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Secret footage specifies chaos minutes after the Oklahoma City bombing
Daily Oklahoman ^ | September 27, 2009 | Nolan Clay

Posted on 09/27/2009 8:36:46 AM PDT by Never on my watch

The FBI has released long-secret security tapes that give new glimpses into the chaos during the minutes after the Oklahoma City bombing.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: bombing; fbi; murrah; okc; okcbombing; okcitybombing; videotape
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Did search on this but did not see it posted. Lost 2 friends in the explosion. Never felt the whole story has been told yet.
1 posted on 09/27/2009 8:36:47 AM PDT by Never on my watch
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It certainly doesn’t help that they’ve kept security tapes secret.

A couple years back I caught a single paragraph in our local fishwrap that the FBI admitted to storing “practice” missiles in the building. The story explained that they were unarmed but the propellant was explosive.


2 posted on 09/27/2009 8:41:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Never on my watch

Did it show the arab looking fella leaving the area? Oh yea there was only timothy mcveigh.. My bad I forgot!


3 posted on 09/27/2009 8:41:55 AM PDT by crazydad
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I have some vivid memories of that day. I was six miles away and felt the blast as if I was hit by a linebacker.

I turned the police scanner on and listened to emergency traffic as well as the TV coverage. I clearly heard a BOLO for a brown silverado pickup truck with three middle-eastern looking men speeding north on I-35. I heard at least one mention of it on TV.

I would really like to hear the 9-11 tapes of that day. I do not know if they have been released.

4 posted on 09/27/2009 8:49:45 AM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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To: Never on my watch

Any sign of the “six swarthy men of Middle Eastern extraction in running suits fleeing the scene...” that ABC News reported on that morning?


5 posted on 09/27/2009 8:50:23 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (THIS SPACE FOR RENT! cheap!)
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To: crazydad

The left always tries to portray us as not believing McVeigh did it but that’s a typical leftist tactic. They attack the fantasy that they create rather than confronting the real issue.

There’s no realistic doubt that McVeigh did it but there is plenty of doubt that he and Nichols were on their own. I don’t believe they had the brain power between them.


6 posted on 09/27/2009 8:50:24 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek

That is true.. There was money behind these two.. And who supplied the money... Just like flight 800 the Toon was to preocupied with riding Reagans economy and playing with cigars to do any thing about terrorism.. Another Thanks Bill, just like 9/11!


7 posted on 09/27/2009 8:53:32 AM PDT by crazydad
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To: Never on my watch

You can thank Jamie Gorelick for that.


8 posted on 09/27/2009 8:59:08 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: crazydad; Never on my watch

For those who may not remember: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1127530/posts


9 posted on 09/27/2009 8:59:39 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Brave amateurs....they do their part.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
That's true, they did say they were wearing jogging suits (blue, I think).

I just watched the tapes that were released. They are third or 4th generation copies - crappy quality - that show people in panic and running. There were a hell of a lot more cameras than that. And there were cameras that would have caught the truck driving into the city and approaching the Murrah building. The Feds have only released one bank camera that shows a blur of the truck driving past.

Why the delay in releasing these innocuous tapes? Why is there a hesitancy to release ALL captured video?

10 posted on 09/27/2009 9:00:57 AM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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To: Never on my watch

http://www.physics911.ca/Partin:_Bomb_Damage_Analysis_of_Alfred_P._Murrah_Federal_Building


11 posted on 09/27/2009 9:01:52 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Sacajaweau
re: You can thank Jamie Gorelick for that

There's a name that will live in infamy! It's a mystery to me how she could cause all the problems she has and not be called to task for it. Putting her on the 911 Commission was absolutely ridiculous. Talk about the fox guarding the hen house.

She is one of the most detestable persons I can think of offhand.

12 posted on 09/27/2009 9:25:30 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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**That’s true, they did say they were wearing jogging suits (blue, I think).***

Yes, “...wearing blue jogging suits...”.


13 posted on 09/27/2009 9:28:07 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (THIS SPACE FOR RENT! cheap!)
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The FBI and the Clinton Administration covered this attack up quickly. They did not want anyone to know anything about this attack. The question is what was so different about this particular attack? Why were we attacked? There is much more to the story than has ever been released, and the videos they’ve released are useless.


14 posted on 09/27/2009 9:28:48 AM PDT by Paige ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing," Edmund Burke)
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I wonder what kind of chaos the folks at the sight of the waco attack 2 years prior felt after they were unlawfully attacked?

Lets not forget the OKC bombing was the direct result of the governments aggression and not an isolated event by a couple (or more) people, unconnected to other events.


15 posted on 09/27/2009 9:36:03 AM PDT by Dayman (My 1919a4 is named Charlotte. When I light her up she has the voice of an angel.)
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To: cripplecreek

And how about Nichols direct connections with the philippine home of the Islamic Bojinka plot when they were going to blow up the 10 airliners in a day?

He had undisputed connections that were extremely close to the islamic plotters there. Can’t remember off the top of my head, but those connections were there.

The Clintons just decided it was Rush Limbaugh, gun owners, and republicans,, nothing else will be considered. It was their golden chance to remove their guilt of Waco. Furthermore, they expected to be bombed, but they thought it would be a backpack, etc,,,I think they just got caught with their pants down and covered it up.


16 posted on 09/27/2009 9:38:23 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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I was six miles away and felt the blast as if I was hit by a linebacker.

Wow, that's incredible. Were you outside? I'm curious about the actual physical experience six miles out. What must you have thought the instant it happened?
17 posted on 09/27/2009 9:44:58 AM PDT by Since 2009-07-21
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They won’t releases the tapes because it will show they were looking around the building earlier, in bushes, etc,, for a bomb. They had no idea a truck bomb of that magnitude was coming.

Really, it’s kind of sad that they do a coverup. I for one would accept it and understand it if they just were honest and said the intel had lead them to expect a pipe bomb, or a letter bomb, etc. If law enforcement would simply be brutally honest, they would get far more respect. I know they will then be sued, but winning and keeping the respect of the community is worth paying that price.


18 posted on 09/27/2009 9:45:21 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Never on my watch
The video is non-descriptive of chaos. People come out of the building and gather. Some go in and out of the group. A couple of them walk back and forth. Tight shot of just that small group. No sound.

So what are they talki9ng about? One interpretation: Someone has taken charge and is giving instructions to others as to what to do. Just as good an interpretation as "chaos."

So what! What am I missing?

19 posted on 09/27/2009 9:45:28 AM PDT by nufsed
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To: Dayman

Waco did not justify the murder of innocents that day. It justified revolt at the ballot box. Things like Waco do ultimately lead you into an actual insurrection if the ballot box fails, but they never justify murder of innocents.

Read McVeighs book, *he* said he went there, saw the day care center, and knew it would be full, he saw other normal people were going in to do normal business at a federal office. He said this was part of his plan to murder them.


20 posted on 09/27/2009 9:50:46 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Since 2009-07-21

I was actually inside my house. But I sonic booms from aircraft feel similar depending how close you are.

Upon reflection, the linebacker analogy was an exageration. A shockwave from a close sonic boom would be better. But the differece was that a shockwave seems to go BOoooommm, this felt like BOOM then silence.

I just remember saying “WHAT THE F^<K WAS THAT!” Then I rmembered that my mother was visiting.


21 posted on 09/27/2009 9:57:55 AM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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To: Dayman

McVeigh and Nichols were no better than a VC murdering a teacher in Hue, or a suicide bomber in Iraq hitting a wedding, or a palestinian walking into an Israeli pizza joint.

Their “liberty” talk, and talk of the constitution, was an excuse. Wonder what Jefferson, Madison, Washington, or Franklin would say about cowards murdering a bunch of preschoolers, old people, and secretaries in their name?


22 posted on 09/27/2009 9:58:26 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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I believe you on that,,, i live in a town where the military and DOE sometimes do test shots. With the right humidity, etc,,, you can be 6 or 7 miles away and get a good shock. They announce it on the news the day before for that very reason, so as not to alarm people.


23 posted on 09/27/2009 10:01:19 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t believe they had the brain power between them.

Many eyewitnesses have identified Hussain Hashem Al Hussaini as seen with McVeigh. As for Al-Hussaini, after leaving Oklahoma City, he went on to work at Boston's Logan International Airport, the point of origin for several for the 9/11 hijackers, including Mohammad Atta.

One more thing. That motel where McVeigh, Nichols and Al-Hussaini were seen together was later visited (pre-9/11) by Atta, Zacharias Moussaouy and Marwan Al-Shehi.

24 posted on 09/27/2009 10:02:41 AM PDT by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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Letter from Gen. Partin to U.S. Sen. Trent Lott

Benton K. Partin Brigadier Gen. USAF (Ret.) 8908 Captains Row Alexandria, Virginia 22308 703-780-7652 July 30, 1995 Sen. Trent Lott United States Senate 487 Senate Russell Office Building Washington, DC 205102403

Dear Sen. Lott:

The attached report contains conclusive proof that the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, was not caused solely by the truck bomb. Evidence shows that the massive destruction was primarily the result of four demolition charges placed at critical structural points at the third floor level.

Weapons Experience: I do not offer such an analytical conclusion lightly. I have spent 25 years in research, design, development, test and management of weapons development. This included: handson work at the Ballistic Research Laboratories; Commander of the Air Force Armament Technology Laboratory, and ultimately management responsibility for almost every nonnuclear weapon device in the Air Force (at the Air Force System command, Air Staff and the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD) levels). I was also the first chairman of the OSD joint service Air Munitions Requirements and Development Committee. (A more detailed resume appears at Tab 1.)

Observations in Oklahoma City: To verify earlier analysis, I visited Oklahoma City during the last week of June. There I had the opportunity to view hundreds of photographs taken throughout the cleanup operation as the layers of debris were cleared away. The photos present irrefutable evidence that at least four demolition charges were set off at four critical columns of the reinforced concrete structure at the floor level of the third floor.

Conclusion: Based on my experience in weapons development and bomb damage analysis, and on my review of all evidence available, I can say, with a high level of confidence, that the damage pattern on the reinforced concrete superstructure could not possibly have been attained from the single truck bomb. The total incompatibility of this pattern of destruction with a single truck bomb lies in the simple, incontrovertible fact that some of the columns collapsed that should not have collapsed if the damage were caused solely by a truck bomb, and, conversely, some of the columns were left standing that should have collapsed if the damage had been caused solely by the truck bomb.

It is my hope and request that, as a Member of Congress, you will support a Congressional investigation to determine the true initiators of this bombing, which could not have occurred the way in which it has been portrayed as having happened. Further, it is requested that you defer action and reserve judgment on socalled antiterrorism legislation that has serious civil liberties implications, and which would not be passed except for the Oklahoma City bombing until the causes of the Oklahoma City disaster are determined by independent investigators.

Both the Federal Building in Oklahoma and the Trade Center in New York (See New York Times, October 28, 1993, p. A1) show evidence of a counterterrorism sting gone wrong.

No government law enforcement agency should be permitted to demolish, smash and bury evidence of a counterterrorism sting operation, sabotage or terrorist attack without a thorough examination by an independent, technically competent agency.

If an aircraft crashed because of a bomb, or a counterterrorism sting or an FAA Controller error, the FAA would not be permitted to gather and bury the evidence. The National Transportation Safety Board would have been called in to conduct an investigation and where possible every piece of debris would have been collected and arrayed to determine cause of failure.

To remove all ambiguity with respect to the use of supplementary demolition charges, the FBI should be required to release the high quality surveillance color TV camera tape of the Murrah building bombing on April 19, 1995.

It is my observation that the effort required to bomb the A. P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City pales in comparison with the effort to cover up evidence in Oklahoma and the media's withholding of vital information from the American people.

Sincerely yours,

Benton K. Partin Brigadier Gen. USAF (Ret.)

25 posted on 09/27/2009 10:05:15 AM PDT by houeto (Long Live the Republic)
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“McVeigh and Nichols were no better than a VC murdering a teacher in Hue, or a suicide bomber in Iraq hitting a wedding, or a Palestinian walking into an Israeli pizza joint.”

True. The bigoted liberal media, tried to marginalize the Right by classifying McVeigh and Nichols as “right wing extremists”

26 posted on 09/27/2009 10:06:15 AM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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I turned the police scanner on and listened to emergency traffic as well as the TV coverage. I clearly heard a BOLO for a brown silverado pickup truck with three middle-eastern looking men speeding north on I-35. I heard at least one mention of it on TV.

I heard that too ....

27 posted on 09/27/2009 10:13:58 AM PDT by dodger
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To: nufsed

“So what! What am I missing?”

Not much. See my post #10.


28 posted on 09/27/2009 10:14:56 AM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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To: cripplecreek

many have highlighted the need for more condoms and movies.


29 posted on 09/27/2009 10:25:26 AM PDT by skipper18
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To: Never on my watch
My BIL's Uncle was Mickey Maroney. The National HQ for the records for the Sons of the Confederate Veterans was in OKC across the street from the Murrah Bldg and were obliterated. Those records are now in Columbia, Tn.It was sad to see my BIL and sister on the front row of the services for those that lost their lives that day. It was a sad day for all of the US.
30 posted on 09/27/2009 10:29:18 AM PDT by vetvetdoug (FUBO....a fashion statement for Conservatives.)
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To: DesertRhino

and let’s not forget about that OKC was the site of many “islamic” conferences - read Stephen Emerson’s “American Jihad” for more on this. AND I worked at a large hospital in OKC where numerous middle easterners were brought over for workup for liver transplants. When the patients arrived, the usually had 3 or more “family members” with them who stayed near the hospital. This was in the early 1990’s prior to the bombing.


31 posted on 09/27/2009 10:37:15 AM PDT by Chickenhawk Warmonger (The Media Lied & Soldiers Died)
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To: Never on my watch

Very interesting. Thanks.


32 posted on 09/27/2009 10:39:55 AM PDT by Since 2009-07-21
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To: Never on my watch

There was lots of talk about two explosions, 2 seconds apart. Did you hear two booms?


33 posted on 09/27/2009 10:54:45 AM PDT by MrDem (And this is a loyal lifelong Democrat saying this...)
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To: MrDem

I did feel the second, it was muffled abit. Not nearly as loud - flet it as much as heard it. When they demolished the building, we were watching it on TV and several seconds after it fell, I had the same sensation.

I am not sure if that reinforces the ground wave theory or the secondary explosion theory.


34 posted on 09/27/2009 11:03:59 AM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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Jayna Davis has had the story nailed for years. A few years ago, Dave Schippers became a big advocate of hers. He got depos from about 14 of her witnesses. Yes, folks, there was an Iraqi connection to OKC.

http://www.jaynadavis.com/


35 posted on 09/27/2009 11:04:33 AM PDT by doug from upland (10+ million views of HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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Yeah, I remember when she was THE investigative reporter for the area. When she persued this, it effectively ended her journalism career on local news - IIRC.

KUDOS to her for not letting up.


36 posted on 09/27/2009 11:08:13 AM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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I don’t believe they had the brain power between them.

What is was so complicated about renting a truck, filling it with fertilizer and fuel, parking it in front of a building and setting it off?

90% of the farmers in the country could do that, and except for the part about doing it in secret, they could have it done by noon tomorrow.

37 posted on 09/27/2009 11:47:09 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: DesertRhino

I was watching the TV news reports the morning of the bombing.

Eyewitnesses stated that they saw men with FBI jackets searching the perimeters of the Murrah building with dogs BEFORE the bombing.

Another witness said he saw a bomb disposal truck from the Oklahoma City Police Department parked down the street from the Murrah building BEFORE the bombing.


38 posted on 09/27/2009 11:50:22 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The AFL-CIO and SEIU.....two domestic terrorist organizations doing Obama's dirty work for him.)
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To: Never on my watch

ping for later


39 posted on 09/27/2009 12:10:56 PM PDT by babygene
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What is was so complicated about renting a truck, filling it with fertilizer and fuel, parking it in front of a building and setting it off?

If that's all you think it involved then I'll be taking you off the suspect list.
40 posted on 09/27/2009 12:48:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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The left always tries to portray us as not believing McVeigh did it but that’s a typical leftist tactic. They attack the fantasy that they create rather than confronting the real issue.

There’s no realistic doubt that McVeigh did it but there is plenty of doubt that he and Nichols were on their own. I don’t believe they had the brain power between them.

Yep, they put up a straw-man and bravely knock it down. Takes real brain power to do that... I suspect it was a crisis Clinton didn't want to waste... he turned it political - acted like all Republicans were "in" on it. Didn't they try to pin some on Rush?

Funny how they did the exact opposite with the World Trade Center - 3,000 Americans die and it's ONLY the act of a few - all Muslims can not be indited. ( Which I agree with - not all Muslims were in on that - but a lot more agreed with the sentiment than Republicans with this mess - none as far as I can tell)

41 posted on 09/27/2009 1:08:48 PM PDT by GOPJ (UN mixing democracies & dictator's like mixing ice cream and shit-all of it stinks.(Steyn))
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On 9/11 a liberal woman I know told me that she thought the Michigan Militia did it. LOL


42 posted on 09/27/2009 1:12:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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"Trentadue began a personal inquiry into the bombing after his brother died at the Oklahoma City Federal Transfer Center in August 1995. He contends guards mistook his brother for a bombing suspect and killed his brother during an interrogation. The official cause of his brother’s death is listed as suicide."

Suicide DURING an interrogation???? The cops WATCHED a suicide of their prisoner????

43 posted on 09/27/2009 1:19:10 PM PDT by matthew fuller (BHO-Aks not what you can do for your country; Aks only what you can do for ME ME ME!)
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To: Paige

IMHO, the FBI had plants in with the terrorists.

They thought they had it under control. And they didn’t.

They didn’t want to take the blame. End of story.


44 posted on 09/27/2009 2:26:19 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: UCANSEE2
FOX has another article on this:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,556186,00.html

Interesting Quote: “”Four cameras in four different locations going blank at basically the same time on the morning of April 19, 1995. There ain't no such thing as a coincidence,” Trentadue said.”

AND

""The interesting thing is they spring back on after 9:02," he said. "The absence of footage from these crucial time intervals is evidence that there is something there that the FBI doesn't want anybody to see.""

45 posted on 09/27/2009 2:35:54 PM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

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46 posted on 09/27/2009 2:41:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Paige

Bush did too. When it was discovered there was more evidence they did not hold off on executing McVeigh. It was like they wanted to end the whole matter. Once he was dead, it was over.


47 posted on 09/27/2009 2:46:55 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: Never on my watch

Some say it was a failed FBI sting...


48 posted on 09/27/2009 3:41:16 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

I posted the same thing, almost simultaneously on the other thread.


49 posted on 09/27/2009 3:47:11 PM PDT by Never on my watch (The lunatics are in the White House - meet me on the dark side of the Moon.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

The same way 19 Arabs killed 3000 americans with boxcutters.


50 posted on 09/27/2009 3:51:57 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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