musa Qaleh, a strategic town, from the Taliban.
He was subsequently awarded a CBE for his role in the mission.
Maj Gen Mackay's resignation comes as the Daily Telegraph reported that a mole who leaked details of MPs' expenses said he was partly motivated by anger at inadequate equipment for UK troops.
'Serious blow'
Maj Nick Haston, who was Maj Gen Mackay's deputy chief of staff, resigned from the Army earlier this year in protest at policy and equipment shortages.
Maj Haston told BBC Radio 4's World at One programme that he was "very shocked and surprised" at the news of his superior's resignation.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...
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I think there’s a good chance of McChrystal being next if he doesn’t get more troops.
Well, these guys are Brits and the excerpt didn’t really make clear why he resigned except to say he was unhappy about strategy without going into detail. His objections to the strategy could be anything.
Once an officer receives his orders his only real form of protest is to resign. I can tell you as a former AF officer, committing career suicide is more agonizing than anything including combat. If these guys are quitting they are saying as loudly and clearly as they can that something is very wrong. If McChrystal were to quit the message to Obama would be Chrystal clear. I haven’t heard that even mentioned though.
Military resignations in the UK and possibly here over troop support and planning. That’s not the way to keep the military solidly behind the administration. Actions (and inactions) have consequences.
There have been threads on FR during this past week about that possibility.
I saw those threads and I also saw the General’s denial so I’ll have to stick by my statement until somthing more concrete than speculation shows up.
Please people, it is not about more troops, it is about ROE! When the Marines were sent to the theatre, the KIA’s rose dramatically because at the same time the ROE was changed. We need to bring the argument back to this very critical issue. The troop numbers are a diversion and if implemented, the numbers coming back home under flags will just rise as well without the ROE being changed to a winnable strategy.
Apparently the communist camps of social engineering known by the more sinister name "Public Schools" have done an excellent job of convincing most Americans that we do not need to worry about those evil communists taking over...
Aaaaaaah... My head's starting to hurt again.
“Military resignations in the UK and possibly here over troop support and planning. That’s not the way to keep the military solidly behind the administration”
That just means that Obama needs to select generals who are in agreement that we should leave. Then he gets to say that he was just listening to his generals.
Bring em home. The enemy is here now in DC.
The constitution needs defending.
We need the pro constitution military to save us before there is a Red army installed in its place.
You’re right to bring up ROE. I think both are part of the
strategy.
I am sure many of us can not appreciate personally how difficult it would be to throw away years of hard work, dedicated service and endless times of A**kissing to one day have to “resign’..plus the heartwrenching feeling of leaving the troops in a time of need of moral leadership.
These officers deserve our utmost respect and honor in their courageous stand!
I was on a nuclear missile site in Turkey that didn't exist. We had a surgeon who rotated back to the States, right after Jimmah Carter became president. His replacement was a gynecologist. Good guy, got to know him when I came down with amoebic dysentery. The only problem was we didn't have any females.
He resigned after about 2 months. I'm sure it was the most difficult thing he had ever done.
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Of the things you said the most important is the demoralizing effect it might have on the troops if they respect the leadership of the officer in question. In this particular case, if McChrystal were to resign after calling for enough troops to secure victory the message would be devastating to those guys. “We’re not going to get the manpower and tools we need to win so just what the hell are we over here getting shot at for?”
You are so right, nowhere else than in the military is the leadership so crucial to the mission and to the safety of the troops.
a pic posted on Freep this week of some troops in Afghanistan watching the news and standing there ...they looked dejected.
I think we will see it in 15 days if obama continues his currrent pattern, maybe even before.
I think he is starting to see he is being set up to be a scapegoat. The administration liked him because of his COIN strategy (conservative when applying close air and fire support; even though I think it is questionable at best, and possibly criminal at worst) emphasizing civilian casualties.
However, he will be thrown to the wolves if the American public thinks Afghanistan is spiraling out of control. By the way, where is General Petraeus? Notice how quickly the admin shoved him out of the limelight.
Nobody knows really what the strategy there is...all bound up with Iran and China.
One “Strategy” we know for sure doesn’t work is the one in which we wait for the “civilians” to leave the huts so that we can get the bad guys.
Yep. I've been wondering what the U.S. military thinks about all the communist policies that are being pushed on their families back here at home. Are they as worried as the U.S. citizens are? Do they even know?
Vietnam II is in the making. War by opinion poll managed by a former ballet prancer with recessed cojones, and a hatred for his country and the patriotic men and women who protect it.
Get our soldiers out of that hell hole NOW. We need them here at home to protect US! Obama does not want them here at home opposing his domestic policies. He wants them wounded and maimed in the meat grinder he is about to create in Afghanistan, engaged in an endless cycle of static , entrenchment warfare, with no hope of victory. He will destroy thereby our all volunteer military so he can repopulate it with drafted thugs created in his own image.
We need to be rid of the ObaJunta ASAP.
Well said! Time for a complete Regime Change in DC.
Interesting how Obama has to get the stimulus plan passed now, has to get cap and trade passed now, has to get health care passed now. But he acts like Scarlett O’Hara when it comes to Afghanistan and our troops. “I won’t worry about that today. I’ll think about that tomorrow. After all, tomorrow is another day.”
Question please.
Aren’t most individuals in the military under a contract, for X number of years? How do you resign and not break the contract? Or is that just for enlisted people?
Thanks.
And a military coup from these noble guys.
Do you think the Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon will sell out the troops ?
I missed the General’s denial. FR has been hit-or-miss for me lately due to time constraints.
The WH said today it “will not” receive the report from him since they have not figured out their policy yet (too busy screwing the American people to worry about our soldiers!)... so IMHO he SHOULD resign.
Officer-Resignation-Fact-Sheet
Perhaps someone here with more knowledge than I have can step in and clarify things.
The emails I received from the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan these last two months were notable for the mood of depression and the fatigue of uselessness. Nothing was said, as they can’t do that; but you couldn’t help but note the change in how they said what they can say.
You hit the nail on the head. Did we have ROE in WWII? Gulf War I? They were simple. Kill the enemy, destroy their equipment, and keep doing it until WE tell you to stop. BTW, we won those wars CONVINCINGLY. When we fight like that, we are respected, even feared, the war ends more quickly, and there are fewer civilian casualties. We also have less BS to deal with afterword. A crushed enemy doesn’t make many demands. We need to take a lesson from the Romans on this point, grow some stones, elect a new government (or form one if they won’t allow elections), and take our rightful place again.
you could already see the difference between when Bush went overseas to see the troops and when Obozo went...they really loved Bush, for whatever his faults he respected and loved the military!
Nice post.
Oh please.....he’s not going to quit....he’s Bammy’s HAND PICKED guy....when was the LAST time a General quit?
Anyone here buying that one.Not me.
If the Talis take over Pakistan then......what happens.....
well it turns that whole muslem part of the world into a freefireZONE .....and I like those.
Let them kill each other off, we send arms to India, and pump home oil like crazy.There is something good in all this. LOL.Freefire Zone indeed.
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