Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

(Feinstein Favors) Fish Vs. Farmers
Investor's Business Daily ^ | Sept. 25, 2009 | Editorial

Posted on 09/26/2009 3:04:40 PM PDT by raptor22

Environmentalism: Sen. Dianne Feinstein votes to deny water to California's drought-stricken San Joaquin Valley. Farmers, families and food are being held hostage to an endangered fish called the delta smelt. (snip) The Senate rejected the amendment by a largely party-line 61-36 margin, with Feinstein opposing the restoration of water deliveries to farmers.

The California senator claimed she was blindsided by the amendment to the bill she was managing in the Senate, bizarrely comparing the move to a "Pearl Harbor."

"No one from California has called, written or indicated they wanted this on the calendar," Feinstein protested.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: 111th; agriculture; bho44; cah20; california; centralvalley; congress; cvwatercisis; deltasmelt; demint; democrats; dianefeinstein; drought; endangeredspecies; endangeredspecisact; environazis; environment; environmentalism; environmentalists; environuts; esa; farmers; farmland; farms; feinstein; feinsteinfish; fish; fishandwildlife; fishvsfarmers; goldenstate; hannity; jimdement; joblosses; jobs; junkscience; longfinsmelt; obama; propertyrights; sacremento; salmon; sanjoaquinvalley; schwarzenegger; senate; smelt; species; standatklamathfalls; unemployment; waronthewest; water; waterrights
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-91 next last

1 posted on 09/26/2009 3:04:41 PM PDT by raptor22
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: raptor22

More proof that an IQ test should be required for all public office holders.


2 posted on 09/26/2009 3:05:39 PM PDT by kromike
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raptor22

Not to worry, she will be easily re-elected, and the smelt will be represented in the senate.


3 posted on 09/26/2009 3:06:44 PM PDT by chris37
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: chris37

Can someone photoshop her head onto a smelt?


4 posted on 09/26/2009 3:08:23 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: raptor22

if Arnold had a spine he would tell the feds where to get off and turn the water on....


5 posted on 09/26/2009 3:08:54 PM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raptor22
Simple solution eliminate the fish!
6 posted on 09/26/2009 3:09:15 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kromike
US Fish & Wildlife did the dirty deed. It p!sses me off to no end that unelected, unaccountable radical leftist bureaucrats can issue regulations with the force of law. Our congress-clowns are only too happy to have dirtbag environmentalists issue regs that would otherwise get themselves tossed from office or worse.

The states in 1789 granted all enumerated legislative powers to Congress, not to earth worshipers.

7 posted on 09/26/2009 3:17:16 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Islam is a barbaric social and political system in religious drag.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: raptor22

The central valley is mainly RED voters... What would you expect.


8 posted on 09/26/2009 3:17:52 PM PDT by Bob Eimiller (appeasement "it's the idea that if you feed the alligator he will eat you last." Winston Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Heh, that’s a great idea, but I can’t, because I am not experienced with photoshop. I think it would be an exceedingly difficult task, however, considering that proportionally the smelt head is so much larger than the boxer head.


9 posted on 09/26/2009 3:22:48 PM PDT by chris37
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: raptor22

Seriously, Californians need to vote this bitch out of office.


10 posted on 09/26/2009 3:28:19 PM PDT by Steelfish
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raptor22

we know who she represents and it ain’t humans.


11 posted on 09/26/2009 3:34:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raptor22
I don't understand it. It seems to me that this is a moment that takes politics beyond protest.

It's life or death for these people if they don't take direct action.

12 posted on 09/26/2009 3:35:50 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #13 Removed by Moderator

To: chris37

” the smelt head is so much larger than the boxer head.”

Yeah. I guess you’d have to zoom in!


14 posted on 09/26/2009 3:43:17 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

Problem: Delta Smelt

Solution: Here

15 posted on 09/26/2009 3:43:52 PM PDT by KarinG1 (Who am I, and what have I done with myself?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Viking2002
Feinstein and Piglousy - they're nothing more than physical manifestations of the self-serving genetic defectives who perpetually send them to Capitol Hill

Pretty darn close to T-shirt material there, mate.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

16 posted on 09/26/2009 3:46:23 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: raptor22

its more like junk science over farmers....


17 posted on 09/26/2009 3:48:50 PM PDT by dalebert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raptor22; All
"Come with us now, to those thrilling days of yesteryear..."

KlamathBasinCrisis

To find all articles tagged or indexed using KlamathBasinCrisis, click below:
  click here >>> KlamathBasinCrisis <<< click here  
(To view all FR Bump Lists, click here)

18 posted on 09/26/2009 3:50:31 PM PDT by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raptor22

I personally think this is Obama’s Katrina, how do he stand there and do nothing.

Here’s a playlist of 18 videos from various voices, stunning imo.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=961C90DFE5BF7AD2

#16 is something - shutting off water to farmers = domestic terrorism, think about it.


19 posted on 09/26/2009 3:52:14 PM PDT by Sparky1776
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sparky1776

“how does he”


20 posted on 09/26/2009 3:52:47 PM PDT by Sparky1776
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: The Comedian
In a just - or even marginally astute - world, it wouldn't need to be on a T-shirt.


21 posted on 09/26/2009 4:07:54 PM PDT by Viking2002
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: backhoe
KlamathBasinCrisis

What I thought of when I heard of this issue...as if it was a dry run..

22 posted on 09/26/2009 4:12:51 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
deltasteinfish
23 posted on 09/26/2009 4:34:52 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Sparky1776
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NTA4OWRmZTM3MmQwNzJlZWMyMDc4MTY1ZGE5NWMzODM=

I found this statement in the 4th paragraph of this VDH article.

Professor Chu, Obama’s energy secretary, summed up the sense of academic disdain that permeates this administration with his recent sniffing about the childish polloi: “The American people . . . just like your teenage kids, aren’t acting in a way that they should act.” Earlier, remember, Dr. Chu had scoffed from his perch that California farms were environmentally unsound and would soon disappear altogether, “We’re looking at a scenario where there’s no more agriculture in California.”

I believe there is some reason that the Obama Administration and his Czars have a hidden purpose in cutting off the water. They want to destroy California agriculture.

24 posted on 09/26/2009 4:36:17 PM PDT by sportutegrl (If liberals could do math, they would be conservatives.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: raptor22
I really dislike Sen.(oritas) Feinstein and Boxer.

But not one commenter noted the bias in the article. The 'poor' farmers are big agribusiness that took a semi-desert and applied water to it many decades ago. They saw the shortage coming and connived an underground reservoir away from the state and filled it up with 'excess' water in flush years and sold it back to the state at huge profit in shortage years, and kept the massive dividends for themselves. Before the 'farmers' came you could kayak from San Francisco to Yosemite without a single portage. Salmon and sardines was a multi-million dollar industry, as was recreational fishing. Meanwhile the 'farmers' used aerial irrigation because it was cheaper than drip, and brought in illegal aliens to work their corporate fields. And they bred like rabbits and smuggled their families in to join them, and drank water, took showers, washed their cars, ...

So over the years the population increased just only slightly slower than the stupidity and greed of the legislators. The state set up their own standards for the sustainability of the Delta, and after years of litigation and demonstrated failure of the state's ability to balance the needs of people with its stewardship of resources for all, (including Mother Nature), a federal judge found the basis of the standards laughable and shut off the pumps.

This is the third year that salmon fishing has been closed to most of the west coast, and we are expecting yet another year to come. The prime game fish are all but gone. What remains, symbolically enough, are the bottom feeders. Of course they can't be eaten because of all the heavy metals deposited in S.F. Bay over the decades.

So before you make up your mind, read a book like The Cadillac Desert. Otherwise you become a stooge of big business, and all you are to them is a target for your wallet.

25 posted on 09/26/2009 4:39:32 PM PDT by RideForever
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nateman

BWAAAAAAA! Thanks!


26 posted on 09/26/2009 4:41:10 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: RideForever

****The ‘poor’ farmers are big agribusiness that took a semi-desert and applied water to it many decades ago.****

Yea, that was like for growing food and stuff. Kinda kept a lot of people alive ya know.

****They saw the shortage coming and connived an underground reservoir away from the state and filled it up with ‘excess’ water in flush years and sold it back to the state at huge profit in shortage years, and kept the massive dividends for themselves****

Yea, big farmers have some mighty big crystal balls...

****Before the ‘farmers’ came you could kayak from San Francisco to Yosemite without a single portage. Salmon and sardines was a multi-million dollar industry, as was recreational fishing****

Six of one a thousand of the other eh...There has been much more food come out of the valley than would have ever come from the fish.

****Meanwhile the ‘farmers’ used aerial irrigation because it was cheaper than drip****

No, they started with aerial because that’s all they had back then and saw no need to switch over the vast expanse to a tech that is much more suited to small areas and indoor growing.

****and brought in illegal aliens to work their corporate fields. And they bred like rabbits and smuggled their families in to join them, and drank water, took showers, washed their cars****

Most all of the workers had and still have visas. The farmer is not required to ship them home when the season is over, they are supposed to do that themselves. But I guess you leftists are now trying to tell us that you agree that there are too many illegals here eh? ya right...

****The state set up their own standards for the sustainability of the Delta, and after years of litigation and demonstrated failure of the state’s ability to balance the needs of people with its stewardship of resources for all, (including Mother Nature), a federal judge found the basis of the standards laughable and shut off the pumps.****

Which is a violation of states rights and should be ignored by the state.

****This is the third year that salmon fishing has been closed to most of the west coast, and we are expecting yet another year to come. The prime game fish are all but gone****

There are many reasons for the decline of the fish populations, one being that the feds won’t let the states remove sea lions from the fish ladders as they kill them and take a bite or two from the soft bellies and discard the rest.


27 posted on 09/26/2009 5:09:21 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Bureaucratic healthcare is bad medicine.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: RideForever

Wow, very interesting. Thanks for the post. I too remember when the fishing was fantastic from the Farrallons to the Bay, on up the Delta and throughout the many trout rivers, and now all that’s gone.


28 posted on 09/26/2009 5:13:29 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: ResponseAbility
No, they started with aerial because that’s all they had back then and saw no need to switch over the vast expanse to a tech that is much more suited to small areas and indoor growing.

Tell that to Israel.

Which is a violation of states rights and should be ignored by the state.

The operative concept is "the basis of the standards," not States rights.

Most all of the workers had and still have visas. ... ya right...

Visas? In the Central Valley? Most? Ya right...

There are many reasons for the decline of the fish populations, one being that the feds won’t let the states remove sea lions from the fish ladders as they kill them and take a bite or two from the soft bellies and discard the rest.

Sea lions are one of the least important threats when the fish are exposed to massive yearly artificial decreases in the actual amount of water they have to swim in.

29 posted on 09/26/2009 5:20:52 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: raptor22

Lowering the standard of living for working citizens is the main goal of Democrats in power.


30 posted on 09/26/2009 5:21:52 PM PDT by abclily
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: abclily

Republicans have mostly went along with it also.


31 posted on 09/26/2009 5:23:20 PM PDT by chasio649 ( Palin 2012...'nuff said!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: raptor22
Here I am, old and overweight, sitting at my computer—so
I have NO credibility—but why the heck don't all the farmers—some of the farmers—ONE of the farmers just go out and turn on the darn spigots?? Time to take back the power—or at least someone try to make that physical statement. What would they do to the person? persons? group?
But—as I said—easy for me to say!
32 posted on 09/26/2009 5:26:52 PM PDT by fatfertile
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: raptor22

I can’t believe the IBD doesn’t get it so I will spell it out.

Step 1. Cut off water and drive people in to foreclosure.
Step 2. Friends and democrat cronies buy up the land.
Step 3. Turn the water back on.

Any questions?


33 posted on 09/26/2009 5:28:33 PM PDT by stockpirate ("I came NOT to bring peace but a sword." - Jesus Christ)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: chasio649

Yes, it looks like the Republican politicians are too corrupt to stand up for the folks.


34 posted on 09/26/2009 5:30:19 PM PDT by abclily
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Talisker

****Tell that to Israel.****

They have loose sandy soil that is perfect for drip hydro and that’s why it works so well for them.

****The operative concept is “the basis of the standards,” not States rights****

Thus the continual march to tyranny by the Feds.

****Visas? In the Central Valley? Most? Ya right****

So are illegals a bad thing then?

****Sea lions are one of the least important threats when the fish are exposed to massive yearly artificial decreases in the actual amount of water they have to swim in.****

Drama queen much? So what if there is a trade off.


35 posted on 09/26/2009 5:33:14 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Bureaucratic healthcare is bad medicine.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: stockpirate

Step 4. Give the land to welfare people - sort of like they did in some African countries where folks are now starving, because they don’t know how to farm.


36 posted on 09/26/2009 5:34:13 PM PDT by abclily
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: ResponseAbility
They have loose sandy soil that is perfect for drip hydro and that’s why it works so well for them.

WTH are you talking about? You think CA soil isn't ploughed? Drip irrigation goes straight to the roots, it doesn't need "sandy soil."

So are illegals a bad thing then?

The answer to your question is in the definition of the word "illegal."

Drama queen much? So what if there is a trade off

Criticising massively inefficient irrigation in a drought state, millions of criminal illegals, and millions of dead coastal, bay, delta and river fish is being a "drama queen"? LOL - sounds like you ran out of answers.

37 posted on 09/26/2009 5:44:02 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: abclily

No these crooks are all about making themseleves very rich and the ruling class.

I fear there is only one way to stop this insanity.


38 posted on 09/26/2009 5:53:21 PM PDT by stockpirate ("I came NOT to bring peace but a sword." - Jesus Christ)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: RideForever

Leftists are anti-business. So conservatives feel the need to defend the actions of business even when it is demonstrably non-conservative.

If anything is conservative, surely it is “conserving” our natural resources and environment.

I have no idea whether the particular issue here has been rightly decided by the judge. I do know that kneejerk defense of any and all business activity is profoundly unconservative.

Just as capitalists will cheerfully sell the rope to hang them with to commies, they will also cheerfully destroy the commons we all have to live in, if they can make a buck by doing so.

Capitalism, like science, is amoral. It is merely the most efficient way of allocating resources based on the demand. It does not figure issues like right and wrong into its accounting. This works just fine, as long as we don’t expect the market to do something it is not suited for.


39 posted on 09/26/2009 5:56:46 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Talisker

****WTH are you talking about? You think CA soil isn’t ploughed? Drip irrigation goes straight to the roots, it doesn’t need “sandy soil.”****

You’ve never worked with drip irrigation have you? It is a pain to work with unless the soil is nice and loose. The solution also doesn’t flow well to reach all the roots unless the soil is well draining.

****The answer to your question is in the definition of the word “illegal.”****

We’re all citizens of the world right?

****Criticising massively inefficient irrigation in a drought state, millions of criminal illegals, and millions of dead coastal, bay, delta and river fish is being a “drama queen”? LOL - sounds like you ran out of answers.****

Yep, drama queen.


40 posted on 09/26/2009 5:58:19 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Bureaucratic healthcare is bad medicine.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: backhoe; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie; tubebender

You would think that this many people out of work could put together a decent protest.....


41 posted on 09/26/2009 6:26:34 PM PDT by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: RideForever

“Otherwise you become a stooge of big business, and all you are to them is a target for your wallet.”

Please keep in mind gov’t is big bussiness. Feinstein gorged herself of taxpayers dollars on the California aquaduct. Her and her husband must find it more lucretive to champion environmental causes.


42 posted on 09/26/2009 6:47:13 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: ResponseAbility
It is a pain to work with unless the soil is nice and loose.

Which is why I mentioned the word "ploughed."

We’re all citizens of the world right?

No.

Yep, drama queen.

Yep, you ran out of answers.

43 posted on 09/26/2009 6:50:54 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Government is THE BIGGEST BUSINESS. When it gets too big, unlike BIG business that needs customers, Government tends to kill it’s customers. Let’s remember that.


44 posted on 09/26/2009 6:53:34 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Sherman Logan

“If anything is conservative, surely it is “conserving” our natural resources and environment.”

I agree with a lot of what you say BUT shutting down agriculture, a long time Califirnia mainstay, and importing food from all over the world ain’t exactly conservitive either.


45 posted on 09/26/2009 6:53:56 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: Talisker

****Which is why I mentioned the word “ploughed.”****

Which is expensive and must be maintained throughout the growing season. It is not feasible.

****Yep, you ran out of answers****

You sure haven’t run out of rhetoric.


46 posted on 09/26/2009 6:54:51 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Bureaucratic healthcare is bad medicine.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: sportutegrl; forester; marsh2; Iconoclast2; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie; sasquatch; BOBTHENAILER
Don'tcha suppose, just like with the rest of Amurika, they're gonna redistribute the wealth from the water rich farmers to the Ceasar Chavez crowd? After all that's what they recently did in southern Africa, don'tcha know, 10-4???

They all said:"We shall overcome some day," right???

They're well into the process of:"Bring it all down, man!" Sad how you can tear down a beautiful building, or even a nation in such a short time that took centuries to build into the marvel of earth!!!

47 posted on 09/26/2009 6:55:42 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Homeland Defense" begins at HOME!!! He who hesitates, is LOST!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Cheetahcat

“Simple solution eliminate the fish!”

I’m sure if it was an inconvenience to her, they’d all be dead.


48 posted on 09/26/2009 6:59:42 PM PDT by PLMerite (Speak Truth to Stupid.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I agree. Getting unbiased information on the issue is very difficult.

But it doesn’t take a great deal of information to figure out certain things.

Building (and rebuilding) a major city (New Orleans) below sea level is a bad idea.

Building major cities (Vegas and Phoenix) in deserts is a bad idea. Even LA is more or less a desert.

You might say people should be able to live wherever they want without government interference. I agree.

Yet these cities would not have been built or continue to be occupied or grow without massive provision of government subsidies.


49 posted on 09/26/2009 7:06:25 PM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: ResponseAbility
Which is expensive and must be maintained throughout the growing season. It is not feasible.

Yeah, all that re-plowing during the growing season requires highly trained tractor drivers, going in and out and around all those hundred of thousands of crops while they're growing... LOL

You sure haven’t run out of rhetoric.

Says the guy who relies on "drama queen" namecalling! LOL - rebuttal's a bitch, ain't it? What a pain to find someone who actually dares to disagree with you!

50 posted on 09/26/2009 7:06:59 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-91 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson