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Suspected flag burner pilloried
timesunion.com ^ | Sept. 26, 2009 | BOB GARDINIER AND HUMBERTO MARTÍNEZ

Posted on 09/26/2009 10:12:55 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

VALLEY FALLS -- The young man was given three choices: get turned over to the police, go one-on-one in a fight with a seasoned war veteran, or be duct-taped to a flagpole for six hours with a sign around his neck identifying his alleged crime: flag burning.

It was the third option that would still have the small town buzzing a week after a 21-year-old was hunted down and forced to endure a public humiliation with its roots dating to the Middle Ages. Members of the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post 1938 were incensed enough to tie up the man last Sunday after they accused him of setting the flag in front of their building on fire.

Post Commander Nick Normile, a Vietnam War veteran, said the man came into the post's bar Sept. 18 on Poplar Avenue and was eventually turned away for not having a proper ID.

Apparently angered, the young man, who Normile did not want to name, cut the rope of the American flag flying overhead and used a cigarette lighter to set it on fire, Normile and others said.

The man sat pilloried as the village had its fall youth soccer picnic with a long parade of children passing in front of him.

"He'll never disrespect the flag again, I can tell you that," Normile said.

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To: joesjane

Calm myself?! You’re the one who’s advocating violence.


51 posted on 09/26/2009 11:03:00 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: Don Corleone

Ironic given your screen name that you could fail to mention that organized crime was rampant in the Old West.


52 posted on 09/26/2009 11:03:53 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Great story. Since the law in many areas is useless, and the punk didn’t get hurt, I see no problem. We need more of this.


53 posted on 09/26/2009 11:05:42 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: DTogo

I can’t believe you even have to ask.


54 posted on 09/26/2009 11:06:08 AM PDT by Melas
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To: dr_who

I think you need to re-read my post, I said no such thing. Done with this rediculous discussion with you and your spewing of cursing. Have a super weekend.


55 posted on 09/26/2009 11:07:37 AM PDT by joesjane (The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: dr_who

Don’t burn a flag in front of me if you don’t want to fight. I don’t care if it’s $4 or $40, you will fight or end up in intensive care because I will be doing my best to get you there. It won’t end in a black eye.


56 posted on 09/26/2009 11:08:03 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Melas

Well I did, so what’s your answer?


57 posted on 09/26/2009 11:08:41 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Melas

So do I. They should have just beaten the living daylights out of him.


58 posted on 09/26/2009 11:09:51 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Best story of the day!


59 posted on 09/26/2009 11:12:38 AM PDT by islander-11 (Save Nantucket - Vote Republican!!!)
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To: chuckles
Don't worry. You sound like the sort of thuggish idiot I would never waste my time with under any circumstances unless I was armed.

But hey, thanks for advancing conservatism. You're doing a marvelous job.
60 posted on 09/26/2009 11:16:41 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: Melas
the choice itself was criminal extortion by threat of violence.

So why didn't he chose being turned into the police?

I'll tell you why, because he was given an opportunity to take the easy way out.

Small community, as I grew up in. They gave him the kindest way out, he took it.

61 posted on 09/26/2009 11:17:25 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: dayglored

I saw a video of unserviceable U.S. flags being destroyed in a discreet location away from public view.

The flags were not being burned, but rather cremated.


62 posted on 09/26/2009 11:18:20 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!")
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To: joesjane

Get lost.


63 posted on 09/26/2009 11:18:59 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: dr_who

Until I was introduced to Democrat Party politics I believed in the rule of law.

Once I was educated, I learned that the law is only to benefit the Democrats.

The Democrat Party has corrupted the legal field or profession.

They, The Democrat Party , corrupted the political process long ago.

The Democrat Party corrupted the educational profession and system.

The Democrat Party is now working on corrupting the medical profession.

The Clinton regime and Ted Kennedy taught me all I know about the rule of law.


64 posted on 09/26/2009 11:22:10 AM PDT by sport
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To: dr_who

It isn’t the price of the flag nor where it is made that is the discussion.

It is the principle of someone burning the flag, which belonged to the people who got involved.

Sorry you don’t see the difference.


65 posted on 09/26/2009 11:29:31 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: sport
Until I was introduced to Democrat Party politics I believed in the rule of law.

I don't like Democrats either but does that mean disliking the Democrat party justify lawless behavior? This sort of wacky rhetoric is keeping Democrats in power.
66 posted on 09/26/2009 11:30:33 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: Melas
No doubt some will laud this, but I find it despicable.

Why?

67 posted on 09/26/2009 11:33:20 AM PDT by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: All

Out of Court settlement.


68 posted on 09/26/2009 11:37:51 AM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Fact: When speaking, BHO refers to himself on an average of every 13 seconds.)
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To: radiohead

I think I’m going to go out and practice with my throwing axe.


69 posted on 09/26/2009 11:48:47 AM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: Little Bill; Eaker; TheMom; humblegunner; Xenalyte; RikaStrom; Flyer; dix; TexasCowboy; Ron H.; ...
We were at a FReep in Boston, against ANSWER, with RaceBannon and a bunch of Mass FReepers. Race, who is a rather large dude, turns to this Boston Cop and says, "I they burn a flag will you arrest me before or after I beat the Sh*t out of him."

The cop just chogied down the road, working on the see no evil principle I guess.

When we FReeped ANSWER in Houston in 2003, we arrived early with our flags, signs and "We Support Our Troops" banner. The police greeted us with a friendly, "We're mighty glad to see you folks here." They then proceeded to set us up in a location where the hippie-scum had to march right past us. An officer stood between us and them and admonished anyone who tried to approach us in a hostile manner. (Oh, and there were some who did.)

A couple of our guys went over to the parking lot near the park before the march began and wrote down license plate numbers of any vehicles sporting "No Blood for Oil" or that kind of nonsense that had expired inspection or registration stickers and gave it to one of the police officers.

The officer took it, smiled and said, "Why thank you," and headed right over to that parking lot.

(Pinging Flyer, Dix and Texas Cowboy in memoriam.)

70 posted on 09/26/2009 11:54:46 AM PDT by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: dr_who; Melas
I don’t think you get it. Self-righteousness over a $40 flag, probably made in China, is not a sane reason to get into fisticuffs with anybody.

actually you are not getting it...where the flag was made or what it cost is irrelevant.

what it stands for is....and a little public humiliation is a long way from a lynching which is where I bet the sensitive here will take this..lol

I have gotten into fistfights over words and shucks words don't hurt right.

Melas, don't try to defend that. You have publicly admitted here you fight a bit too

71 posted on 09/26/2009 11:55:07 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: dr_who

“Pointless and stupid.”

I know people who use that law firm.


72 posted on 09/26/2009 12:01:10 PM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: dr_who

It was a personal assault, he burned the flag in spite
not for a political statement, he’s quite lucky to
not have it on his record.


73 posted on 09/26/2009 12:08:04 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: All

Our society has become corrupt because we lack the will to enforce civility.
A well-timed ass-kicking to a deserving party is the mortar to the foundation of a civilized society.


74 posted on 09/26/2009 12:15:10 PM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: wardaddy

Gee... what nice, respectable people...


75 posted on 09/26/2009 12:18:19 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: dr_who

You sure are high and mighty and think of yourself as superior

when freepers start on all that “you people” sort of talk they soon become gone

let me be the first to tell you goodbye.


76 posted on 09/26/2009 12:22:12 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: dr_who
But hey, thanks for advancing conservatism. You're doing a marvelous job.

So are you, Mr. McCain.

77 posted on 09/26/2009 12:23:00 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: beefree
The idiot doesn't have the right to burn a flag that belongs someone else. That is vandalism at the least which is probably why he did not chose to be reported!

The only despicable thing here are people thinking he had some right to destroy private property.

78 posted on 09/26/2009 12:24:01 PM PDT by jerri
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To: dr_who

Section 135.00 Unlawful imprisonment, kidnapping and custodial interference; definitions of terms

The following definitions are applicable to this article:

1. “Restrain” means to restrict a person’s movements intentionally and unlawfully in such manner as to interfere substantially with his liberty by moving him from one place to another, or by confining him either in the place where the restriction commences or in a place to which he has been moved, without consent and with knowledge that the restriction is unlawful. A person is so moved or confined “without consent” when such is accomplished by (a) physical force, intimidation or deception, or (b) any means whatever, including acquiescence of the victim, if he is a child less than sixteen years old or an incompetent person and the parent, guardian or other person or institution having lawful control or custody of him has not acquiesced in the movement or confinement.

2. “Abduct” means to restrain a person with intent to prevent his liberation by either (a) secreting or holding him in a place where he is not likely to be found, or (b) using or threatening to use deadly physical force.

3. “Relative” means a parent, ancestor, brother, sister, uncle or aunt.

Section 135.05 Unlawful imprisonment in the second degree

A person is guilty of unlawful imprisonment in the second degree when he restrains another person.

Unlawful imprisonment in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.


79 posted on 09/26/2009 12:24:18 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Bobkk47

Post 79 is an excerpt from the NY State Penal Code.


80 posted on 09/26/2009 12:25:08 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Allegra
A great day!



More Pics Here!

81 posted on 09/26/2009 12:26:30 PM PDT by Eaker (Kaiden sez, "If you have a problem and If explosives are an option then explosives are THE answer.")
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To: Melas

Yeah, yeah ... I know, “Violence never solves anything”, right?

Whatever.


82 posted on 09/26/2009 12:27:06 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: wardaddy
wardaddy Since Dec 6, 2000

dr_who Since Jul 10, 1998

when freepers start on all that “you people” sort of talk they soon become gone

Is that a threat, "wardaddy"? You should think more about what you say.
83 posted on 09/26/2009 12:29:31 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: dr_who

If I don’t have the right to punish vandals, I can’t delegate that right to anyone else to do it on my behalf.

The concept that “taking the law into your own hands” is unacceptable is silly.


84 posted on 09/26/2009 12:30:46 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Melas; wardaddy; humblegunner
No doubt some will laud this, but I find it despicable.

He could have had them call the cops.



Did it hurt getting the tape off your wrists?

85 posted on 09/26/2009 12:33:45 PM PDT by Eaker (Kaiden sez, "If you have a problem and If explosives are an option then explosives are THE answer.")
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To: dr_who
True flag burning is not illegal.

BUT this young man committed at least 3 crimes.
Taking VFW property (flag)----------Theft
Buring said property (flag)---------Arson
Not leaving property when asked-----Tresspassing

Now for the young man's punishment. He was given 3 options.
1. Turned over to police----------He turned this down
2. An old fashioned ass-kicking---He turned this down
3. Strapped to the flag pole------He CHOSE this option

Now since the young man chose option 3 (chose to be restrained) you can't really cry "unlawful restraint" because has was given a way not to be restrained.
Also he could have cried out "call police" or "help" while he was restrained since he was not gagged. No this man sat there till his punsihment was over. After he was released could have called the cops, but he accepted his punishment like a man.
86 posted on 09/26/2009 12:35:00 PM PDT by CMS ( obama pres & dem majority----RIP United States of America 1776-2008 It was great while it lasted.)
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To: dr_who; wardaddy
Is that a threat,

My goodness you scare easy there don't ya lil' feller?

87 posted on 09/26/2009 12:35:58 PM PDT by Eaker (Kaiden sez, "If you have a problem and If explosives are an option then explosives are THE answer.")
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To: DuncanWaring

In certain situations, yes. But as a general principle, that’s a good way to get yourself duckwalked into a police cruiser, hopefully not the same one as the guy who offended you.


88 posted on 09/26/2009 12:36:31 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: Eaker

Get lost, loser.


89 posted on 09/26/2009 12:37:08 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: dr_who
Get lost, loser.

Is that a threat?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

90 posted on 09/26/2009 12:39:06 PM PDT by Eaker (Kaiden sez, "If you have a problem and If explosives are an option then explosives are THE answer.")
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To: the invisib1e hand
"it requires humility to be effective"

Liberals have taken Nietzsche’s views of humility where it is a weakness. Today being a pampas ass is their version of a true virtue.

Just a side note Nietzsche’s concepts was used to a great extent in Hitler’s version of Fascism. It doesn't matter that Nietzsche resented this, they still used his concepts.

91 posted on 09/26/2009 12:40:53 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: dr_who; wardaddy

Doesn’t sound like a threat to me.

He’s simply stating that when one refers to members of one’s group as “you people”, then one doesn’t really belong to that group anymore.


92 posted on 09/26/2009 12:41:07 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Well that too might be the case. Remember 2006 and 2008. And remember who we ended up with as president.


93 posted on 09/26/2009 12:42:40 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: dr_who
Flag burning isn’t illegal,

It wasn't his flag...NOBODY has any legal right to burn someone elses property, what makes you think they do?

1. Have criminal charges filed against him by the owners of the flag

2. Get his ass whipped by the owner of the flag

3. Duct Tape

he had 3 legitimate choices and he went for #3

Whats wrong with that?

94 posted on 09/26/2009 12:43:09 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Who's your Long Legged MacDaddy?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Amazingly, we have a person defending flag burning here on FR.


95 posted on 09/26/2009 12:47:01 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Choice. It’s what America is all about.


96 posted on 09/26/2009 12:52:20 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (Fight)
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To: ozzymandus

If one burned a Mexican flag or a koran these very same American flag burning supporters would be bitchin’ a blue streak!


97 posted on 09/26/2009 12:52:34 PM PDT by Eaker (Kaiden sez, "If you have a problem and If explosives are an option then explosives are THE answer.")
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To: beefree

could have been worse they could have put a pair of panties over his head.


98 posted on 09/26/2009 12:52:42 PM PDT by bikerman (Buck Farack)
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To: Don Corleone
In the middle of their busiest intersection.


99 posted on 09/26/2009 12:53:31 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income. Fire the government)
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To: Lady Jag

Do they make pillories for pencil necks like Obama?


100 posted on 09/26/2009 12:57:42 PM PDT by Eaker (Kaiden sez, "If you have a problem and If explosives are an option then explosives are THE answer.")
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