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Attorney: OKC bombing tapes appear edited
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Posted on 09/27/2009 2:50:27 PM PDT by Chet 99

OKLAHOMA CITY – Long-secret security tapes showing the chaos immediately after the 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building are blank in the minutes before the blast and appear to have been edited, an attorney who obtained the recordings said Sunday.

"The real story is what's missing," said Jesse Trentadue, a Salt Lake City attorney who obtained the recordings through the federal Freedom of Information Act as part of an unofficial inquiry he is conducting into the April 19, 1995, bombing that killed 168 people and injured hundreds more.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: fbi; okcbombing; videotape
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To: Dianna

I live in Oklahoma now but was living in San Antonio when the initial report about John Doe #3 came across in a BOLO that was put out for the Dallas area especially the airport. They even interviewed people from the rental car company.

Next thing we know, we are told there is no John Doe #3 or anyone else involved except those arrested. What a bunch of crap.


51 posted on 09/27/2009 5:23:04 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: MizSterious

Same one. It was very mysterious how his brother died — it was like what did he know about the bombing which led to his brother lookiing into the OKC Bombing. Maybe he could also look into our ‘lone suicide bomber’ and find the information that the FBI does not want anyone to know.


52 posted on 09/27/2009 5:28:23 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: buccaneer81

The motel operator placed McVeigh and Nichols at his hotel at the same time a Atta and Mousourri — coincidence — FBI wasn’t interested.


53 posted on 09/27/2009 5:31:31 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: Montanabound

Have you been to the Museum portion of the Memorial? There is a huge picture of the Memorial Service and what stands out is that Bill and Hillary Clinton look like they are the cat that swallowed the canary while everyone else is mouring. Everytime I have taken people there I have heard the same comments from others.

I have also been to Dallas to the Museum at the Book Depository and if Kennedy was shot from that window and killed, I will be glad to take someone to dinner.


54 posted on 09/27/2009 5:36:38 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: Cicero
As with Waco, clinton quickly removed all the physical evidence and disposed of it.

Waco cleaned itself.
OKC was messy.
NYC was messy, it took Rootie a while to push it onto a barge to Japan.

"So, I don’t find this new story entirely surprising. It may well be true."

May well be???? Did it, or didn't it happen? Look for motives.

55 posted on 09/27/2009 5:41:18 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Ifanationexpects tobe ignorantandfree,inastateofcivilization,itexpects whatneverwas andnever will be)
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To: PhiKapMom
I have also been to Dallas to the Museum at the Book Depository and if Kennedy was shot from that window and killed, I will be glad to take someone to dinner.

Me, too. Agree 100%

56 posted on 09/27/2009 5:43:52 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Oh, I think the odds are that the FBI wiped the tapes. But I don’t absolutely KNOW it at this point.

I read a great deal about this at the time and am familiar with the basics.

But clinton successfully covered that and many other crimes up, and regretably Bush showed no interest in looking into any of it.


57 posted on 09/27/2009 5:48:30 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: buccaneer81

It really bugs me that they expect us to swallow all of this when good common sense says it could not have happened that way.


58 posted on 09/27/2009 5:54:01 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: PhiKapMom
It really bugs me that they expect us to swallow all of this when good common sense says it could not have happened that way.

The problem is, 70% of Americans just don't give a damn. They care more about the latest on Madonna or Kanye than they ever will about the nation. Just look at 9/11. The lack of public outrage eight years later speaks volumes.

59 posted on 09/27/2009 5:57:43 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Cicero
>"Bush showed no interest in looking into any of it."

He even let them run the "official 911" hearings.

Back scratching buddies.


I have taken a lot of name calling for smelling something fishy (building 7) cough cough....

I can't abide with the brain dead lefts abhorrence, however that doesn't mean they are automatically wrong 100% of the time. It does mean it's harder to objectively view things skewed through an emotional prism, be it hate, anger, fear,or lust, from either the Right or the Left.

60 posted on 09/27/2009 6:14:31 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Ifanationexpects tobe ignorantandfree,inastateofcivilization,itexpects whatneverwas andnever will be)
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To: rawcatslyentist
I have taken a lot of name calling for smelling something fishy (building 7) cough cough....

I have no problem with the WTC 7 explanation. Debris from the collapses of 1 and 2 hit 7 and the huge diesel fuel supply (for the NYC emergency command center) burned and between the fire and the impact damage, the structure fell.

61 posted on 09/27/2009 6:32:37 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: PhiKapMom

‘Have you been to the Museum portion of the Memorial? There is a huge picture of the Memorial Service and what stands out is that Bill and Hillary Clinton look like they are the cat that swallowed the canary while everyone else is mouring.’

No, only the outside part, which is very moving. Bill certainly made the most of it; it was sickening. I wish we knew the truth about the bombing.


62 posted on 09/27/2009 6:33:00 PM PDT by Montanabound
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To: buccaneer81

That is one of the biggest problems we have — apathy. Must admit that ZERO is doing a lot to do away with apathy — shocked at how many people are turning out who are disgusted with the direction of Government.

Used to go to some Town Halls just so some people were there. This time the Town Halls for my Congressman were filled which was a first.


63 posted on 09/27/2009 6:54:22 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: MizSterious
If this is the Trentadue I think it is, he’s a most interesting lawyer.

This is the same Trentadue. His brother Kenneth Trentadue died under supicious circumstances. At first the prison officials tried to pass it off as a suicide and wanted to cremate the body, but the family wouldn't let them. Here is one version of the story....

KENNETH MICHAEL TRENTADUE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Michael_Trentadue

Jesse Trentadue is currently offering a $250,000.00 reward for the truth about his brother's death.

http://intelwire.egoplex.com/2008_11_23_exclusives.html

64 posted on 09/27/2009 7:21:13 PM PDT by Sons of Union Vets (No taxation without representation!)
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To: BILL_C
the brainwashing of America has been especially effective.

Absolutely.

On many, many fronts.

65 posted on 09/27/2009 8:35:13 PM PDT by zeugma (Life is short.)
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To: rawcatslyentist
I have taken a lot of name calling for smelling something fishy (building 7) cough cough....

I don't believe the government had anything to do with bringing down any towers or blowing up the Federal Building. I do think Clinton had a LOT to gain by making McVeigh the white wacko instead of saying the word terrorists which would have forced him to do something or look weak.

Perhaps part of Bush's determination in the War on Terror had to do with knowing what we've been lied about in regards to Oklahoma City.

You start lining them up Oklahoma City, the first World Trade Center bombing, The Cole, Khobar Towers, maybe the airplane (flight 800, was it?) and clearly we have been under attack for some time.

66 posted on 09/27/2009 8:42:54 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: rlmorel

I’ve read it - very convincing - good work. Makes absolute sense that Iraqi Republican Guard allowed into this country (!) after losing to us in Gulf War One would plot a revenge bombing and look for a patsy and sympathizer (McVeigh) to assist. FBI and BATF would infiltrate and try to orchestrate the whole damn thing and in the end cover their asses and save Bill Clintoon’s as well.


67 posted on 09/27/2009 9:50:01 PM PDT by enviros_kill (Counter the culture and the oppression of regression)
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To: MizSterious

I bet banned FReeper OKCSubmariner would be on top of this as well.


68 posted on 09/28/2009 4:19:27 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Cicero

“most notably the expert report that proved that the building could not have been brought down by the truck bomb alone.”

What I always find curious about these conspiracy theories is how to explain away the facts one has to accept in order to believe in the conspiracy. Hundreds of people would have had to support the conspiracy, a fact which history proves is virtually impossible. The conspirators would have had to conspire with McVeigh and get him to accept the death penalty without talking. The people in the Murtha building might have been a little curious about why people were planting explosives all over the building. The timing of the truck blast and the building blast would have to be timed exactly lest the explosion of one disable the other. The forensic people who analyzed debri from the building would have had to be involved in the conspiracy to cover up chemical traces of whatever explosives were used inside the building. If the goal was to spread terror or point fingers at the right wing, why would it have mattered if the building collapsed or not? Would not the truck bomb and the ensuing damage, whether total or partial, not be enough to accomplish the mission? Why was dropping the front of the building down any more dramatic than simply destroying a third of it, or even a fourth? Why take such a huge risk of being caught planting explosive just to add another 30 or 40% to the damage?

Now, I know these can be explained away by even more absurd conspiracies, but in a time when the CIA can’t even keep a secret about waterboarding, how likely is it that a conspiracy by the government to drop a building would not leak?

Finally, you can find an “expert” to say anything you want. The overwhelming number of experts who have studied the bombing have no doubt it was brought down by the truck.


69 posted on 09/28/2009 7:08:01 AM PDT by yazoo (Conservatives believe what they see. Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: yazoo

Have you read the report? Sorry, I can’t put my hands on it right at the moment, but it was written by a general with a lifetime of experience as an ordinance expert.

The truck bomb could have, and probably did, break all the windows in the front facade of the building. But there’s no way it could have brought down the concrete pillars.

As for keeping it secret, an awful lot of it got out, and it can be found in those two books mentioned above. And a lot of it involved the FBI, ATF, and CIA, folks who make it a business to keep their mouths shut for their own good.

Clinton knew about it several weeks ahead of time, and had his big speech that turned the election around ready to go. Whether he deliberately let it happen or whether they just waited around too long is a matter for debate. But virtually everyone involved was a double agent, except for the two patsies. And it is a FACT that at least one of them was connected with Muslim terrorists and even visited them in the Phillipines.


70 posted on 09/28/2009 8:33:04 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Everything you said, proves my point. You quote two books even though hundreds of articles and investigative reports have been done disputing a govt conspiracy. You quote a “General” as do all conspiracy buffs in the belief that someone in a position of authority who supports the conspiracy lends more weight to the conspiracy. Then you state the truck could not have brought down the concrete pillars as if somehow that is an accepted fact. The official report, reviewed and edited by many experts in explosives had absolutely no problem with the fact a truck full of fertilizer explosives could, and did bring down the building.

What I find amusing is that Clinton could arrange and then silence the killing of hundreds of people, but he couldn’t stop an impeachment for getting a BJ from a secretary. It just doesn’t add up.


71 posted on 09/28/2009 11:56:24 AM PDT by yazoo (Conservatives believe what they see. Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: yazoo
Hundreds of people would have had to support the conspiracy, a fact which history proves is virtually impossible.

The JFK assassination tells us differently, unless you believe Oswald did it on his own.

72 posted on 09/28/2009 11:59:18 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Read Bugliosi’s latest book. Or read Posners book. Also, check out the reearch done on the bullet trajectory and how one pristine bullet behaved 100 percent the same when fired at two cadaver dummies arranged like Kennedy and Connolly. Yes, Oswald did act alone, and that is becoming more and more the accepted view since every single conspiracy theory has been debunked with facts.


73 posted on 09/28/2009 12:05:19 PM PDT by yazoo (Conservatives believe what they see. Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: yazoo

Have you read the report? You don’t answer. It’s a matter of elementary physics, such as I studied in high school. The force of an explosion goes out in a sphere and, all things being equal, diminishes as the cube of the distance.

There’s not a chance in the world that the truck bomb explosion could have taken out those reinforced concrete pillars in the basement. The force of the explosion was not just too weak, it was too weak by several orders of magnitude.

As for articles, the Daily Oklahoman had quite a few good ones at the time, until they finally gave up and went on to other matters.

Or did you get your news from Dan Rather?


74 posted on 09/28/2009 12:15:37 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

“There’s not a chance in the world that the truck bomb explosion could have taken out those reinforced concrete pillars in the basement.”

So then, what did take out the columns? And when the explosives people took chemical samples from the building, what other chemicals besides nitrates did they find? How did they get both the truck and basement explosives to go off at exactly the same minute? What people in the building were privy to the planted explosives? Since someone in the building had to let them in multiple times over several days, who was it that did it?
How did the FBI and ATF manage to keep everyone away from the investigation who was not involved in the conspiracy. I assume all the explosive experts, and there were many, would have had to have been in on the conspiracy. After all, if you can figure it out just from your high school physics class, I can assume that any decent demo man would noted it instantly and been looking for another source for the explosion.

What is so convenient about conspiracies is that when confronted with impossible questions, one can always fall back on the fact that the powers that be are keeping it all hidden from us.


75 posted on 09/28/2009 12:26:17 PM PDT by yazoo (Conservatives believe what they see. Liberals see what they believe.)
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