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Horowitz vs Frum: Heís Wrong About Glenn Beck and Apparently Canít Handle My Side of the Debate
David Horowitz's NewsReal Blog ^ | September 26, 2009 | David Horowitz

Posted on 09/26/2009 11:08:16 AM PDT by HorowitzianConservative

frum_david For reasons best known to himself, David Frum has decided to suppress my side of the debate on his website. Thus my reply to his latest post (which follows below) doesn't appear on his website.

I agree with you David that this dialogue is getting more focused, and I find it much more pleasurable (and hopefully informative) as a result.

There are two issues here. One is a remarkable conservative outburst against the broadcaster Glenn Beck which includes you, Mark Levin and Pete Wehner among others, and which collectively wishes for his early self-destruction. The message from the three of you is that for the good of the conservative cause he should be silent -- and the sooner the better. Wehner expresses the judgment I detect in all three of your blasts in this sentence: “The role Glenn Beck is playing is harmful in its totality.” (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/wehner/100152) More than anything else, it is this that I am reacting to. I think this attitude is wrongheaded, absurd, destructive to the conservative cause and a blatant contradiction of the “big tent” philosophy which you otherwise support.

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1 posted on 09/26/2009 11:08:16 AM PDT by HorowitzianConservative
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Green eyed monster effect against Beck from our side.


2 posted on 09/26/2009 11:10:17 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

The reasons are well known to everyone: Frum is a gonadless weasel


3 posted on 09/26/2009 11:11:44 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Hannity is remarkably icy toward Beck ( I’ve never heard him mention him). I attribute a lot of that to commercial reasons. As Hannity and Levin are pals, maybe Levin is just picking up for Hannity.


4 posted on 09/26/2009 11:12:12 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Hannty has his nose up Levin’s butt.


5 posted on 09/26/2009 11:15:04 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: gusopol3

Then maybe Hannity should sound like a broken parrot and actually do some investigating himself instead of picking up on someone’s research and harping on how he is issuing “BREAKING NEWS” for four solid hours.


6 posted on 09/26/2009 11:16:10 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: autumnraine

Scuse, I mean should NOT sound like...


7 posted on 09/26/2009 11:16:45 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Great. In-fighting. So productive.

Why can’t Levin and the rest of them just leave Beck alone? They don’t have to defend him, just leave him alone.


8 posted on 09/26/2009 11:18:52 AM PDT by Rocky (OBAMA: Succeeding where bin Laden failed.)
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To: autumnraine

Hannity carried the radical Obama connection narrative for months, I suspect he sees Beck co-opting his work, plus having to share the Fox news platform now.


9 posted on 09/26/2009 11:19:40 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3

Levin was just pointing out how absurd Beck’s claim about McCain vis-a-vis Obama really is. I dont really see the big deal. Every conservative commentator is wrong at some point. That includes Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter and all of them.

Of course often being wrong is a matter of opinion. Being conservative is NOT just your views. And yes that “your” includes my own views. Conservatives have many issue on which there is some division and both sides can argue they are the conservative side.


10 posted on 09/26/2009 11:19:56 AM PDT by JLS
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To: HorowitzianConservative
B R A A A A A V O !!

It pains me when I hear Mark talk about the 5 PMer as if he were some sort of pariah. Levin can keep congratualting himself for his good writing, but the way I learned it the congratulating is supposed to come from other people. Horowitz is a great example of this. As good as his books are, I never hear him chirping about them. (Advertisements don't count.) Radical Son, especially, has turned several people I know away from the dark side.

ML/NJ

11 posted on 09/26/2009 11:22:28 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Dave Horowitz and Beck are a formidable duo. I’ve read Horowitz since “Destructive Generation”—I doubt that ACORN would be in the trouble its in right now without Horowitz.


12 posted on 09/26/2009 11:24:53 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Beck inflicts pain on the left.

Frum licks their face.

Frum is Canadian.


13 posted on 09/26/2009 11:25:01 AM PDT by y6162 (uish..)
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To: autumnraine

I try to watch Hannity, but his constant repetition is annoying and he doesn’t really say anything insightful like Rush does. I find Greta to be more interesting.


14 posted on 09/26/2009 11:25:28 AM PDT by ohiogrammy (12)
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To: JLS

Well, that’s the real fracture line, because Hannity and Limbaugh and Levin , I suppose because I never hear him, are Republicans to a much greater depth than Beck. I think there will be a real schism when the Republicans are back in power. Just like FR was a much more unified place when most of us were here for the anti-Clinton fellowship.


15 posted on 09/26/2009 11:25:57 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: ml/nj

Beck is saying little that Horowitz hasn’t been saying for decades now.

For whatever reason Horowitz has never struck a chord with the general public. It’s nice to see that he apparently doesn’t resent Beck’s success at popularizing his agenda.


16 posted on 09/26/2009 11:26:13 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: gusopol3

I’m sorry, I know Hannity has said that Obama was ‘corrupt’ for months, but repeating ad nauseum “friends with the unrepentant Bill Ayers and chickens coming home to roost Rev. Wright” is not hard hitting investigation. At least Glenn provides links to NEW corruption. Not year long rants.


17 posted on 09/26/2009 11:27:06 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: JLS

Correct on all but Limbaugh. Almost always right!


18 posted on 09/26/2009 11:28:10 AM PDT by carjic (Laid off since Dec 08...HELP!)
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To: Sherman Logan
I think you've probably noticed that Rush doesn't have a problem with Beck either, though I'm sure he disagrees with some of Beck's ideas.

ML/NJ

19 posted on 09/26/2009 11:28:33 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: autumnraine

Hannity was far down my list before he carried the ball on Wright and Ayers through ‘07-’08, then I got a lot more respect for him. I hope he gets Cashill on, or if he already has, I regret missing it.


20 posted on 09/26/2009 11:30:28 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: ml/nj

Very seldom listen to Rush, but I’m glad to hear he’s not joining the jealousy.

I don’t have cable, so I only see Beck when on business trips. The few times I’ve seen him the show was full of energy and information.


21 posted on 09/26/2009 11:31:14 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: y6162
Frum is Canadian.

So is Mark Steyn. All told, that means Canada has contributed a lot more to our side.

22 posted on 09/26/2009 11:32:46 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: carjic

Ha! And of course almost as you know is not always. They are all almost always correct or they would not be in our views conservative.

So of this worry is that our colleagues here have not yet weaned themselves from the MSM. Mainstream mediots always report Dim/liberal internal disagreements as spiritted discussions, if they mention them, and describe any GOP/conservative disagreements as the party and the movement fracturing.

People need to learn to ignor the MSM.


23 posted on 09/26/2009 11:34:16 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Sherman Logan
For whatever reason Horowitz has never struck a chord with the general public. It’s nice to see that he apparently doesn’t resent Beck’s success at popularizing his agenda.

That's because it is truly about what is best for the country and not about whatever glorifies David Horowitz. It's not about him...it is about America. That is the attitude of a patriot.
24 posted on 09/26/2009 11:35:49 AM PDT by LostInBayport (The magnetic strip on the back of the Race Card is worn out from overuse.)
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To: gusopol3

Sorry, I should have pinged you to my prior post too. The GOP is a big tent because you must swear fealty to the various single issue of the groups in the Dim coalition. Many people are not willing to do that.


25 posted on 09/26/2009 11:38:13 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Rocky

“Why can’t Levin and the rest of them just leave Beck alone? They don’t have to defend him, just leave him alone.
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Yep—that’s what I say bout beck—if ya don’t believe the birther, 9/11 truther, concentration camp *conspiracies* just leave them alone, he doesn’t have to attempt to debunk ‘em! We duuno/he dunno fer sure!


26 posted on 09/26/2009 11:38:43 AM PDT by gunnyg (SUFFER NO FOOLS -Gunny G)
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To: JLS

How would you like to have to accept Pelosi as a member of your party, particularly after the way that Cashill eviscerated her in the WND post down the board ?


27 posted on 09/26/2009 11:41:35 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: HorowitzianConservative
I’ve always regarded Hannity as a lightweight, and my opinion really hasn’t changed with recent developments.

CA....

28 posted on 09/26/2009 11:41:43 AM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've at last found that silly grin!)
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To: y6162

Frum:

He filed for naturalization and took the oath for citizenship on September 11, 2007.


29 posted on 09/26/2009 11:42:47 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: gusopol3

Beck’s exposes are doing more harm to the O administration than any of the other talkshow hosts.

He has the documentation right there for people to see and understand.

He’s the new guy on the block so of course, the others are annoyed that he’s getting all the attention.

Bah! Childish and counterproductive.


30 posted on 09/26/2009 11:46:49 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Levin is wrong on this one. He fails to grasp that the sooner things fail the better. Most Conservatives have figured out that you can’t change mind numbed loser lefty robots. They have to die. Better by their own undoing and the sooner the better.


31 posted on 09/26/2009 11:47:27 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: ml/nj

Given that Rush despises McCain it would hardly hurt Beck to have trashed McC.


32 posted on 09/26/2009 11:48:12 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Sherman Logan

“It’s nice to see that he apparently doesn’t resent Beck’s success at popularizing his agenda.”

Couldn’t agree more. David Horowitz hasn’t gotten his proper due as a hero for fighting liberalism, especially in academia.


33 posted on 09/26/2009 11:49:51 AM PDT by whinecountry (Semper Ubi Sub Ubi)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Frum is a loser, and he always has been.

As for the rest of it, I happen to think that Beck is wrong that McCain would be worse than Obama.

But it’s not as if he is shilling for Obama. It’s not as if he thinks Obama is a good guy.

I think most of us here agree that McCain would be a really LOUSY president, and that he would be all the more damaging because he would wreck the Republican party even more than its current leaders have managed to do. Those of us who supported him and voted for him did so with few illusions, in the realization that we would have to drag him into the White House kicking and screaming and then fight him every day for the next four years. Because we knew Obama would be EVEN WORSE.

Obama is an agent from Hell. He is a Communist-Muslim-America-hater, determined to destroy our country and the entire West.

So, bad as McCain would have been, Obama is worse. So I think Beck was wrong to say that. Big deal. we can agree to disagree. And maybe he was just exaggerating to make a valid point—that McCain is really, really lousy. So, why waste time attacking Beck? How about focusing on the real problem, our country’s enemy, Obama?


34 posted on 09/26/2009 11:51:26 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
I happen to think that Beck is wrong that McCain would be worse than Obama.

I didn't see any difference beyond the designer label.

35 posted on 09/26/2009 11:53:04 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: whinecountry

Just finished rereading Destructive Generation by Horowitz, written long before anyone heard of Obama.

Two major stars are Ayers and Dohrn. How anybody can read about what these people did and still think of them as glamorous revolutionaries is beyond my comprehension. Sick twisted people. Since they have never repudiated their actions of the time, I must assume they are still sick and twisted.


36 posted on 09/26/2009 11:55:34 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Rocky

“.. Why can’t Levin and the rest of them just leave Beck alone? ...” ~ Rocky bttt

This is why:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2341581/posts?page=266#266


37 posted on 09/26/2009 11:59:08 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (A Socialist becomes a Fascist the minute he tries to enforce his "beliefs" on the rest of us.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

The Grate One lost a lot of listeners this week. He has a face for radio but not the voice.


38 posted on 09/26/2009 12:03:24 PM PDT by hwy55
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To: gusopol3

Hannity is a whore for the GOP, 100% bought and apparently enjoying it. He also has a list of a half-dozen countries for America to invade in the 9/11 inspired reincarnation of White Man’s Burden. A right-wing movement devoid of this element of foreign policy - or even one giving such a policy a remote backseat to a domestic agenda - is anathema to Hannity and his ilk.


39 posted on 09/26/2009 12:09:41 PM PDT by M203M4 (NEW New Deal: A pot through every window!)
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To: gusopol3

Pelosi is an excellent example. And it underlines that the Dims leadership in Congress has been captured by the far far left wing. That does not help them in election.


40 posted on 09/26/2009 12:20:54 PM PDT by JLS
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To: M203M4
I'm comfortable quoting Horowitz here:

I am a big tent Republican and also one who believes that it takes many different role players to win political battles.

Basically, you have to win elections-- it's the American way.

41 posted on 09/26/2009 12:23:37 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Rocky
Why can’t Levin and the rest of them just leave Beck alone? They don’t have to defend him, just leave him alone.

Rush, Levin and Hannity figuratively stood outside the houses of the left shouting and carrying signs. Beck was a catalyst for the tea parties and (symbolically) threw a Molotov cocktail through their front window.

I like Beck's approach better, as it has gotten results that none of the others has gotten even though they've been in the business longer. It's about time we had active leadership. Yelling at the left isn't working. They just tell us we're evil and keep at their dirty work.

42 posted on 09/26/2009 12:26:38 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Maureen Dowd is right. I DON'T like our President's color. He's a Red.)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

Frum is not a conservative


43 posted on 09/26/2009 12:28:17 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

So you would see no value to Palin being in the wings or ‘12 or ‘16?


44 posted on 09/26/2009 12:31:46 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Sherman Logan
Beck is saying little that Horowitz hasn’t been saying for decades now. For whatever reason Horowitz has never struck a chord with the general public.

Horowitz is an intellectual and Beck is his populist counterpart. Conservatives, including Freepers, seem to have an instinctive distrust of intellectuals, especially ones with Red Diaper pasts.

I've read about everything Horowitz has written and I agree with you: he's given us a precise outline of the current administration's methods and goals. Anyone who bothers to read his 1998 "The Politics of Bad Faith" will understand exactly what Obama's puppet-handlers are up to. Unfortunately, not enough of us have bothered.

45 posted on 09/26/2009 12:33:52 PM PDT by Bernard Marx ("Civilizations die by suicide, not from murder" Toynbee)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

The first time I ever heard Mark Levin, it was an audio clip of him and Sean Hannity calling in to a radio show that had Alec Baldwin as a guest. Now I can’t stand Alec Baldwin, but the Hannity/Levin ambush was one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever heard from supposed conservatives. As they both attacked Baldwin for being overweight and having marital problems, I was taken aback by the pathetic childishness of the two, particularly Levin, who Baldwin accurately characterized as Hannity’s “toadie”. It took me a long time to come around to liking Mark Levin again; but his petty, jealousy-ridden animosity towards Glenn Beck is the final straw. In my eyes Mark Levin is simply “The Toadie”.


46 posted on 09/26/2009 12:34:03 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Well, as I said, Obama is a Communist/Muslim America hater who would destroy the country on purpose.

McCain is just an incredibly stupid jerk, who would do incredible damage by accident.


47 posted on 09/26/2009 12:34:55 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: JLS

I was only kidding and agree with your point. (However I can’t remember last time Rush man was wrong.)


48 posted on 09/26/2009 12:38:15 PM PDT by carjic (Laid off since Dec 08...HELP!)
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To: Cicero
McCain is just an incredibly stupid jerk, who would do incredible damage by accident.

LOL. That sums him up perfectly.

49 posted on 09/26/2009 12:40:23 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: HorowitzianConservative

I wouldn’t think Levin would stoop to that.


50 posted on 09/26/2009 12:45:10 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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