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Under Obamaís Health Care: If you Donít Sign up, Youíll be Taxed AND Go to Jail?
http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/09/25/under-obamas-health-care-if-you-dont-sign-up-youll-be-taxed-and-go-to-jail/ ^ | 09-25-09 | Mike's America

Posted on 09/26/2009 11:27:57 AM PDT by Starman417

Let's see Obama spin this one!

By now readers may be aware that the health care bill proposed by Democrats creates an individual mandate which requires all Americans to buy health insurance (illegal aliens will still be able to get their care free).

Even though then Sen. Obama campaigned for office against a mandate, he's on record supporting one now and claiming that it does not constitute a tax even though just about everyone else concedes it is a tax.

Republicans in the U.S. Senate tried to get the individual mandate removed from the bill Democrats are pushing rapidly through the Senate Finance Committee but their amendment was voted down on a largely party line vote.

What readers may not be aware of is the penalty for not buying insurance is more than a fine. It may also include jail time. Senator John Ensign (R-NV) questioned Senate Finance Committee Chief of Staff Thomas Barthold on the issue of penalties and got a handwritten response:

(Excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bloggersandpersonal; ensign; floppingacesisablog; obama; obamacare; soutrcetitlenoturl

1 posted on 09/26/2009 11:27:57 AM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

We have to get this message out to all those twenty somethings that gleefully voted for the Bamster!!!
HA!

Lets see how much they hate the free enterprise system NOW!


2 posted on 09/26/2009 11:29:19 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for Israel! And Georgia ! And the Iranian people! and Honduras!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

They won’t care.


3 posted on 09/26/2009 11:34:15 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Starman417

What are they going to do if 50 million people REFUSE to buy insurance. They can’t put everybody in jail.

Maybe it is time for a good REVOLT!!


4 posted on 09/26/2009 11:36:39 AM PDT by VRWCRick
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To: Starman417

So not having health insurance will become a federal crime?


5 posted on 09/26/2009 11:39:56 AM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: VRWCRick

Take a look at WHO will enforce this...THE IRS.
They can Seize YOUR bank account.
THAT is why the proposal to allow the HHS Secretary to access your bank account is so important. Not only will they force you into the Fascist HCS, they will drain your bank account to pay for it. Time to buy a safe.


6 posted on 09/26/2009 11:41:56 AM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Starman417

Let see:

1. The jail part was always true. If you don’t pay taxes, governments take it seriously.

2. If many young adults are really not buying insurance as a matter of choice as I believe, what will matter to them is the amount of cash it costs them. Also young adults will need to be informed that there will be no buying a month of insurance to show the card to get your tag and DL and then let it lapse.

3. Young adults will probably ignor this so it is good that this bill also cuts back on elderly health care and they vote.


7 posted on 09/26/2009 11:43:46 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Starman417

Consider a strategy to amend the bill to replace jail time with capital punishment. Kind of like a “poison pill” for health care “reform”. Might as well, as no matter how its spun, it amounts to capital punishment for elderly, even paying this tax.


8 posted on 09/26/2009 11:47:33 AM PDT by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: VRWCRick

I refuse to pay the tax. I will not allow an arrest. Time to resist.

III


9 posted on 09/26/2009 11:51:27 AM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: Starman417

I would like to know how people making let’s say under $30k with a family supposed to afford to buy this insurance, make their house payments, etc.?


10 posted on 09/26/2009 11:51:28 AM PDT by hsmomx3 (GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: C210N

Wow if you do not do what “Big Govt” says for your own good; You will be fined and you will go to jail. Something is wrong with this picture.


11 posted on 09/26/2009 11:54:09 AM PDT by vicar7
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To: Starman417
This is a TAX.

This is to continue stealing the wealth of the middle class and the next generation, AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HEALTH.

12 posted on 09/26/2009 11:55:28 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: vicar7

I think each of us needs to point blank ask our congressional “representatives”: “Are you going to vote to send me to jail?”


13 posted on 09/26/2009 11:56:44 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Once they've called you a racist, you've got nothing to lose.)
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To: hsmomx3

I have come to the conclusion that ‘they’ seriously don’t give a hoot.

Live in a tent if you have to, pay up, serf!


14 posted on 09/26/2009 11:58:52 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Starman417
Obama's attempt to compel everyone to enter into contract for health insurance not only violates the Constitution, it is also an attack on the natural right to enter into contract because it subverts the requirement that a contract, absent a license or some privilege granted by government, must be a voluntary act on the part of the parties. You cannot be compelled under threat or coercion to enter into a contract with anyone, including government. Obama and the Facsist Demcrats seek to overthrow centuries old contract law.

Cordially,

15 posted on 09/26/2009 12:11:52 PM PDT by Diamond (``)
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To: Starman417

Tax and jail, YES. But remember—they’re just doing what’s BEST FOR US!!!


16 posted on 09/26/2009 12:33:11 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Blogger

The ones that are working and suddenly their company drops their insurance or they are ‘little nerds without ins” WILL care, when they can’t spend their money on Itunes, Starbucks, etc.

Most of them are young , healthy kids, shacking up together or with roomates. They never got insurance ‘cause I’m never sick”...suddenly they will be forced to get health insurance and cough up the money. then they will be yelping,”HEY THAT’S NOT FAIR!!!”

THIS ALL HASN’T HIT THEM YET CAUSE THEY ARE STILL IN oBOZO DREAMLAND.


17 posted on 09/26/2009 12:34:24 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for Israel! And Georgia ! And the Iranian people! and Honduras!)
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To: Starman417

Send me to jail..! ;)


18 posted on 09/26/2009 12:36:52 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
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To: Diamond

bttt


19 posted on 09/26/2009 12:51:35 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (A Socialist becomes a Fascist the minute he tries to enforce his "beliefs" on the rest of us.)
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To: Starman417
Hope! Change! Choice! Competition! Freedom!
No! No! No! No! No!
20 posted on 09/26/2009 12:53:04 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Marty62
Time for the citizens of this country to say enough! Either kick the slime out of DC or separate. The founding fathers knew that eventually this Republic would come to a point of rupture. I do not want to be forced into someone else’s way of thinking nor do I want to force by beliefs onto someone else. I don't want to compromise any longer either. A peaceful separation, IMHO, would be the way to go.
21 posted on 09/26/2009 12:56:21 PM PDT by yadent
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To: Starman417

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_tBqrHMoTs


22 posted on 09/26/2009 1:14:33 PM PDT by Americaneedsyoou
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To: Starman417

Democrat thinking in this situation could be extrapolated to consumerism as well,...remember the ‘consumer society’ of LBJ?

Already, trial balloons of ‘stimulus’, ‘clunkers’, have been tried to increase ‘consumerism’. As with health insurance commands to buy the govt. plan, ‘or else’, consumerism in general, increasingly, might be ‘commanded’ in the ever loonier, radical Dem economic playbook. BEWARE.


23 posted on 09/26/2009 1:16:35 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: TruthConquers

I do agree with you. I would like to take every single one of them, give them a minimum wage job, a house payment, etc., and then see how they survive. Better yet, no job, live off of unemployment, their home goes into foreclosure, and now let’s see what they will do.


24 posted on 09/26/2009 1:58:19 PM PDT by hsmomx3 (GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Starman417

25 posted on 09/26/2009 2:18:04 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: Starman417

If I’m incarcerated am I then eligible for medical care?


26 posted on 09/26/2009 2:19:22 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: All

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ATTENTION FELLOW TEXANS:

Governor Rick Perry may invoke the 10th Amendment over
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2299225/posts?q=1&;page=51

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Get after Perry, Texans. Burn up his switch board and fax!
Let him know we don’t want Obama DeathCare.

Say no to Obama’s DeathCare.

Send a message; DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS healthcare!

No! NO you don’t, you muzzie pos.

You’re not denying our seniors deserved health care while insuring millions of illegal aliens and while Demorats are REJECTING Obamacare for themselves and their families!

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Join organizations who fight ObamaCare.

This is a good organization:
The Alliance of Texans Against Government Controlled Healthcare:
http://www.notintexas.org/

office (972) 466-2915
fax (972) 466-2965
toll-free (866) 377-1300

From the website:
We are currently contacting Governor Rick Perry by fax and mail!

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http://www.notintexas.org/Letter_rick_perry.htm

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Read and sign the petition
http://www.notintexas.org/Letter_to_Reps.htm

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Print and sign the letter
(feel free to make changes if you wish)

Fax the letter to the fax numbers

Mail a hard copy to the addresses

Call their offices

Dear Governor Perry,

On March 30, 2009 the Texas House of Representatives passed HCR 50 affirming that the State of Texas claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment.

You have publicly supported this bill, and stated that attorney generals from all over the union could be getting ready to sue the US Government.

We are asking you to take the lead.

We are asking you to order the Texas Attorney General to publicly begin working on a law suit under Article IV, Ninth, and Tenth Amendment of the Constitution.

We are asking you to protect the citizens of Texas that we will not stand for government controlled healthcare in our state.

Under your leadership we can effectively kill the proposal of this administration and allow Texas to be a state free from socialism and collectivism.

Be the voice of reason in the national debate and allow Texans the ability to solve the problems of our state.

Thank you,

(Signature Date)

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P.O. Box 12428
Austin, Texas 78711
Phone: (512) 463-2000
Fax: (512) 463-1849

Washington Office:
122 C St., NW, Ste. 200
Washington, DC 20001
Phone: (202) 638-3927
Fax: (202) 628-1943

Contact Budget Planning and Policy

Address:1100 San Jacinto
Austin, Texas 78701
Phone: (512) 463-1778
Fax: (512) 463-1975
Gregory S. Davidson
Constituent Communication Division Director and
Executive Clerk to the Governor
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Office of the General Counsel
Department Mailing Address
P.O. Box 12428
Austin, TX 78711
Phone: 512.463.2000
Fax: 512.463.1932

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Phone: (512) 463-1826
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Austin, Texas 78711
Phone: (512) 463-1778
Fax: (512) 463-1975

Sign up. Become a member.
Sign petition against Obamacare!
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From Texans Against Government Controlled Health Care

http://www.notintexas.org/

Facts about the 10th Amendment:

The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791. The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitution’s principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people.

HCR 50 HAS PASSED THE HOUSE 99-36!
Affirming that the State of Texas claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the U.S. Constitution, serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates, and providing that certain federal legislation be prohibited or repealed.

Take Action! Before it is too late!

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REMEMBER THIS,TEXANS:

Feds Have Built Only 32 Miles of 700 Mile Double-Border Fence Originally Mandated by Congress

“One reason DHS has been able to do this is an amendment that Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R.-Texas) slipped into an omnibus appropriations bill that Congress passed on December 18, 2007. Hutchison’s amendment put a loophole in the fence law that allowed the secretary of Homeland Security not to build the fence Congress had mandated the year before.”
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/43422


27 posted on 09/26/2009 3:13:22 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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