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'Signature in the Cell' (Chuck Colson: Intelligent Design best explanation for origin of DNA)
BreakPoint ^ | September 24, 2009 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 09/26/2009 10:23:13 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

A landmark book about intelligent design has hit the bookstore shelves. I’ll tell you about it.

In recent years, there have been several important books about intelligent design that go to the debate about evolution and the origins of life. Bill Dembski’s The Design Inference was first. Then along came Darwin’s Black Box by Michael Behe, showing the irreducible complexity of the cell, which casts grave doubts on Darwinian evolution as an explanation for life and higher life forms.

Now we’ve got Signature in the Cell by the Discovery Institute’s Dr. Stephen Meyer.

I’m going to warn you up front: Signature in the Cell is not light reading. If you are not conversant in molecular biology, you might feel a bit overwhelmed at times.

But this is a profound, hugely important book for anybody interested in the scientific debate of our times—the origins of life. I feel it’s so important that we have posted an excerpt of the book at our website, BreakPoint.org, along with links to materials that will help you understand the main points of Signature in the Cell....

(Excerpt) Read more at breakpoint.org ...


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1 posted on 09/26/2009 10:23:14 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 09/26/2009 10:24:54 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


3 posted on 09/26/2009 10:26:06 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts
If you arrange them one way, they spell “God.” Arrange them another way, and you get “dog.”

This book review is obviously aimed at a high-caliber audience.

4 posted on 09/26/2009 10:34:48 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Could it be that you're just upset because Dr. Stephen Myer has demonstrated that every naturalistic explanation for the origin of DNA has failed miserably, whereas the only known empirical cause of complex, functionally specified, digital codes (such as DNA) is intelligent design?
5 posted on 09/26/2009 10:44:55 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Claiming something is miraculous does not explain it.


6 posted on 09/26/2009 10:49:02 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: GodGunsGuts

BUMP!


7 posted on 09/26/2009 11:13:43 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: GodGunsGuts

If I am not on your ping list, please add me!!

Thanks!!!!!!!


8 posted on 09/26/2009 11:14:11 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: humblegunner

What does?


9 posted on 09/26/2009 11:23:23 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Science.


10 posted on 09/26/2009 11:24:57 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: GodGunsGuts

What I found most interesting about Behe’s book was his description of the cascade of events involved in blood clotting. Although the subject matter is somewhat technical in nature his writing style is easy reading. An interesting read.


11 posted on 09/26/2009 11:30:55 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: humblegunner

Science doesn’t explain anything, no more than engineering explains bridges. Scientist’s might explain a thing or attempt to, but not “science”. But you knew that so why the throw away?


12 posted on 09/26/2009 11:39:19 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I have adopted the term “Intentional Agency” - intelligent design is carrying too much baggage. And my term points to a Person. But, that’s just me!!


13 posted on 09/26/2009 11:44:34 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: humblegunner

It is not miraculous that an intelligent agent designs informational codes. Happens all the time. It seems to be the only explanation on the table right now.


14 posted on 09/26/2009 11:45:45 AM PDT by Mudtiger
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To: count-your-change
Science doesn’t explain anything, no more than engineering explains bridges.

Mmmm-kay.

Bridges just happen miraculously and chemistry is a random parlor game of chance.

Gotcha. I'm convinced.

15 posted on 09/26/2009 11:46:29 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Can you prove from Science that Science is the only method of proving that?


16 posted on 09/26/2009 11:46:42 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: count-your-change

Blood clotting is one of my favorite arguments for irreducible structure!


17 posted on 09/26/2009 11:47:23 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: humblegunner
Bridges just happen miraculously and chemistry is a random parlor game of chance.

You are confusing operational science with origins science. Even the Intelligent Design movement has no problems with operational science...the dispute comes when you attempt to use the Scientific Method to "prove" the origin of life and the Universe. Two different areas of study.

18 posted on 09/26/2009 11:50:08 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: LiteKeeper
Can you prove from Science that Science is the only method of proving that?

Is this one of those "circular logic" puzzles?

19 posted on 09/26/2009 11:50:48 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

If miracles don’t explain something, why is the question “What does?” so difficult to answer?


20 posted on 09/26/2009 11:54:38 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It really is a great book. I learned so much about the cell, dna, rna, and he does a great job of refuting all theories that have been developed since Crick figured out the structure of DNA. All theories start after DNA/proteins self-duplicate. No scientist or mathematician has explained, let alone proven, the beginning of the beginning of life. Not too hard a read either.


21 posted on 09/26/2009 11:59:37 AM PDT by w4women
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To: count-your-change

I answered it.

Use eye grasshopper.


22 posted on 09/26/2009 11:59:49 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: LiteKeeper
I’ve always thought it so because of the feedback mechanisms and precise controls needed. There’s no such thing as “almost good enough” clotting.

I think you would like ‘Black Box’.

23 posted on 09/26/2009 12:00:19 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: humblegunner; GodGunsGuts
Claiming something is miraculous does not explain it.

True.

But, then you have to go back to some of the foundational elements of the Universe, and life on Earth, and look at the explanations given for them.

For instance, GRAVITY and MAGNETISM.

We know they EXIST, but no one can explain how they actually work.

24 posted on 09/26/2009 12:05:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: UCANSEE2
We know they EXIST, but no one can explain how they actually work.

And why should a photon move away from its point of origin? And is it accelerated up to c or does it move at that velocity from the moment it is emitted? After all, it can be slowed down almost to a literal crawl.
25 posted on 09/26/2009 12:12:58 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: UCANSEE2
We know they EXIST, but no one can explain how they actually work.

Yet.

26 posted on 09/26/2009 12:13:01 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Didn’t mean to shoot over your head, I just thought if you could say miracles DON’T explain something you would be able to explain what does, but thanks for the effort.


27 posted on 09/26/2009 12:17:54 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: aruanan
And why should a photon move away from its point of origin?

Because it's too darn hot at the source.

And is it accelerated up to c or does it move at that velocity from the moment it is emitted?

No one can get close enough to tell.

(sorry, just having some fun with your questions. AND they are good questions)

28 posted on 09/26/2009 12:25:54 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: humblegunner

No one in the scientific fields can explain the origin of the Universe, and Life , yet.


29 posted on 09/26/2009 12:27:07 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: UCANSEE2

Perhaps not to YOUR satisfaction.


30 posted on 09/26/2009 12:28:32 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

P.S. As a result, we have no choice at the moment but to accept those things on faith.

Or am I wrong?


31 posted on 09/26/2009 12:28:50 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: UCANSEE2
Or am I wrong?

Not entirely.

Not ALL things are known. Yet.

Literal creation and a young Earth are simply too outre' to swallow.

For me. YOUR mileage may vary.

32 posted on 09/26/2009 12:32:01 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

I hadn’t heard anyone in the scientific fields claiming they had the ultimate answer, have you?

They do have the big bang theory, but one only need look at the last word, there, ‘theory’, as proof that it is not yet ‘proven’ (scientifically).

And they have no theories as of yet, as to WHY the big bang happened (if it did happen).


33 posted on 09/26/2009 12:34:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: humblegunner
Perhaps not to YOUR satisfaction.

Actually, I'm pretty satisfied with the concept that the Creator of the Universe did it by 'imagining' it.

Same way humans have created everything non-natural thing that exists on this planet.

34 posted on 09/26/2009 12:37:58 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: UCANSEE2
I hadn’t heard anyone in the scientific fields claiming they had the ultimate answer, have you?

Not yet. But as knowledge grows worldviews change.
Creationists used to think the world was flat. That changed because of science.

And they have no theories as of yet, as to WHY the big bang happened (if it did happen).

Explosives are fun to play with. Perhaps God made it so.

Belief in God and science and evolution are not incompatible.

Except to some fanatical literal purists, I guess.

35 posted on 09/26/2009 12:39:41 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: UCANSEE2
Same way humans have created everything non-natural thing that exists on this planet.

In what way is a beaver dam more natural than Hoover dam?

36 posted on 09/26/2009 12:40:42 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Literal creation and a young Earth are simply too outre' to swallow.

Nowhere in the Bible, did GOD inspire the authors of the books of the Bible to write that "those six days were actual 24 hour days".

Those who cling to an interpretation that it WAS, only seem to be doing so in regard to the question of evolution.

And they are way off base on that subject (evolution) anyway, as most of them believe (mostly due to the movie made about the Scopes Monkey Trial) that Darwin said Man evolved from Apes.

He never said that.

And I don't necessarily agree with Darwin's Theories, but I am intelligent enough to find out what his theory actually is.

37 posted on 09/26/2009 12:46:02 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: humblegunner
There would be no 'science', no theory of 'evolution', if we were just like all the other life forms on Earth.

Something imbued us with a greater 'knowledge', and gave us the ability to 'create'. If it were just a process of evolution that gave us these abilities, it would have shown up in other life forms, and gradually improved. It did not.

38 posted on 09/26/2009 12:53:41 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: UCANSEE2

My word, I seem to have found a rational creationist!

Consider:

Suppose I make a lasagna.

Eventually via leftovers it reaches the dog.
The dog is told I made lasagna and now it’s his.
Later in dog history this is written down as truth and passed along.
“Humble made the lasagna and gave dog dominion over it, etc.”

Thousands of years later science dogs have discovered that “oven”
and “pan” were used. Evidence exists of “ingredients” playing a part.

“HERESY!” cry the creationist dogs. “Humble created the
lasagna, it was told to us and we believe the word!”

Well, I did. Made that lasagna, sure enough.
I just used pan, oven & ingredients to do it.

Which dogs would I laugh at?


39 posted on 09/26/2009 12:54:58 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Not ALL things are known. Yet.

Scientists may have a hard time accepting this, but there may be some things we will never understand.

40 posted on 09/26/2009 12:55:16 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: humblegunner
In what way is a beaver dam more natural than Hoover dam?

No doubt animals are intelligent. (All life forms on Earth are equally 'intelligent'). No doubt they imagine a nice pool, then go about cutting down natural items like trees to use to make it.

However, they do not contemplate things like 'will cutting down the trees change the environment?'

Nor do they go mix limestone and gravel, and haul it to the river to make a better dam.

41 posted on 09/26/2009 1:01:43 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: humblegunner

Dogs can’t write.


42 posted on 09/26/2009 1:03:37 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: humblegunner

Interesting analogy.

But, where are the dogs who scientifically determined that lasagna to have assembled itself by trial and error over trillions of years, and who bristle at the very notion of Humble having had anything to do with lasagna at all?


43 posted on 09/26/2009 1:04:11 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: UCANSEE2
Nor do they go mix limestone and gravel, and haul it to the river to make a better dam.

Niether did we a few hundred years ago but the dam got built.

Qibbling over structural materials aside, a dam is a dam.

The point is man's works are his natural works, same as beavers or bees.

We just do it better and with more vision because we are further up the food (intellect) chain.

44 posted on 09/26/2009 1:06:00 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
My word, I seem to have found a rational creationist!

Yeah. GOD created a few, here and there.

45 posted on 09/26/2009 1:08:18 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: UCANSEE2
Dogs can’t write.

Niether could early man.

Besides, these are allegorical dogs and they write quite well.

46 posted on 09/26/2009 1:09:40 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: RegulatorCountry
But, where are the dogs who scientifically determined that lasagna to have assembled itself by trial and error over trillions of years, and who bristle at the very notion of Humble having had anything to do with lasagna at all?

Dogs don't do science, either.

47 posted on 09/26/2009 1:09:51 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

How did I know without looking this was posted by you:)


48 posted on 09/26/2009 1:10:14 PM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: humblegunner
Niether did we a few hundred years ago but the dam got built.

There are all kinds of limestone based architecture that have existed for more than a few hundred years.

49 posted on 09/26/2009 1:11:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: GodGunsGuts
One explanation I've read re: the extraordinary complexity of DNA and the perfect balance we see in the universe and nature:

Evolution: Take all the parts of a watch, place in a box, shake it up and you have a watch.

Intelligent Design: The watch parts are assembled inside the box to fit perfectly just as they are designed. A completed watch is discovered when the box is opened.

A bit simplistic but the point is there is so much in the universe and our own DNA that fits perfectly in a balance that cannot exist if one part is out of balance that random evolution is highly unlikely.

Add to the fact Christ's shroud has NEVER been duplicated by modern science, the evidence is actually quite overwhelming for God as our Intelligent designer.

50 posted on 09/26/2009 1:12:20 PM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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