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More School: Obama would curtail summer vacation
Yahoo News ^ | September 27, 2009 | Libby Quaid, AP

Posted on 09/27/2009 10:56:41 AM PDT by Tidbit

WASHINGTON – Students beware: The summer vacation you just enjoyed could be sharply curtailed if President Barack Obama gets his way.

Obama says American kids spend too little time in school, putting them at a disadvantage with other students around the globe.

"Now, I know longer school days and school years are not wildly popular ideas," the president said earlier this year. "Not with Malia and Sasha, not in my family, and probably not in yours. But the challenges of a new century demand more time in the classroom."

The president, who has a sixth-grader and a third-grader, wants schools to add time to classes, to stay open late and to let kids in on weekends so they have a safe place to go.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; bhoeducation; eduation; obama; publicschools; summer; vacation

1 posted on 09/27/2009 10:56:42 AM PDT by Tidbit
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To: Tidbit

This should really make all those little kids worship Dear Leader.


2 posted on 09/27/2009 10:57:51 AM PDT by MrDem (And this is a loyal lifelong Democrat saying this...)
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To: Tidbit

summers off is to save on air conditioning and fight global warming. (/)Dumbo sure is ignorant.


3 posted on 09/27/2009 10:57:56 AM PDT by omega4179 (We must be the change.)
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To: Tidbit

No FedGov authority to do so.


4 posted on 09/27/2009 10:57:59 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

More school time=more indoctrination time.


5 posted on 09/27/2009 10:59:35 AM PDT by Radagast the Fool ("Mexico-Beirut with tacos!"--Dr. Zoidberg)
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To: Tidbit

Should be NO MORE SCHOOL. Nothing but a place of personel interests , brainwashing and propaganda


6 posted on 09/27/2009 10:59:47 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Teach your children about American History!)
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To: Tidbit

Obama hasn’t given this much thought at all. He’s simply mouthing the words his bosses tell him. Here is the voice of union painters ~ get the teachers out of the summertime painting racket ~ too many journeymen members are out of work and those teachers have good incomes from the schools.


7 posted on 09/27/2009 10:59:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Radagast the Fool
Hmm, hmm, hmm Barack Hussein Obama He said we must all lend a hand To make this Country strong again Hmm, hmm, hmm Barack Hussein Obama He said we must be fair today Equal work means equal pay Hmm, hmm, hmm Barack Hussein Obama He said we all must take a stand To make sure everyone gets a chance Hmm, hmm, hmm Barack Hussein Obama He said red, yellow, black, or white, All are equal in his sight Hmm, hmm, hmm Barack Hussein Obama Yes, hmm, hmm, hmm Barack Hussein Obama
8 posted on 09/27/2009 11:00:08 AM PDT by Crim
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To: Tidbit
More time for indoctrination and to sing songs to Dear Leader - Allah Hussein.
9 posted on 09/27/2009 11:00:37 AM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: Tidbit

The problem is not that there isn’t enough time in the classroom. It’s about how things are taught, the lack of reinforcement at home, and the lack of accountability for the ineffective teachers who have the teacher’s union to defend them.


10 posted on 09/27/2009 11:00:43 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: bvw
No FedGov authority to do so.

Hell, there's no FedGov authority to do half the $hit the government is doing now!

11 posted on 09/27/2009 11:01:38 AM PDT by USMA '71 ((Re-elect no one!))
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To: Tidbit
Two things amaze me about conservatives:

1) They consistently fail to realize that **conservatives** must stop “Waiting for Godot”. If were are going to save this nation we **must** get our nation's children into tuition-free PRIVATE conservative schools! We must do this NOW! We must do this ourselves! All those quotes from Lenin, Hitler, and Mao about educating the next generation are TRUE!!

2) I am amazed at how seriously clueless so many conservatives are about government schooling. We see comments on Free Republic daily from conservatives who foolishly believe that government schools would be “fixed” if only:

* The NEA were abolished
* The Department of Education were abolish
* Local control were re-instituted
* More parents volunteered in the PTA
* If conservatives controlled the school boards
* If evolution were eliminated
* We had the Pledge and prayer
* If government schools were only like they were in the early 1960s ( 50s) (40s) etc.

ad nauseam!

Government schools always have been and always will be socialism for parents who want something for FREE! Socialism can not be fixed!

ALL government schools from the very beginning in the mid-1800s are an object lesson for all children in socialism. All children learn ( just by attending) that the government can take money from their neighbor to pay for a service their parents want for free. Well?...If education can by taken from your neighbor's wallet, why not FDR's New Deal, retirement, disability, prescriptions, health care, free art and public radio, transportation, food, clothing, housing, and anything else the voting mob wants for free?

Government schools didn't make FDR's New Deal or Obamacare possible. Government schools made them INEVITABLE!!!!

12 posted on 09/27/2009 11:02:40 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Tidbit
My homeschooled children never spent more than 2 hours a day in formal study. The rest of the time they played and had outside activities.

Honestly...What are schools doing all day that can't be finished in 2 serious hours of study?

( We did homeschool Monday through Friday all year except for major holidays and my husband's 4 weeks of vacation.)

13 posted on 09/27/2009 11:03:25 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Tidbit

It’s not the quantity, it’s the quality.


14 posted on 09/27/2009 11:03:44 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Tidbit

Baby sitters for troublemakers.


15 posted on 09/27/2009 11:04:21 AM PDT by billhilly
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To: Tidbit

Another initative disguised in universal terms which is actually intended to help blacks. School means free breakfast and lunch. School means someone baby-sitting, especially important in the single mother headed house holds that make up the over whelming majority of black families these days.

No matter what Obama says, what he does always ends up mostly helping blacks, and being paid for by whites.


16 posted on 09/27/2009 11:05:04 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

Being a black, you can say that.


17 posted on 09/27/2009 11:07:18 AM PDT by billhilly
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To: Tidbit

I guess ZERO needs more time to indoctrinate our children.


18 posted on 09/27/2009 11:09:36 AM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: Tidbit

Several years ago a school in my county decided they wanted to do this. The parents said NO and that if the school board voted for it, they would pull their kids out. This was in a minority school district. By the time this was suggested, all the white kids had left for private schools, as well as the middle-class black kids. The school superintendant, whose idea this was, retired early.

It’s hard to get people to do something they really don’t want to do. The powers that be can use coercive methods, but it will be like pulling hens’ teeth with regard to real cooperation, and it will eventually fail, one way or another.


19 posted on 09/27/2009 11:18:38 AM PDT by goldi (')
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To: Tidbit

“to stay open late and to let kids in on weekends so they have a safe place to go.”

Maybe Bammy and his cohorts could work on the ‘safe’ part a bit harder.

Start by closing the border
Get the dope off the street
Put gangbangers away (Hellsbells, rent an island somewhere)

If you cannot get this stuff solved, going to school all year long won’t make a whit of difference. It will just formalize the “School is a welfare distribution point” that exists in too many areas now.


20 posted on 09/27/2009 11:30:29 AM PDT by ASOC (Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui)
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To: Tidbit

Obama wants more “indoctrination” time - lets sing the praises of dear leader...


21 posted on 09/27/2009 11:32:37 AM PDT by GOPJ (UN mixing democracies & dictator's like mixing ice cream and shit-all of it stinks.(Steyn))
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To: Tidbit

LOL, all the indoctrination that goes on, and this ass hat has decided to piss off the one group the Marxists had counted on for undying future support.

This guy is extremely stupid.


22 posted on 09/27/2009 11:38:48 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Ded Kennedy, Stealing from the middle class for nearly 40 years to end poverty.)
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To: Frantzie

BINGO!


23 posted on 09/27/2009 11:40:49 AM PDT by Islaminaction
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I’m going to be the poop in the punchbowl here-but yes, we are going to need to go to all year school, the sooner the better.

The Gnomestead has hosted some exchange students in the past. The kids, from Japan, Korea and Germany, all attended school year round and 4 out of 5 were light years ahead of their grade peers. Why we as a industrial country still cling stupidly to an agrarian school schedule speaks of an inertia we really can’t continue to follow.

Stop worrying about the indoctrination aspect and start worrying more about the indisputable facts regarding the rankings of American students. There are a lot of problems with the school system, this is only one of them, but it would be a start.


24 posted on 09/27/2009 11:41:02 AM PDT by Gnomad
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To: Tidbit
I suppose this means we will also have to pay the teachers a lot more because they have to work through their own summer vacation - even though most get paid on a regular basis throughout the year. Surely, nobody expects them to work these extra months without increased pay!

Mmmmmm! More dues for the teachers unions means more $$$ for the Liberal politicians!

25 posted on 09/27/2009 11:45:58 AM PDT by Gritty (Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Tidbit

Why do the President’s two daughters both have Russian names???

Ever met anyone who has two children, both with Russian names???

I haven’t.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?


26 posted on 09/27/2009 11:53:36 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: wintertime

By that logic I shouldn’t have to pay for the fire department because my house isn’t burning and I shouldn’t be paying for the police department because they’re not around when the bad guys are committing the B&E.........

Absurd? Yes, but no more so than your comment about not wanting to pay for that which you do not utilize.


28 posted on 09/27/2009 11:54:08 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Parents too stupid to know, they think names are African.


29 posted on 09/27/2009 11:59:55 AM PDT by lolhelp
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To: Gnomad

you’re a turd alright. my kids don’t want and don’t need to be told to be there longer than they already are. if parents compliment the schools by reinforcing the importance of education, the kids will be educated, even in bad schools. public school is more than half wasted time, either on stupid fluffy things or administrative gobbledy-gook. get good teachers, keep it all about the basics, and let them excel out of curiosity, i say.


30 posted on 09/27/2009 12:01:14 PM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: Gnomad
Stop worrying about the indoctrination aspect and start worrying more about the indisputable facts regarding the rankings of American students. There are a lot of problems with the school system, this is only one of them, but it would be a start.

More time in school solves nothing if they are teaching nonsense.

31 posted on 09/27/2009 12:02:26 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Gnomad
The kids, from Japan, Korea and Germany

Three countries that haven't had to waste school time on PC classes for their countries' heroes of the 20th Century.

Sarcasm aside, I lived in Germany for four years, and the kids were a wreck. Back then, 6-8 YO schoolkids were given a battery of tests to decide if they would go to college, or to trade school. These kids were getting ulcers over the stress put on them by parents.

Like other posters have aptly stated, focus on quality class time, instead of quantity.

Mmm, mmm, mm.

32 posted on 09/27/2009 12:03:13 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: Tidbit

Ohh, The NEA will love that. No more 2 month vacations!!


33 posted on 09/27/2009 12:12:04 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: USMA '71
Godspeed to all state forces who look to take back what was theirs and what is rightfully theirs. This is, I hope, the second Civil War. The phase that undoes the great damages the unclosed wounds of the reconstruction period caused. While I am a stalwart Unionist of the Civil War, I know from my earliest years that the South did have some major just cause in regards to states' rights. We all need re-discover and re-institute the proper structure of Federalism, and the proper structure of our "democracy" in America.

For we were never a true pure Democracy, and our Founders established governments that stayed clear of pure democracy.

What is our true natural form, G-d help us get back to it -- it is: A Republic, meaning one law binds all, and no special classes under the law.

A Representative Republic, meaning that delegated agency is vested in representative agents, who serve for fixed times.

A Chartered Representative Republic, meaning that those representative agents are bound by oath, law and custom to perform only the duties permitted and authorized to them in a written charter, and established rules within the bounds of that charter, where those rules are a matter of formally agreed upon regulation and established common law.

A Chartered Representative Hierarchical Republic, meaning that we have multiple levels of representatives. The Founders had it right, their model has been almost ruined by removing the keystone of hierarchy, for only that keystone prevents despotic dictatorial tyranny.

The first level of the hierarchy in the Founder's model was the household. Not the individual, but the household! That is, only those who owned land, were freemen, and over 21 could cast a vote. That means each vote representative household, not one person. They made a mistake by not allowing women to vote for a whole household, but that was their only mistake. Who could vote was determined by each state, the inference of "household" is based on the my recollection of how typical colonies/states of the founding era allowed the franchise.

The second level of the hierarchy was 30,000 citizens (excluding the disenfranchised, Indians, and counting full-slaves as 3/5th), normally and by custom aligned with county or established municipal boundaries. Each of these districts elected a representative to the US House. These representatives were far closer to the group on whose behalf they were agents than today.

The average size of a congressional district based on the Census 2000 apportionment population will be 646,952 , more than triple the average district size of 193,167 based on the 1900 census apportionment.
The average size of a household in the Founder's US is possible to determine because in those days the censuses were not so politicized nor were so many inhabitants desiring to remain unknown to authority. I saw a source for NY State that placed the household size at between 4.5 and 7.1 persons over the hundred years prior of independence. (http://books.google.com/books?id=oHnNKCxbOD0C&pg=PA120) Of course the US household size today is much smaller, the US census reports 2.6 in 2000.

In the US at the founding each Representative represented about 5200 households, 30,000 citizens. Today with the fixed 435 districts each represents over 600,000 citizens or over 23,000 households each.

That's simply too many households for a representative to be acting as the agent of -- and the ideal of agency is diluted over too many, and the representation is corrupted.

What is the fix? There are some to be considered but any should keep to the founder's ideal or representing a true cohesive entity and not some mob too big to ascribe anything but the coarsest or most faddish of common motives and desires.

Look to the founders' ideal of the Senate. Each Senator represents a cohesive and established entity -- a State!

34 posted on 09/27/2009 12:46:32 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Tidbit

This rule had better also apply to voting age college students.


35 posted on 09/27/2009 3:02:09 PM PDT by eaglestar
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To: Gabz
By that logic I shouldn’t have to pay for the fire department
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I don't know about your community, but in ours we have a very enthusiastic, highly trained, extremely well equipped, **volunteer** fire department. The community involvement is very enthusiastic and all funds are raised privately.

Maybe we should look to our community's example with fire protection with regard to schooling.

36 posted on 09/27/2009 3:51:42 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Gabz
Absurd? Yes, but no more so than your comment about not wanting to pay for that which you do not utilize.
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I did not say that, therefore, I can not defend a strawman of **your** creation.

Also...Are you a mind reader? How can you possibly know my motivations?

37 posted on 09/27/2009 3:54:19 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Gabz
Yes, but no more so than your comment about not wanting to pay for that which you do not utilize.
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Geeze! Using your reasoning, why not other services? If schooling can be provided by the voting mob why not other services? We could even have government run beauty parlors.

38 posted on 09/27/2009 5:16:45 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: wintertime
"We could even have government run beauty parlors."

But can you imagine their output? ;o)

39 posted on 09/27/2009 5:19:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

“We could even have government run beauty parlors.” ( wintertime)

But can you imagine their output? ;o) (editor-surveyor)
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My husband and I are sitting here laughing and laughing! :-)


40 posted on 09/27/2009 5:21:29 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: wintertime
Maybe we should look to our community's example with fire protection with regard to schooling.

That's not a half bad idea at that..........

Community enthusiasm and involvement is also very high in this area for our volunteer fire services.

41 posted on 09/28/2009 4:31:47 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort)
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To: Gabz
Also, our entire county has 3 policemen. That's all. They give speeding tickets, deliver court notices, and are on stand-by during the occasional auction for failure to pay taxes.

The reason we don't need more than 3 policemen is that nearly every household in this county is armed. Our citizens are self-protecting their families. Could this be compared to homeschooling families who self-educate their children? Yes, I think so.

42 posted on 09/28/2009 4:43:52 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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