Skip to comments.Horowitz vs Frum: Heís Wrong About Glenn Beck and Apparently Canít Handle My Side of the Debate
Posted on 09/26/2009 11:08:16 AM PDT by HorowitzianConservative
For reasons best known to himself, David Frum has decided to suppress my side of the debate on his website. Thus my reply to his latest post (which follows below) doesn't appear on his website.
I agree with you David that this dialogue is getting more focused, and I find it much more pleasurable (and hopefully informative) as a result.
There are two issues here. One is a remarkable conservative outburst against the broadcaster Glenn Beck which includes you, Mark Levin and Pete Wehner among others, and which collectively wishes for his early self-destruction. The message from the three of you is that for the good of the conservative cause he should be silent -- and the sooner the better. Wehner expresses the judgment I detect in all three of your blasts in this sentence: The role Glenn Beck is playing is harmful in its totality. (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/wehner/100152) More than anything else, it is this that I am reacting to. I think this attitude is wrongheaded, absurd, destructive to the conservative cause and a blatant contradiction of the big tent philosophy which you otherwise support.
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Green eyed monster effect against Beck from our side.
The reasons are well known to everyone: Frum is a gonadless weasel
Hannity is remarkably icy toward Beck ( I’ve never heard him mention him). I attribute a lot of that to commercial reasons. As Hannity and Levin are pals, maybe Levin is just picking up for Hannity.
Hannty has his nose up Levin’s butt.
Then maybe Hannity should sound like a broken parrot and actually do some investigating himself instead of picking up on someone’s research and harping on how he is issuing “BREAKING NEWS” for four solid hours.
Scuse, I mean should NOT sound like...
Great. In-fighting. So productive.
Why can’t Levin and the rest of them just leave Beck alone? They don’t have to defend him, just leave him alone.
Hannity carried the radical Obama connection narrative for months, I suspect he sees Beck co-opting his work, plus having to share the Fox news platform now.
Levin was just pointing out how absurd Beck’s claim about McCain vis-a-vis Obama really is. I dont really see the big deal. Every conservative commentator is wrong at some point. That includes Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter and all of them.
Of course often being wrong is a matter of opinion. Being conservative is NOT just your views. And yes that “your” includes my own views. Conservatives have many issue on which there is some division and both sides can argue they are the conservative side.
It pains me when I hear Mark talk about the 5 PMer as if he were some sort of pariah. Levin can keep congratualting himself for his good writing, but the way I learned it the congratulating is supposed to come from other people. Horowitz is a great example of this. As good as his books are, I never hear him chirping about them. (Advertisements don't count.) Radical Son, especially, has turned several people I know away from the dark side.
Dave Horowitz and Beck are a formidable duo. I’ve read Horowitz since “Destructive Generation”—I doubt that ACORN would be in the trouble its in right now without Horowitz.
Beck inflicts pain on the left.
Frum licks their face.
Frum is Canadian.
I try to watch Hannity, but his constant repetition is annoying and he doesn’t really say anything insightful like Rush does. I find Greta to be more interesting.
Well, that’s the real fracture line, because Hannity and Limbaugh and Levin , I suppose because I never hear him, are Republicans to a much greater depth than Beck. I think there will be a real schism when the Republicans are back in power. Just like FR was a much more unified place when most of us were here for the anti-Clinton fellowship.
Beck is saying little that Horowitz hasn’t been saying for decades now.
For whatever reason Horowitz has never struck a chord with the general public. It’s nice to see that he apparently doesn’t resent Beck’s success at popularizing his agenda.
I’m sorry, I know Hannity has said that Obama was ‘corrupt’ for months, but repeating ad nauseum “friends with the unrepentant Bill Ayers and chickens coming home to roost Rev. Wright” is not hard hitting investigation. At least Glenn provides links to NEW corruption. Not year long rants.
Correct on all but Limbaugh. Almost always right!
Hannity was far down my list before he carried the ball on Wright and Ayers through ‘07-’08, then I got a lot more respect for him. I hope he gets Cashill on, or if he already has, I regret missing it.
Very seldom listen to Rush, but I’m glad to hear he’s not joining the jealousy.
I don’t have cable, so I only see Beck when on business trips. The few times I’ve seen him the show was full of energy and information.
So is Mark Steyn. All told, that means Canada has contributed a lot more to our side.
Ha! And of course almost as you know is not always. They are all almost always correct or they would not be in our views conservative.
So of this worry is that our colleagues here have not yet weaned themselves from the MSM. Mainstream mediots always report Dim/liberal internal disagreements as spiritted discussions, if they mention them, and describe any GOP/conservative disagreements as the party and the movement fracturing.
People need to learn to ignor the MSM.
Sorry, I should have pinged you to my prior post too. The GOP is a big tent because you must swear fealty to the various single issue of the groups in the Dim coalition. Many people are not willing to do that.
“Why cant Levin and the rest of them just leave Beck alone? They dont have to defend him, just leave him alone.
Yep—that’s what I say bout beck—if ya don’t believe the birther, 9/11 truther, concentration camp *conspiracies* just leave them alone, he doesn’t have to attempt to debunk ‘em! We duuno/he dunno fer sure!
How would you like to have to accept Pelosi as a member of your party, particularly after the way that Cashill eviscerated her in the WND post down the board ?
He filed for naturalization and took the oath for citizenship on September 11, 2007.
Beck’s exposes are doing more harm to the O administration than any of the other talkshow hosts.
He has the documentation right there for people to see and understand.
He’s the new guy on the block so of course, the others are annoyed that he’s getting all the attention.
Bah! Childish and counterproductive.
Levin is wrong on this one. He fails to grasp that the sooner things fail the better. Most Conservatives have figured out that you can’t change mind numbed loser lefty robots. They have to die. Better by their own undoing and the sooner the better.
Given that Rush despises McCain it would hardly hurt Beck to have trashed McC.
“Its nice to see that he apparently doesnt resent Becks success at popularizing his agenda.”
Couldn’t agree more. David Horowitz hasn’t gotten his proper due as a hero for fighting liberalism, especially in academia.
Frum is a loser, and he always has been.
As for the rest of it, I happen to think that Beck is wrong that McCain would be worse than Obama.
But it’s not as if he is shilling for Obama. It’s not as if he thinks Obama is a good guy.
I think most of us here agree that McCain would be a really LOUSY president, and that he would be all the more damaging because he would wreck the Republican party even more than its current leaders have managed to do. Those of us who supported him and voted for him did so with few illusions, in the realization that we would have to drag him into the White House kicking and screaming and then fight him every day for the next four years. Because we knew Obama would be EVEN WORSE.
Obama is an agent from Hell. He is a Communist-Muslim-America-hater, determined to destroy our country and the entire West.
So, bad as McCain would have been, Obama is worse. So I think Beck was wrong to say that. Big deal. we can agree to disagree. And maybe he was just exaggerating to make a valid point—that McCain is really, really lousy. So, why waste time attacking Beck? How about focusing on the real problem, our country’s enemy, Obama?
I didn't see any difference beyond the designer label.
Just finished rereading Destructive Generation by Horowitz, written long before anyone heard of Obama.
Two major stars are Ayers and Dohrn. How anybody can read about what these people did and still think of them as glamorous revolutionaries is beyond my comprehension. Sick twisted people. Since they have never repudiated their actions of the time, I must assume they are still sick and twisted.
“.. Why cant Levin and the rest of them just leave Beck alone? ...” ~ Rocky bttt
This is why:
The Grate One lost a lot of listeners this week. He has a face for radio but not the voice.
Hannity is a whore for the GOP, 100% bought and apparently enjoying it. He also has a list of a half-dozen countries for America to invade in the 9/11 inspired reincarnation of White Man’s Burden. A right-wing movement devoid of this element of foreign policy - or even one giving such a policy a remote backseat to a domestic agenda - is anathema to Hannity and his ilk.
Pelosi is an excellent example. And it underlines that the Dims leadership in Congress has been captured by the far far left wing. That does not help them in election.
I am a big tent Republican and also one who believes that it takes many different role players to win political battles.
Basically, you have to win elections-- it's the American way.
Rush, Levin and Hannity figuratively stood outside the houses of the left shouting and carrying signs. Beck was a catalyst for the tea parties and (symbolically) threw a Molotov cocktail through their front window.
I like Beck's approach better, as it has gotten results that none of the others has gotten even though they've been in the business longer. It's about time we had active leadership. Yelling at the left isn't working. They just tell us we're evil and keep at their dirty work.
Frum is not a conservative
So you would see no value to Palin being in the wings or ‘12 or ‘16?
Horowitz is an intellectual and Beck is his populist counterpart. Conservatives, including Freepers, seem to have an instinctive distrust of intellectuals, especially ones with Red Diaper pasts.
I've read about everything Horowitz has written and I agree with you: he's given us a precise outline of the current administration's methods and goals. Anyone who bothers to read his 1998 "The Politics of Bad Faith" will understand exactly what Obama's puppet-handlers are up to. Unfortunately, not enough of us have bothered.
The first time I ever heard Mark Levin, it was an audio clip of him and Sean Hannity calling in to a radio show that had Alec Baldwin as a guest. Now I can’t stand Alec Baldwin, but the Hannity/Levin ambush was one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever heard from supposed conservatives. As they both attacked Baldwin for being overweight and having marital problems, I was taken aback by the pathetic childishness of the two, particularly Levin, who Baldwin accurately characterized as Hannity’s “toadie”. It took me a long time to come around to liking Mark Levin again; but his petty, jealousy-ridden animosity towards Glenn Beck is the final straw. In my eyes Mark Levin is simply “The Toadie”.
Well, as I said, Obama is a Communist/Muslim America hater who would destroy the country on purpose.
McCain is just an incredibly stupid jerk, who would do incredible damage by accident.
I was only kidding and agree with your point. (However I can’t remember last time Rush man was wrong.)
LOL. That sums him up perfectly.
I wouldn’t think Levin would stoop to that.