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Attorney: Oklahoma City bombing tapes appear edited
Newsok.com ^ | 9/27/09 | ap

Posted on 09/27/2009 3:35:40 PM PDT by Nachum

Long-secret security tapes showing the chaos immediately after the 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building are blank in the minutes before the blast and appear to have been edited, an attorney who obtained the recordings said Sunday.

The real story is what's missing," said Jesse Trentadue, a Salt Lake City attorney who obtained the recordings through the federal Freedom of Information Act as part of an unofficial inquiry he is conducting into the April 19, 1995, bombing that killed 168 people and injured hundreds more.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsok.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: attorney; bombing; city; duplicate; fbi; okcbombing; oklahoma; searchworks; videotape
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1 posted on 09/27/2009 3:35:41 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Clinton sure didn’t want to have to confront middle eastern terrorism, did he?


2 posted on 09/27/2009 3:38:08 PM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: Nachum

Look up the story of the BATF informant LINDA HOWE —will turn your hair white. She was telling them step by step what they would do, and it STILL got blown up, just amazing.

Other:

1. Guy who delivered Chinese food to McVeigh’s room as he drove cross-country SAW a middle-eastern dude in there with him.

2. McVeigh repeatedly used a calling card to phone an Abu Sayef-controlled part of the southern Phillipines. Tim was also, errr, pretty friendly with the Phillipina wife of Nichols.

3. Lots of other stuff.


3 posted on 09/27/2009 3:42:19 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: silverleaf

Nah, just swamp gas.


4 posted on 09/27/2009 3:45:02 PM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate)
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To: gaijin

Do you remember who wrote the book about the bombing and tied it to Middle Eastern terrorists? It was written by a woman and I always meant to read it.


5 posted on 09/27/2009 3:47:38 PM PDT by TXLady
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To: TXLady

I think it was Janya Davis.


6 posted on 09/27/2009 3:50:29 PM PDT by Josephat
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To: TXLady

http://www.amazon.com/Third-Terrorist-Connection-Oklahoma-Bombing/dp/1595552367/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254091865&sr=1-1


7 posted on 09/27/2009 3:51:31 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: TXLady
"Do you remember who wrote the book about the bombing and tied it to Middle Eastern terrorists? It was written by a woman and I always meant to read it."

-http://www.jaynadavis.com/--


8 posted on 09/27/2009 3:51:31 PM PDT by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: TXLady

I think the best book on the whole deal was the one written by Charles Key.


9 posted on 09/27/2009 3:53:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Nachum

I’ve read some conspiracy-theorists suggesting that McVeigh was a patsy/fall-guy and who suggested he was framed.

From the article: An FOIA request by Trentadue for 26 CIA documents was rejected in June. A letter from the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, which reviewed the documents, said their release “could cause grave damage to our national security.”

The above certainly does merit some questioning. How can information on a DOMESTIC bombing carried out years ago by a DOMESTIC terrorist, without FOREIGN involvement impact “National Security”?

If it is a still-exploitable security-defect, then people should be losing their jobs and going to jail, if not executed for treason.

The only thing, I can think of that would involve “National Security” would be if the missing information proved that the government incorrectly tried, convicted, & executed an innocent man or that the government was actually involved in the killing of the Citizens there. That is, if the Government did something that would cause a “loss of face” or, “undermine” the legitimacy of its authority; for it is this ‘authority’ which would become null & void should the government be killing its Citizens. (Are you beholden to a madman who WILL kill you or do you bodily harm? Surly not!)


10 posted on 09/27/2009 3:54:19 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Nachum

Did muzzie loathing of the west erupt over night? No. Did it all surface the day before 9/11? Also no, in fact it festered for quite awhile. And indeed, 9/11-like events had been sometimes occuring, though they were denied.

Who here thinks TWA800 **spontaneously** blew up..? Oh..! And in Pakistan they had “glorious posters” of a 747 blowing up over Manhattan BEFORE 800 occured..!!

RIDICULOUS.


11 posted on 09/27/2009 3:56:33 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin; backhoe; Josephat

Thanks for the replies! That is what I love about FR, there are so many knowledgeable folks here. Also, Cripplecreek mentioned one by Charles Key. I am going to get both books. I have more time to read now so they are on my list.


12 posted on 09/27/2009 4:03:06 PM PDT by TXLady
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To: TXLady

Someone should post the drawing of Suspect #2 and the photo of Jose Padilla again. That cannot be a coincidence.

The bombing in OKC and the shooting down of TWA flight 800(excused as a gas tank explosion) were terrorist attacks covered up during Billy Jeff The Lover Boy’s administration.


13 posted on 09/27/2009 4:11:02 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: cripplecreek

Thank you!


14 posted on 09/27/2009 4:12:36 PM PDT by TXnMA
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To: Nachum

That islamist McVey probably at least vies for the title of going quickest from court to the executioner.


15 posted on 09/27/2009 4:17:53 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: kittymyrib
"...terrorist attacks covered up during Billy Jeff The Lover Boy’s administration. "

(Historically) what gets covered up in Washington, stays covered up in Washington.
Don't expect a succeeding administration to pull the drapes off of something their predecessors hid away.

Not willingly anyway.

16 posted on 09/27/2009 4:20:46 PM PDT by norton
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To: kittymyrib
Jose' Padilla / John Doe 2?
17 posted on 09/27/2009 4:24:37 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: Miss Marple
Good evening lovely lady. Yes, I know we've been through this a number of times, but check out post 17.

5.56mm

18 posted on 09/27/2009 4:27:19 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Nachum

All of this really makes me wonder. What exactly was on those papers that Sandy Berger was stealing?


19 posted on 09/27/2009 4:28:48 PM PDT by SHOOT THE MOON bat ("Aggressive fighting for the right is the noblest sport the world affords" Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: kittymyrib

I was thinking the same thing. I thought Padilla looked exactly like the missing suspect. I think others on FR thought the same thing after the attack on 9/11.

There were witnesses that saw something hit TWA 800 when the first reports came out and then that was downplayed or ignored in the later reports.


20 posted on 09/27/2009 4:29:35 PM PDT by TXLady
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To: Nachum
"He said government officials claim the security cameras did not record the minutes before the bombing because "they had run out of tape" or "the tape was being replaced."

Based on what is well-known about how the FBI mistreated the rest of the OKBOMB evidence, missing critical frames on all tapes is precisely what we should expect.

21 posted on 09/27/2009 4:29:53 PM PDT by TXnMA
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To: onedoug

You noticed that too? Many on death row rot for 30 years or more but not Timmy.

The DC sniper is also on the greased rails.

Can’t have them talking.


22 posted on 09/27/2009 4:31:35 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Nachum
Leftist scumbags are so adept at editing video that it is no wonder that they would claim the ACORN tapes are edited.

Always accuse others of the things that you are actually doing!

23 posted on 09/27/2009 4:31:39 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: PhiKapMom

Ping


24 posted on 09/27/2009 4:43:22 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Nachum
Attorney: OKC bombing tapes appear edited
25 posted on 09/27/2009 4:44:00 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: rfp1234

The man on the right in Commander Hussein al-Husseini, an Iraqi Republican Guard officer, and the man who drove the Ryder truch, filled with explosives, to the Murrah Building in Okalahoma City.

Timothy McVeigh was a passenger in the Ryder truck.

Nichols went to the Phillipines several time to receive bomb-making lessons from a member of Al-Qaida.

This information is from Jayna Davis’s book, The Third Terrorist.


26 posted on 09/27/2009 4:52:58 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: backhoe

Jayna Davis FReeps:
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:truthaboveall/index?brevity=full;tab=comments


27 posted on 09/27/2009 4:54:09 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: OneWingedShark

The owner of a motel tied McVeigh and Nichols to his motel at the very same time that Atta and Moussouri were there and they were seen together, BUT FBI was not interested.

Just like the number of people that saw a Middle Eastern man with McVeigh but FBI was not interested.

But then the same FBI said they found a suicide note three weeks later on the computer hard drive of the OU “lone suicide bomber” after the NPD blew up 18 loads of explosives that rattled my home and windows 5 miles away from the site. Same material that was taken from the suicide bomber’s car and apartment. But he wasn’t a terrorist.

My opinion of the FBI is not too great and frankly not surprised the tapes have been edited. In fact, I would have said that before I knew.

Why settle Iraqi Republican Guard in OKC after the first Gulf war?

I have a lot of questions with no answers. Murrah Bombing was a cover up but then so was the OU ‘lone suicide bomber’ and would bet many other happenings.


28 posted on 09/27/2009 4:54:51 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: TXnMA

FBI personnel were ordered by President Clinton, via memo, to deep-six/ignore all information pertaining to persons of middle-eastern background. The memos were also ordered destroyed on order of President Clinton. The only reason we know about this is because one agent resigned and kept the memo. He showed it to Jayna Davis.


29 posted on 09/27/2009 4:56:42 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Nachum
My guess is that the tapes show evidence of two separate explosions as indicated by a seismograph located nearby. This supports the work by retired USAF General Benton Partin, who ran the Air Force's weapons development program. ie he understood explosions. He has solid evidence the building was brought down by charges attached to the building's columns and not by a blast. The must stunning evidence he presented was columns that has significantly more damage, yet were further away from columns that showed very little damage.

I also remember 4-5 years ago, the Air Force built a structure that matched the infrastructure of the Fed building and ran several experimental bombings that attempted replicated the claimed method - didn't even touch the build, much less bring it down.
30 posted on 09/27/2009 4:59:54 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: Nachum
"The interesting thing is they spring back on after 9:02," he said. "The absence of footage from these crucial time intervals is evidence that there is something there that the FBI doesn't want anybody to see."

The FBI's track record for lying about OKBOMB evidence remains intact.


According to FBI SAIC Danny Defenbaugh, when asked if the FBI covered the crater to hide what really happened, Defenbaugh replied:

"Investigators weren't trying to hide anything from the public, only tryng to protect the evidence that was water soluble."

The Daily Oklahoman, 13 December, 1998.

On the morning of the bombing -- before it was covered -- the crater had already been flooded with dirty water, full of red Oklahoma mud -- with all sorts of debris floating on it!:

Yep -- you can always rely on our FBI for the truth... </sarc>

31 posted on 09/27/2009 5:01:18 PM PDT by TXnMA
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To: SatinDoll

To support your comments, I remember from the trial that the FBI had interviewed several people that had spotted McVeigh downtown minutes before the explosion. Yet they were not called to testify. Seems one job of the prosecution would be to place the accused at the scene. It seems the reason they were not called, was because they placed a third man (the swarthy-looking man) with the two men.


32 posted on 09/27/2009 5:03:29 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: TXnMA

I checked on Amazon and there are used copies of “The Final Report” by Charles Key. It is 45.99. Also a very good review of the book is listed there. I will have to check the library for a copy.


33 posted on 09/27/2009 5:04:53 PM PDT by TXLady
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To: Nachum
I also remember an episode of 20/20 that ran about 10 years ago. Tom Jerrel interviewed the producer of the episode, which was rather incredible. The producer (I think his name was Rodriguez) told Jerrel, "Tom, if you think this was stunning, wait until we air part 2 next week". Well, part 2 was never broadcasted and I believe I heard the producer was fired.

I order a copy of that first show and let the VHS tape sit on my shelf without viewing it. A year of so later I was telling a friend at work about all this and that I would loan him the tape. I did so, but that night I watched the broadcast again and was stunned that the last section talking about part 2 had been cut from the tape.
34 posted on 09/27/2009 5:10:21 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: tang-soo

Al-Husseini didn’t just appear in Oklahoma City; he was later discovered working at the airport in Boston making up box lunches for the vendor who provided those (supposedly including box cutters) to jet liner hi-jacked by Mohammed Atta. Yes - he made up box lunches on 9/11/2001.

I don’t see that as coincidental, not at all.


35 posted on 09/27/2009 5:13:18 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: PhiKapMom

As I recall, a witness got the license number of a brown pickup that was speeding from the Murrah building - the driver was identified as ME. Later, a rental car with that license number was stopped near Dallas - the ME men in the car were going to DFW. I think it’s very possible that those men arrived in the US at DFW, rented a car and drove to OKC where they switched the rental car plates to a pickup. After the bombing, they put the plates back on the rental car and bugged out for DFW and left the country.

BTW, I am also on Mary Fallin’s E-mail list : )


36 posted on 09/27/2009 5:15:32 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: Ben Hecks

You are correct. Living in the San Antonio area at the time and that is exactly what came across the news.

Mary will make a really good Governor. Not a better spokesman for Oklahoma.


37 posted on 09/27/2009 5:20:06 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: PhiKapMom

bttt


38 posted on 09/27/2009 5:23:41 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: M Kehoe
Mike, I posted that comparison right after Padilla was arrested.

I still find it amazing that not ONE media outlet thought to look that up.

I am also suspicious of the TWA explosion right before the Olympics.

Heck, I am suspicious about a lot of stuff. Time to stock up on canned goods, water, and ammo, I guess. LOL!

39 posted on 09/27/2009 5:37:51 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Velveeta

Bump


40 posted on 09/27/2009 5:41:26 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: rfp1234

Bump


41 posted on 09/27/2009 5:42:05 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: gaijin
It was Carol Elizabeth Howe and finding her picture or anything about her on the Internet is surprisingly difficult. Except for thumbnails there don't appear to be any photos of her left. That's amazing. She was a key figure in what was most certainly a big Clinton coverup in the OKC bombing case.

If anyone has a decent photo of Carol Howe they should post it. Cute gal. Lucky (IMHO) to have survived the government's attempt to frame her for a crime they knew she did not commit. The reason?: She had advanced warning about the OKC bombing and was willing to testify to that fact. Unfortunately for Carol Howe, such testimony was not seen to be in the "national interest".

42 posted on 09/27/2009 5:51:43 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Nachum
Real Americans were ridiculed and threatened for years before Congress, MSM employees, et al finally knocked it off and got serious about investigating what really happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Relatively low-level government employees were being protected there.. the OKC bombing just may go all the way into an Oval Office or two. It is the cover-up I'm talking about.

43 posted on 09/27/2009 6:04:05 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: OneWingedShark
I’ve read some conspiracy-theorists suggesting that McVeigh was a patsy/fall-guy and who suggested he was framed.

I have wondered. I mean, If I had blown up a building full of men, women, and children, and got pulled over by a cop while driving with no license plates, with a 9mm loaded in reach, a highway patrollman just might end their career on the spot. What is one more? Drive away and ditch the vehicle.

It is as if McVeigh wanted to be caught. Maybe he figured he'd walk, not take the fall.

The only thing, I can think of that would involve “National Security” would be if the missing information proved that the government incorrectly tried, convicted, & executed an innocent man or that the government was actually involved in the killing of the Citizens there. That is, if the Government did something that would cause a “loss of face” or, “undermine” the legitimacy of its authority; for it is this ‘authority’ which would become null & void should the government be killing its Citizens.

The Clinton administration made political hay out of the idea that a "right winged radical" murdered over a hundred people, allegedly in retribution for Waco.

The Waco massacre was due to be investigated in congressional hearings, gunowners were gaining momentum fighting the assault weapons ban, and progress was being made in the Randy Weaver/Ruby Ridge case as well.

The shift in public sentiment that came with the attribution of the OK City bombing to what has become the cliche carriacture of 'right winged, Constitution quoting, radical gun nuts (who love Jesus)', took a lot of the wind out of the sails of the anti-Clinton, anti-DOJ under Janet Reno outcry, and did, in the public psyche, more than counterbalence the horrors which the government had committed in Texas, Idaho, and elsewhere.

With the WTC Bombing in '93, and other terrorist events which had been attributed to foreign (islamic) terrorists, and leaking information that the WTC Bombing may have been a blown sting operation (iirc, the on board informant showed them how to make the explosive), the Clintons had everything to gain by denying foreign involvement and blaming factions on the Right.

44 posted on 09/27/2009 6:05:09 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Nachum
Anyone willing to spend just a few minutes on a search engine for "AKAL Security" would have a good time. Take a look at AKAL's ownership, background and beliefs.

After you scratch your head wondering why they were even then guarding federal buildings, not to mention they are one of the largest federal security contractors even today, will wonder why on that day, and only that day in their contract history guarding that building (They had the contract), no guards showed for duty...none...no posts were filled that day

It's all there for the confirmed reading on the 'net.

45 posted on 09/27/2009 6:13:13 PM PDT by IrishPennant (/tagline off due to self moderation)
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To: SHOOT THE MOON bat
All of this really makes me wonder. What exactly was on those papers that Sandy Berger was stealing?

25 years to life for Willy Jeff and his consorts.

46 posted on 09/27/2009 6:14:12 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Nachum

Big surprise bump!


47 posted on 09/27/2009 6:29:31 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Nachum

What I remember most clearly is that, given the size of the blast, the truck was parked too far away from support pillars to have cut through the rebar, yet the rebar was cut by something blowing up at the same time as the truck.


48 posted on 09/27/2009 6:33:30 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Nachum; 2nd Amendment; 9YearLurker; andy58-in-nh; Arizona Carolyn; Bishop_Malachi; bray; ...

Freepers, here is why we need Sarah Palin, and nobody else, in the White House.

She really is our only chance at restoring any legitimacy or credibility to this country.


49 posted on 09/27/2009 6:36:25 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: aruanan
"yet the rebar was cut by something blowing up at the same time as the truck."

Actually a few seconds before, according to the nearby siesmograph at the university.

50 posted on 09/27/2009 6:39:06 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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