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Holdren: Sterilize Welfare Recipients
wnd.com ^ | September 23, 2009 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 09/26/2009 11:11:58 AM PDT by kellynla

Obama science czar John Holdren stated in a college textbook that compulsory, government-mandated "green abortions" would be a constitutionally acceptable way to control population growth and prevent ecological disasters, including global warming, because a fetus was most likely not a "person" under the terms of the 14th Amendment.

Holdren further suggested government-mandated population control measures might be inflicted in the United States against welfare recipients, writing on page 840: "There has been considerable talk in some quarters at times of forcibly suppressing reproduction among welfare recipients (perhaps by requiring the use of contraceptives or even by involuntary sterilizations). This may sadly foreshadow what our society might do if the human predicament gets out of hand." (Parenthesis in original text.)

As previously reported, WND has obtained a copy of the 1970s college textbook "Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment" that Holdren co-authored with Malthusian population alarmist Paul R. Ehrlich and Ehrlich's wife, Ann. The authors argued involuntary birth-control measures, including forced sterilization, may be necessary and morally acceptable under extreme conditions, such as widespread famine brought about by "climate change."

Get "The Audacity of Deceit," and learn about the looming hostile attack on Judeo-Christian values and freedoms Americans hold dear

Writing on page 839 of the textbook, the authors state: "The common law and drafters of the U.S. Constitution did not consider a fetus a human being. Feticide was not murder in common law because the fetus was not considered to be a human being, and for purposes of the Constitution a fetus is probably not a 'person' within the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. Thus under the constitution, abortion is apparently not unlawful, although infanticide obviously is."

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1 posted on 09/26/2009 11:11:58 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; narses; NYer; A.A. Cunningham

ping


2 posted on 09/26/2009 11:12:26 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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"To most biologists, an embryo or a fetus is no more a complete human being than a blueprint is a complete building."
3 posted on 09/26/2009 11:13:13 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Abort Fedzilla!


4 posted on 09/26/2009 11:14:01 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: kellynla

Hey, sterilizing welfare recipients would be getting rid of the democrats voting majority in years to come. They won’t do that.


5 posted on 09/26/2009 11:15:10 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: kellynla

Does the ppresident go out of his way to pick the fruitiest of nut cases for his czars?


6 posted on 09/26/2009 11:15:16 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama, you stop lying; we'll stop callin' you a LIAR.)
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Isn’t it a suggestion to reduce the number of Mr. 0bama constituents?


7 posted on 09/26/2009 11:15:25 AM PDT by Behemoth the Cat
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To: kellynla
Oh, this'll go over real big.

That is, if it ever sees the light of day.

8 posted on 09/26/2009 11:15:46 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: kellynla

Holdren has written a lot of books. I’m not sure what the point is to quote from books where he talks about treating fetuses badly. Look for the books where he talks about how children are not human beings.


9 posted on 09/26/2009 11:17:04 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: kellynla

This biologist doesn’t think that.


10 posted on 09/26/2009 11:17:49 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: kellynla

Well that’ll lock down the Hispanic vote, fer shur...(/s)


11 posted on 09/26/2009 11:18:30 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: kellynla

I posted it on my Facebook page...I have over 900 friends on there so the more eyes that glance this story the better. I recommend ya’ll do the same.


12 posted on 09/26/2009 11:19:29 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: kellynla
a fetus was most likely not a "person" under the terms of the 14th Amendment.

I think various Supreme Court decisions have made this pretty clear.

13 posted on 09/26/2009 11:20:21 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: kellynla
Planned Parenthood was founded to push eugenics and reduce the number of black people in the US population.
Now Obama has a czar who wants welfare recipients to be sterilized.

They tell me that Republicans are racists and hate poor people, but I dunno ... seems like the Left has got that locked up.

14 posted on 09/26/2009 11:24:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“They tell me that Republicans are racists and hate poor people, but I dunno ... seems like the Left has got that locked up.”

That’s true. Elitism is not typical to the Right. The Left despises poor/uneducated people and wants to rule them. This mental disease goes all the way to Plato and the concept of the “rule of the philosophers”.


15 posted on 09/26/2009 11:33:04 AM PDT by Behemoth the Cat
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To: BuffaloJack
Does the ppresident go out of his way to pick the fruitiest of nut cases for his czars?

On the contrary. They are Obama! They represent his philosophy and his views on how his world should be run.

16 posted on 09/26/2009 11:34:27 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: kellynla

I’ve been saying this for years.

You want to be on welfare long term? Submit to sterilization.

24 months is long enough. After that? Snip...snip.


17 posted on 09/26/2009 11:35:43 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: DCPatriot

Amen - hard to believe I would ever agree with a policy of the O’Bonzo administration, but there it is.


18 posted on 09/26/2009 11:37:43 AM PDT by PermaRag (the stock market will stop bleeding when those who manipulate it START bleeding)
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To: kellynla

Yes well, in San Diego in the late 60’s early 70’s I listened to a speeches by Nader, Fonda and some guy (must have been Holdren) advocating a law that Americans be limited to 2 children only. Unlike China apparently Americans will get to have 2.
Sick SOB’s


19 posted on 09/26/2009 11:48:22 AM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: DCPatriot; PermaRag
I could get on board with that.

It just sucks for the people who only use the help temporarily and don't abuse the system.
20 posted on 09/26/2009 11:52:14 AM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: kellynla

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

How is it those advocating killing other folks won’t do us the favor of removing themselves first.


21 posted on 09/26/2009 11:52:50 AM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: DCPatriot; PermaRag; kellynla; don-o
When you look at all the people who are dependent on the government for their income, the public employees probably do more damage to society, in the long run, than the unemployed. How 'bout permanent sexual maiming for everyone who draws a paycheck from the public treasury: county, state, fed?

(Raises hands to heaven, rolls eyes.)

22 posted on 09/26/2009 11:53:04 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Your sarcasm tag: don't leave home without it.)
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To: kellynla

“So we must avoid this horrible fate by...sterilizing everyone equally right now!”


23 posted on 09/26/2009 11:59:12 AM PDT by M203M4 (NEW New Deal: A pot through every window!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
it's actually worse than you think...

HALF of the population is dependent on the gov’t for their livelihood...
who says “Communism is dead!”

24 posted on 09/26/2009 12:01:36 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: DCPatriot

I agree, finally they come up with the solution to lowering the welfare rolls and reduce the debt.


25 posted on 09/26/2009 12:09:53 PM PDT by annieokie (i)
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To: BuffaloJack

Sanity counts against potential Czars


26 posted on 09/26/2009 12:16:43 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Don Corleone

“They are Obama! They represent his philosophy and his views on how his world should be run. “

Yep


27 posted on 09/26/2009 12:33:25 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: DCPatriot

I was thinking along the same lines, but was reluctant to be called a population controller.


28 posted on 09/26/2009 12:43:42 PM PDT by brianr10
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To: DCPatriot; Mrs. Don-o
Submit to sterilization.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on this one. On one level, I know it seems like the logical and simple solution to the problem as presented. But, putting such power into government hands puts us on yet another road with s most likely bad destination.

Never lose sight of the fact that every human life is a great blessing, regardless of the circumstances of birth.

29 posted on 09/26/2009 12:51:08 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: kellynla
As you can see from this public assistance facts website (scroll about 1/4 of the way down to "Table 6. State Time Limits, Exemptions, and Extensions") all the states have limits on the length of time one can draw welfare benefits. There are often exemptions for people who are disabled, or caring for a disabled person, but most frequently it's a 24 month continuous benefits limit, or 5 year lifetime limit.

For the unemployed.

For those actually employed by the government, unfortunately there's no limit at all. Even politicians with term limit, can move on to some other section of the public trough, and usually do.

My previous response was based on being rather taken aback by the malice of folks who want to force drugs, devices, or surgery on people to cripple their ability to reproduce --- people who have not even been convicted of any crime.

Despite what I said about public employment, it would certainly make more sense to have a work requirement (welfare recipients have to work at some sort of public project) rather than punitive reproductive mutilation.

I mean, sheesh. I'm aghast.

30 posted on 09/26/2009 12:58:21 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: annieokie

Exactly!

You had to keep that opinion to your inner-most circle of influence...but now that the ‘Population Czar’ is on board??

Let’s have at it.

I even suggested they offer them a cash lump sum payment to be sterilized. No muss...no fuss.

In another 50 years, there would be a more prosperous environment for everybody.

Since they have no respect for aborted babies, they cannot yell genocide or extermination.
Nobody gets hurt financially and life goes on.

Of course...you have to step back and look at what possible ramifications this could have for the citizen who NEVER took a dime in unemployment, welfare, or social security benefits.

Here’s a scenario. A major disaster in Heartland America...Red State America. Think Katrina squared.

That’s a lot of people receiving welfare that the same rule could apply.

What’s good for the goose....


31 posted on 09/26/2009 1:01:17 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: don-o

I wish I would have seen your post before I just responded to somebody.

Yes...we have to realize unintended consequences.

My mind kept thinking in terms of the people who fall under cradle to grave welfare...who as a result fill our prisons and jails, and account for the vast majority of crime overall.


32 posted on 09/26/2009 1:05:04 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: kellynla

Fully considered, Welfare is a War on the Poor, which the State is winning.

Human flesh has no chance against the pitiless hand of government.


33 posted on 09/26/2009 1:12:54 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: headsonpikes

Word.


34 posted on 09/26/2009 1:23:40 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: DCPatriot

No harm. No foul.


35 posted on 09/26/2009 1:24:49 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

*When you look at all the people who are dependent on the government for their income, the public employees probably do more damage to society, in the long run, than the unemployed. *

Yep, those cops, firefighters, etc. do a lot more damage than welfare mommas and they baby daddy’s out robbin’ de likker sto’ fo de fifth time dis month.


36 posted on 09/26/2009 1:32:32 PM PDT by j-damn
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To: j-damn

IMO, you may think that cute, but to many it would come off as racist.

There’s no need to single a race out like that.

Anybody that can fog a mirror knows what we’re talking about.


37 posted on 09/26/2009 1:40:38 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: j-damn
Yep, those cops, firefighters, etc. do a lot more damage than welfare mommas and they baby daddy’s out robbin’ de likker sto’ fo de fifth time dis month.

I often help comments like that disappear from this board. But, for this one I am going to challenge a stupid AND racist comment for what it is. GARBAGE.

Shame on you!

38 posted on 09/26/2009 2:21:50 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: DCPatriot
Unemployment and Social Security is not the same as 40 years, or 4 generations of welfare breeders. No worry about Social Security anyway, too old to breed.

I have always thought perhaps one child from a welfare mother, no more. Steralize her if she should get pregnant again, the option is up to her. Also, she MUST DISCLOSE who the father is when she signs up for welfare, this can and should be done NOW.

A major disaster in America, that still would not be a problem as most honest hard working industrios people will pull together and get out of that mess and we would need more of that kind of people, or those that DO.

Katrina Squared, well Katrina ONE is what we are talking about in the first place, welfare people, or those that DON't or WON't, for the most part, and since they can't think for themselves to start walking/running or drive out of that place with as much warning as they had, we don't need them to breed.

39 posted on 09/26/2009 2:34:05 PM PDT by annieokie (i)
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To: j-damn

No, no, I’m not talking about cops and firefighters. But I should have been more focused. Let’s start with the Federal Dept. of Education.


40 posted on 09/26/2009 3:29:49 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: freeangel

This was a very popular opinion amoung the left eugenics folks in the 80’s. Republicans and Democrats.


41 posted on 09/26/2009 3:49:53 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: kellynla
Does that include the politicians who are being paid by taxpayer money while doing nothing productive?
42 posted on 09/26/2009 3:51:47 PM PDT by airborne (Don't let history record that, when faced with evil, you did nothing!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I would also like to say that when the fed.gov stops sending young men and women to war, my husbands job will not be needed in the hospital he works in for them. Some gov workers are there for a reason. While I detest govt waste, someone has to be in the military, take care of the veterans, and other essential work. DOE on the other hand, can go!


43 posted on 09/26/2009 4:51:50 PM PDT by wombtotomb (Equal opportunity does not mean equal OUTCOME!!)
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To: wombtotomb

OK!


44 posted on 09/26/2009 4:58:45 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (When everything is coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.)
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To: kellynla

This guy is either nutz or has no heart!


45 posted on 09/26/2009 8:09:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: don-o

You’re not very adept at spotting sarcasm, are you.


46 posted on 09/26/2009 8:15:47 PM PDT by j-damn
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To: j-damn

Why don’t you ‘splain it to me?


47 posted on 09/26/2009 8:18:30 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: Salvation

“This guy is either nutz or has no heart!”

or both!


48 posted on 09/26/2009 9:46:54 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Holdren further suggested government-mandated population control measures might be inflicted in the United States against welfare recipients, writing on page 840: "There has been considerable talk in some quarters at times of forcibly suppressing reproduction among welfare recipients (perhaps by requiring the use of contraceptives or even by involuntary sterilizations). This may sadly foreshadow what our society might do if the human predicament gets out of hand." (Parenthesis in original text.)

Given a choice, I'd rather see welfare recipients forced to use contraceptives or sterilized. At least they wouldn't be aborting babies. jmo

49 posted on 09/26/2009 9:56:51 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: kellynla
Pinged from Terri Dailies


50 posted on 09/27/2009 1:41:34 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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