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Mark Levin's problem with Glenn Beck ( Beck is correct about mccain )
The Week ^ | September 25th

Posted on 09/26/2009 3:11:14 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

By saying that Republican John McCain would have been a worse president than Barack Obama............

(I have no use for the rest of this website's drivel. I just want the substance of what Beck said)

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KEYWORDS: beck; glennbeck; levin; marklevin; presidentmccain; sniff; sniff3; talkradio; teaparty; thegreatone
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It really, really........ *REALLY* pains me to say this, but Mark Levin is wrong. But in Mark's defense, I have little doubt he only heard some sound bite of Beck's words, and may not yet have heard the whole commentary about McCain/Obama. I hate it when the complicit progressive media catches one of us.

Anyways, In the *FULL* commentary, Beck has said that if McCain were president, the tea party movement wouldn't have happened or wouldn't have been as large.

McCain still would've delivered us to all these international treaties.

We'd have had cap and trade by now.

We'd have had amnesty by now.

There wouldn't be congressional republicans standing up to a president mccain like there is now with them standing up to president obama.

I have a feeling(again, defending levin) that Levin would agree with all of these sentiments.

A pregressive president like McCain would have destroyed the conservative movement for decades. Something that Obama simply cannot do.

And if you don't think McCain is a progressive? Just ask him who his hero is and he'll tell you that it's Teddy Roosevelt. A progressive. Know the heroes, know the individual.

1 posted on 09/26/2009 3:11:15 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
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Video: Glenn Beck explains McCain comment, boils fake frog

This may contain some of what I just talked about. The context of the mccain comment.

2 posted on 09/26/2009 3:11:55 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (MSM bias is dead. They are no longer "biased", they are complicit. The complicit progressive media)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The more I listen to Levin, the less I like him. His realm of the conservative movement is becoming irrelevant while Beck is literally knocking on Rush’s door in terms of importance. Let Levin and his boytoy Vannity repeat the same cliched phrases all day long, the rest of us have principals to uphold.


3 posted on 09/26/2009 3:16:56 PM PDT by RAO1125 (Revolution's are for Marxists. We need a Constitutional Restoration)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
John McCain

4 posted on 09/26/2009 3:18:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Beck is a bit dramatic. That said, he has uncovered some data that the sheepeople need see and understand in order to defend this country. Beck has tied together the players in the 0bama drama. I should think Mark and Rush would see this. I don’t hear them devoting as much time and energy to this. Rush covers the topic in the news of the day, Mark has his valuable insights too. There is more than enough dirt on this 0bama and his ilk for all the talking conservatives to discuss. They will do themselves ill to start attacking one another and that is what the RATS dream of happening.


5 posted on 09/26/2009 3:18:24 PM PDT by celtic gal (My Mob name is" Molly Maguire" per Hannity...we all need mob names !)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Levin is just jealous that Beck rises in popularity while he toils away on his lame radio show parroting safe GOP talking points in that obnoxious voice of his.


6 posted on 09/26/2009 3:18:42 PM PDT by GoldStandard
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

McCain is a progressive and would have been bad...but nobody in their right mind could build a cult of personality around John McCain. And the press would have hated him no matter what he did.

That’s the difference, and that’s why Obama is the worst possible person in the world we could have elected.

McCain would have been a loser, a liberal who could have been dealt with, and a simple one-term president. Obama is heading for dictator and Master of the Universe (in his dreams).


7 posted on 09/26/2009 3:19:25 PM PDT by livius
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To: RAO1125

Well, I’m sorry you feel that way. While I’ll agree with you most certainly that Beck is uncovering(or helping to at least) a lot of stuff that is highly inconvenient to liberals and the complicit progressive media, Levin not only has his place but he’s a great asset.

The cliched phrases do get old, I’ll agree with you on that one, Levin has indeed earned the title “the great one”.

Have you read any of his books? That’s probably Levin’s strong suit. Give ‘liberty and tyranny’ a try.


8 posted on 09/26/2009 3:20:35 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (MSM bias is dead. They are no longer "biased", they are complicit. The complicit progressive media)
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To: RAO1125

principals to uphold? are you supporting your local school staff?


9 posted on 09/26/2009 3:20:42 PM PDT by databoss (Keep The Change....)
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To: celtic gal

Glenn Beck is also doing what our gooberment skools have long failed to do. Teach American history.


10 posted on 09/26/2009 3:20:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: RAO1125
His realm of the conservative movement is becoming irrelevant while Beck is literally knocking on Rush’s door in terms of importance.

False on both counts. Beck is having a meteoric rise to the top of the food chain, but he's not quite there yet. He needs to have sustained long-term success first. (Would we be talking about Beck's rise if not for Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe? We should be talking about Breitbart's rise too.) It's also a little silly to say that Levin's "realm" is irrelevant: have you read Men in Black and/or Liberty and Tyranny at all?

Enough with the circular firing squad.
11 posted on 09/26/2009 3:21:03 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: celtic gal

Beck is very dramatic. But then so too is Levin. IMHO. In different ways of course.

But in both cases, I like it. It’s passion for beliefs.

And yes, attacking one another is exactly what the left is looking for.


12 posted on 09/26/2009 3:24:13 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing (MSM bias is dead. They are no longer "biased", they are complicit. The complicit progressive media)
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To: RAO1125

Okay. So...you think “the rest of you” are doing the heavy lifting in comparison to Mark Levin when it comes to upholding principals?

Really?


13 posted on 09/26/2009 3:24:59 PM PDT by rlmorel (You cannot reap the benefits right now of the planning ahead you didn't do in the past.)
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To: celtic gal

Mark is brilliant! He is fighting the good fight through his Landmark Legal Foundation. He is one of the good guys and I admire him greatly.

Glenn was handed a gift when Van Jones went after him. He put all the puzzle pieces together and continues tell all of us what it is about.

That being said, we need not to eat our own. Including our top guys.


14 posted on 09/26/2009 3:25:22 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Mark Levin's problem with Glenn Beck
Beck's increasing popularity and effectiveness?
15 posted on 09/26/2009 3:25:50 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I myself toned town my criticism of McQueeg once he won the nomination. That doesn’t make him any less of an ACORN/SEIU supporting Soros puppet.


16 posted on 09/26/2009 3:26:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Terpfen

Boy, no kidding with the circular firing squad. There are a lot of FR tin-horns on here that think they have it all figured out.


17 posted on 09/26/2009 3:26:12 PM PDT by rlmorel (You cannot reap the benefits right now of the planning ahead you didn't do in the past.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

And Mark always mentions Free Republic!!!


18 posted on 09/26/2009 3:26:58 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Like rock musician groups of the 1960's, 1970's and 1980's, I am not going to be forced into making some sort of preference choice of one over the other. This is not about brand loyalty. I am staying focused on the real enemy on the LEFT.

19 posted on 09/26/2009 3:27:06 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I first saw Mark Levin on Geraldo's old CNBC show, way back when - mid 90s. Mark was DEFENDING OJ. Haven't been able to warm up to him since then.
20 posted on 09/26/2009 3:28:08 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: Terpfen

>>Would we be talking about Beck’s rise if not for Hannah Giles and James O’Keefe? <<

Yes. The Van Jones Boycott was before the ACORN scandal.


21 posted on 09/26/2009 3:28:13 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
To tell the truth it's a "number of demons dancing on the head of a pin" argument. McCain didn't have much of a chance, and at least 50% of that was his fault. Would he have pressed for a nutty "stimulus package" or had a better chance of getting health care "reform" passed ...or clamored for tax reform? Or would he have found another cliff to pull Republicans off of? We'll never know. The present situation is bad enough, although I doubt that a McCain presidency would even have been a breath of fresh air at best.

The real question to be arguing about isn't even who is going to challenge Obama. It's what big legislative measures a new Republican majority ought to tirelessly campaign for until it get passed, even if that means doing nothing else until 2012.
22 posted on 09/26/2009 3:30:15 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: cripplecreek
I myself toned town my criticism of McQueeg once he won the nomination.

I did too. I stopped posting my list of links about McCain apart from a few exceptions. What was the point after that?

That doesn’t make him any less of an ACORN/SEIU supporting Soros puppet.

The top three candidates (0bama, Hillary & McCain) were all supported by Soros. So, who really won the election?

23 posted on 09/26/2009 3:31:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
One could argue that McCain came from behind to be the candidate for the Republican party only because he sang "Bomb Iran" to the tune of "Barbara Ann." The neocons saw someone who would continue American military adventures in the Middle East and threw all of their support behind him.


Although he was unquestionably a war hero, there was nothing about that him that made him qualified to be the president. That he had to bring on Sarah Palin as his running mate to get conservatives to vote for the ticket shows how weak a candidate he was.


24 posted on 09/26/2009 3:33:07 PM PDT by Storm Cloud
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To: netmilsmom
I have listened to Mark since the beginning, when WABC was his only station. I miss the calls from the late Marty. I consider myself a Levinista. I have no hard feelings for Beck. I don’t listen to his radio show and catch his TV show occasionally. Beck has his own niche and does his job well. Beck has been exposed for lifting content and his fans should accept it for being called on it.

The internecine fighting has to stop about water over the bridge. Levine was no great fan of McCain and has talked about it on many occasions. We must unite and go forward to take back this country.

25 posted on 09/26/2009 3:33:21 PM PDT by dancusa (Czars Czuck)
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To: RAO1125
"Beck is literally knocking on Rush’s door in terms of importance."

I have been around FR for a long time, under two different ID's, but I have NEVER read a more ignorant comment as this. You are now #1 on the list of DumbS&^% posters....

26 posted on 09/26/2009 3:34:39 PM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: RAO1125

...and a newbie making stupid comments...


27 posted on 09/26/2009 3:36:20 PM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: TigersEye

Glenn is great.
I voted for McCain but he was to liberal for me. And he was a great pal with Teddy K.


28 posted on 09/26/2009 3:37:08 PM PDT by mendedheart
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To: RAO1125

realm of conservatism - irrelevant.:..What does mean?


29 posted on 09/26/2009 3:37:48 PM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: TigersEye

Glenn is great.
I voted for McCain but he was to liberal for me. And he was a great pal with Teddy K.


30 posted on 09/26/2009 3:38:22 PM PDT by mendedheart
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Katie Couric must be very happy that she has been able to expose a small rift in the conservative movement. As for whether McCain would be a worse president than Obama, I would respectfully disagree with Beck. I cannot think of anyone more destructive to core, founding American principles(except possibly FDR), However, this is a moot point so it serves no purpose to debate this if we want to advance the cause of conservatism. Likewise with the discussion of whether the conservative cause would be better or worse without a less striking counterpoint to conservatism such as Obama is also moot.
What we need to do is take over the Republican party. Our movement must act as the king makers for Republican candidates. Third parties have always fared poorly in American politics. We all know the story of the Bull Moose party which gave us one of Beck’s favorite progressives: Woodrow Wilson. We all remember Ross Perot’s gift of 8 years of Clinton.
You can’t build a winning major league team without a viable farm system. An independent or third party President would not be be supported by any party. Let’s learn from the Democrats. After all the uber leftists took over the Democrat party, right?
Come to think of it, perhaps, George Soros will covertly fund a right of center third party to ensure the one party totalitarian Democrat state.


31 posted on 09/26/2009 3:38:54 PM PDT by grumpygresh
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Not to worry dear hearts, Mitt Romney will ride to the rescue!
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Just joking kids.


32 posted on 09/26/2009 3:39:17 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Beck is a grandstander who has successfully reported some revealing things.

He is still wrong.

While I don’t care much for McCain and only supported him because of Sarah Palin and the real fear of Obama, if he had won the presidency our Troops would not be sitting in Afghanistan wondering whether or not the CIC gives a damn about them!


33 posted on 09/26/2009 3:39:51 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
A pregressive president like McCain would have destroyed the conservative movement for decades. Something that Obama simply cannot do.

In fact as predicted, Obama has done nothing but strengthen the conservative movement! Although, believing this does not change the reality McCain would have made a better POTUS.

Your point however, is a valid beyond all doubt. Please I'm begging you, my fellow conservatives, no more rino's!!!!

34 posted on 09/26/2009 3:40:06 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Gravity Of The Situation...)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Sorry, but Beck is making the common mistake of confusing his own self interest with the county’s interest.

Had McCain won:

1. There would have been less of a stimulus budget buster.

2. There would be no attempt at government takeover of health insurance nor health care.

3. There would have been truther czar for Beck to go after.

4. There would be no doubt that the US would stay the course in Afghanistan.

5. There would have been no attempt at a cap and trade tax increase during a recession.

6. The public would not have been as concerned with the ACORN tapes as ACORN would have been further from influence. Still I think this one because of the child sex slavery would have caught the eye of the American public.

7. Though he voted against them, McCain would be arguing not to raise taxes during a recession by letting the Bush tax rate cuts expire.

8. The latest Supreme Court Justice would not be Sotomayor though I admit McCain might have disappointed us still.

9. The NEA would not be pressuring artist to do project supportive of the administration.

10. Eastern Europe would still be getting its missle defense.

11. Our foreign policywould be more than an apology.

BTW, the tea party protester etc would all still exist. The potential of the American public has always been there. The American public arises when needed. Had McCain been elected, the potential would have still been there. Beck might not have been as famous. You might not have met your latest boy/girl friend at a tea party protest, but that is individual interest not interst of the US.


35 posted on 09/26/2009 3:42:31 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I like Levin. Don’t dislike Beck, but don’t prefer his “schtick”. Regardless, they have more in common than they disagree on.

I think this is just a matter of The Week following thay age old strategy of setting conservatives against conservatives.

I voted for Palin ~ have no love for McCain ~ the Ancient One would have been a much better president than Obama.

We just had another had another “familycide” in my county; husband kills wife, 2 kids, dog and self. I’ll give the Dems another stripe for that.

When will the media start the count on Obamacides?


36 posted on 09/26/2009 3:46:39 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Live Free or Fight")
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I listen to Mark and I have only heard him opine about Hannity. So, it doesn’t surprise me that he finds fault with another conservative commentator. Sometimes it seems it just may be their ego that if suffering. I heard the the Glenn Beck response and I totally agree with it. Take a backseat Mark, Glenn is driving this bus.


37 posted on 09/26/2009 3:47:26 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Release Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich and let him and his family get on with their lives.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The left are going after Beck, not Levin. That speaks volumes about who they view as a threat.

They attack Rush too. And Palin. They could care less about McCain.


38 posted on 09/26/2009 3:47:38 PM PDT by tips up
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To: JLS

great post


39 posted on 09/26/2009 3:47:41 PM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: JLS
The public would not have been as concerned with the ACORN tapes as ACORN would have been further from influence. Still I think this one because of the child sex slavery would have caught the eye of the American public.

First of all, regarding Afghanistan during the campaign McCain OPPOSED sending in more troops. In this respect, he was more of a peacenik than Obama. What makes you think that McCain would now flip flop on that issue?

Second, there would have been no ACORN tapes if McCain was in office. He would (without controvery) have continued the Bush policy of giving tax money to that group. Would Republicans object or fund investigations (even private ones)? Probably not the Republicans who never cared about ACORN when Bush was handing them our money!

40 posted on 09/26/2009 3:48:03 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: RAO1125

Levin has always been my least favorite conservative commentator. The guy is just simply not a deep thinker. His radio show consists of a bunch of ad hominem attacks and a strict ideology. He’s not a guy like Limbaugh or Savage who can win you over with solid arguments and oratorial genius. Nor a guy who digs like Beck does.

Levin frankly bores me. Our local talk radio station replaced Savage with this dope, only to hear him say “You big dope!” about a dozen times an hour. Not impressed.


41 posted on 09/26/2009 3:49:15 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Terpfen

Both Beck and Levin are priceless.If there was a radio station that had Beck in the morning Rush at 12 to 3 and Levin right after that well that station would be unbeatable.I sleep during hannity.These three guys are tops as far as I am concerned.


42 posted on 09/26/2009 3:49:21 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Levin should focus on the real problems-not Glenn Beck. Conservatives/libertarians should stop analyzing other conservatives/libertarians.


43 posted on 09/26/2009 3:49:32 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: mendedheart
I like Glenn Beck and Mark Levin. This little feud is only increasing viewers and listeners for both of them. Think of all the liberals exposing themselves to Levin's rational thinking hoping to hear him say something mean about Beck? Or listening to Glenn expose the WH hoping to hear him respond to Levin.

Makes me smile to think about it. ;-)

44 posted on 09/26/2009 3:50:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: berdie

later


45 posted on 09/26/2009 3:52:28 PM PDT by berdie (Hey, Bill Mahr...That's Mrs. Cracker to you.)
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To: RAO1125; holdonnow
Yep, Over one million books sold on the constitution and the man is irrelevant. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. You're new around these parts, aren't ya, bunky? Soooooooo, I guess holding up conservative principles is cliche? So I guess have a scholarly work that has overnight become a classic conservative work is cliche'. Soooooooo, How many high school principals do you hold up? You must be an NEA member. Beck is a wonderfully entertaining man, but a stalwart of conservativism, ah, oh not so much. A scholarly researcher with original ideas? also a big fat no. He'd go a long way if he was persistent in atributing his statements to their original owners. His arrogance his breathtaking. "Follow me"? Follow a self described alchoholic rodeo clown? Sniff, sniff, sniff. I think not. Again, he's a talented funny guy and I can enjoy his show, however, he needs to be careful about quoting from the people he's read without noting to the viewer or listener that the thought came directly from X. Very careful.
46 posted on 09/26/2009 3:53:11 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Go here for FR Nat'l Convention and Tea Party Video http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com)
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To: JLS

Excellent points, JLS. I am no great McCain fan. I voted for Fred Thompson in the primary.


47 posted on 09/26/2009 3:54:51 PM PDT by dancusa (Czars Czuck)
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To: celtic gal

I haven’t heard Rush attack Beck. Have you?

Don’t fall for this feeble leftist attempt to divide us. They’re desperate. Don’t give them an advantage.

As far as Levin is concerned, I didn’t listen to him before, but if he’s going to attack Beck. a fellow conservative and a damned effective one, I sure as hell won’t bother to listen to him now. His loss. Not mine.


48 posted on 09/26/2009 3:54:51 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: celtic gal

They do see it. They see it on all the websites who’s work Glenn is quoting before Glenn talks about it. Beck gets his research from all those who have all ready done it for him.


49 posted on 09/26/2009 3:54:54 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Go here for FR Nat'l Convention and Tea Party Video http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com)
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To: Captain Kirk

Let’s see:

1. The Generals are now asking for more troops. I think while he has a stuborn streak, he would go along with what the commanders of the troops want. I know this much, I trust McCain more to make military decisions than Obama. How about you?

2. You may have missed this but the ACORN tapes were made by private citizen journalist. So you figure that had McCain won Ms. Giles would not have gone jogging past the ACORN office or she would have beent thinking about McCain and not thought I wonder what is going on in there? These tapes embarrass Dim and GOP members of Congress into defunding them. It takes Dims to defund them whether or not McCain is president.


50 posted on 09/26/2009 3:54:58 PM PDT by JLS
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