Skip to comments.Leo's Blog - Are they going to say there is no Long Form BC??
Posted on 09/27/2009 9:19:59 PM PDT by Frantzie
September 27, 2009 at 3:31 am Good work.Interesting article covered by Phil at RSOL.Even more interesting are some of the comments. http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=7364
[Ed. Holy Crap! Is this the new mantra? Are the main stream media, as of September 24 2009 now going to be telling the public that Obama has no long form BC?
From the Colorado Independent:
By Joseph Boven 9/24/09 3:40 PM
According to billboard owner Phil Wolf, Denvers birther boards will go up mid-day today at Kipling and I-70 on the north side of frontage road. West-Denver commuters will be treated to compelling over-sized double-sided evidence that Americans love a distraction.
The ominous and compelling message: Where is the birth certificate?
The billboards are the work of talk radio host Peter Boyles, World Net Daily, and Mr. Wolf. They are part of nationwide right-wing campaign to force Pres. Obama to produce his original long-form birth certificate.
Experts have repeated time and again that the documents presented to the country and campaign officials are real and legitimate documents and that a long-form certificate does not exist.
"Experts have repeated time and again...that a 'long-form certificate' does not exist?"
WTF? Is this direct proof that we are getting somewhere in Hawaii? WTF? Hold onto your hats, your children, your passports... I think we are leaving Kansas for real Toto. I don't recall anyone ever admitting that Obama didn't have a long form BC. Something tells me the TerriK investigation is to blame for this new mantra which appears to have been dropped as a trial balloon on Sept 24. Get to work on the Colorado Independent. We need this story to be clarified. ]
I wonder if he has no long form BC because he was born in Kenya. Hawaii is covering for him.
So Obama cites his own BC that he found in a book was really a COLB?
This is the No Plan president. On all matters.
Several weeks ago I saw a thread where Obama said the original burned in a fire.
I fully expect that this will be completely ignored by all conservative talk show host.
Those of you who have followed my posts over the years know that I do not use any references to obscenity. But...Wow! I sure am thinking it!!! These conservative talk show hosts TOTALLY ******* ME OFF!
This includes Rush. He has done just enough so that when the fecal material hits the fan, he can say, “Roll the tapes! See I covered it!” ( for a puny 2 minutes!)
Leo also says: (Leo’s comments are Ed or ed as in editor)
Enjoying your posts on this subject. Thank you for sharing.
[ed. he will have the same privacy rights. but he should also held to have legally waived them for showing the COLB, and we are moving on that basis.]
Obama may have waived his privacy rights by showing us the fake COLB? Huh? Interesting.
BTW - I have not seen too many Obots lately on these Leo topics. Lurking Lib, Non-S, Drew6*, and a few others.
Can you speculate why that is?
By the way, it seems some of the trolls on the education threads have disappeared, too.
Many years back when you had a baby the hospital issued a certificate with the height, weight, time of birth,doctor, etc; and a foot print. I always thought that was the original birth certificate, but years later found out that it is not accepted. You have to apply to the county in which you are born to get a certified BC. I think what Barack Hussien Obama says he found in a book was that hospital issued certificate. Not an official certificate at all. Now the hospitals don't give you that type of certificate. In order to have a foot print of my newly born grandkids I had to get an ink pad and do it myself.
Gosh darn it, we knew the records were there, but some klutzy janitor (at all those institutions), must have mistakenly thrown out the records without authorization.
Sorry about that... You can see how that can happen after all, can't you?
Yes, that was floated by the Obama camp...it sunk. Hey the dog ate it. LoL!
Very weird. It could be:
1. They know that the s** is about to hit the fan with LEo and TerriK’s work in Hawaii.
2. They were on ACORN’s payroll. The fact you said that they disappeared from education threads makes me wonder. I wonder how many shills during the election on the blogosphere were paid ACORN employees.
Another possibility is they might be Jewish. Yom Kippur is going on now I think. Probably not because most liberal Jews are fairly secular. I am not sure if computer use is out during the holiday period.
I think they are probably now ex-ACORN employees trying to get a gig at Starbux, McDonalds or some bathhouse.
Maybe this is why O’Bammy has spent so much money to
hide his past!!!
Nothing else makes sense...:0/
The old “fire trick”.
They have a long form. This was just the typical liberal writer in the Colorado Independent that does not know his ass from a hole in the ground.
Klein asserted what he thought would float to deflect questrions he didn't want asked and certainly didn't want Lou Dobbs addressing.
When the media elites feel so scure that they will lie so blatantly on air, America is in deep poo.
They could be huddling and studying the AstroTurf playbook.
I've been wondering where they are, too. Even the ones who announced they aren't trolls have disappeared.
Mayby you should tone down your vicious flaming and check this out first???
Beck may be onto another Canada Free Press Story that they were working with North East Intelligence.
They have documents and testimony of Major News anchors from major Networks that were threatened by Obama Administration staff, NOT to bring up the BC or Natural Born Citizen issue.
Great interview in archives at Laurie Roth (3 hours long), but I highly recommend it. They state that they are storing documents in the US and copies in Canada, and maybe one other Country, if I remember correctly. The investigator is no amateur.
(and Northeast Intelligence intro and documentation at link below)
4 August 2009: Do you remember Watergate? Thirty-five years ago this Sunday, U.S. President Richard M. Nixon submitted his letter of resignation for his role in the scandal. There was the crime - the break-in, and then there was the cover-up by the Nixon administration. There were threats, media manipulation and disinformation. It was the cover-up more than the crime itself in the aftermath of the Watergate break-in that led to the downfall of the Nixon administration. It was a politically critical time for our country, but we survived because of the strength of the U.S. constitution.
Maybe it’s a Communist anniversary or Commie leader’s birthday they are celebrating? ;^)
They may have all been on ACORN’s payroll and the money has been shut off or most of it at least.
They may pop up as employees of the new replacement ACORN front company.
many lies are afoot
it is time to can
then put the cans in your storm cellar and be prepared for total collapse
did you know that grocery stores only have 3 days food on hand, max? It will only take 3 days.
I could see where Obama might not have his long form BC, even the State of Hawaii “losing” their copy - but doesn’t the hospital keep a copy of the long form too???
So, if they are saying the long form BC doesn’t exist - were the copies ALL destroyed from these three sources???
Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a Birth Certificate.
The so called COLB has many flaws with it:
The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.
Those were most certainly BCs and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process. I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. Its a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and Im left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my fathers part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my fathers imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents. From Dreams From My Father (Pg. 26 last paragraph) So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate? He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mothers belongings. Why wouldnt he just slap that one up, for all the world to see? It seemed important that he found a document that is called a Birth Certificate and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.
I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. Its a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and Im left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my fathers part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my fathers imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.
From Dreams From My Father (Pg. 26 last paragraph)
So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?
He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mothers belongings. Why wouldnt he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?
It seemed important that he found a document that is called a Birth Certificate and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.
Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC. That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that fishy event.
Did you know that there are no kindergarten records for Barry O.? Yet all the records for each of his classmates are there.
See my post later in this thread and you will see why that is a crock of poop.
Additionally, the very records we want, are also in the State Department records.
The thing Rush DID do was make his joke about how God and Obama are alike ..neither has a birth certificate. After that, the issue did get coverage that it hadn’t before. Rush doesn’t have to say a whole lot.
because they are paid pinch hitters.
They rest of us play this game for real.
Those same records are in the State Department, in his college file, Kindergarten records(if they can be found) etc.
They are around.
The first scanned image lacked the raised seal, so the next image posted by the obama website added a raised seal effect to the first scan they proffered. That is provable due to soemthing on the first scan which was found on the second scan witht he raised seal effected added. The particular artifact is not found on the third exhibit factcheck exhibited as a hard copy photgraphed by their hand-held camera.
They have shut down a few ACORN offices. Many are hiding underground just waiting for the next election.
THIS IS CLASS-A BULLS**T !!!
Even if the paper records were destroyed, by Hawaii law they must have a complete electronic copy archived and made available to the public.
Here is the law, form the Hawaii Revised Statutes:
92-31 Disposition of original record. A photograph, microphotograph, reproduction on film, or electronic form of a government record shall be placed in conveniently accessible files and provisions made for preserving, examining, and using the same. Thereafter, a public officer, after having first received the written approval of the comptroller as provided in section 94-3, may cause such record, paper, or document to be destroyed. The comptroller may require, as a prerequisite to the granting of such approval, that a reproduction or print of such photograph, microphotograph, or reproduction on film, or electronic form of the record be delivered into the custody of the public archives for safekeeping. The comptroller may also require the delivery into the custody of another governmental department or agency or a research library of any such record, paper, or document proposed to be destroyed under the provisions of this section.
So, either the original microfiche copy is still available or a complete reproduction of it in electronic form is available. To put something in electronic form and not copy all the data on the original document would be against the law. Where these files have to be accessible and provisions have to be made for examining them, it would be misleading for the Department of Health to say that the information on the original Certificate of Live Birth is no longer available. Under Hawaii Revised Stautes 338-18, those with a direct and tangible interest in the record are permitted inspection of public health statistics records. That would include either the microfiche or electronic copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth.
That is as good if not better than anything Barry has displayed for his sycophantic media whelps to tout as ‘genuine’ proof.
Let’s keep reminding everyone of the mounting evidence in direct contravention to their statements.
You cannot overcome the inconsistencies, after a while.
Someone in the Hawaii records office needs to come out and say - without ambiguity - whether or not they hold a long-form BC for 0bama in any form. Could be paper, could be on microfilm/microfiche, whatever.
If they don’t have it I’ll never believe he was born on U.S. soil.
Until someone produces it, he’s not my president!
What kind of doucheclot would ever be involved with a cypher like 0bama? His family, his friends, his cabinet members, his whole administration... they’re all just as culpable as he is for propagating this hoax on our country.
“F” ‘em all!
Here's a special one for our "Dear Leader", who has spent so much money to hide, repeat hide, his true birth document and the rest of his personal history records. What a total fraud!
Nobody has "admitted" that - but CNN has already floated this trial balloon back in July. I think it was when Lou Dobbs was picking at this issue and his bosses wanted him to drop the subject.
Pretty lame, actually. Jon Klein backed off from that speculation pretty quickly, IIRC.
The first scanned image WAS NOT scanned. It was a computer generated fraud.
There are no, I repeat no, artifacts that typically occur with a scanned image.
No border shadows or bleeds, no creases, incorrect cropping to create a square document, when an original is clearly not square but, in fact, offset and rectangular.
The images are at variance with each other and not consistent with other documents we already have
Years ago I ordered a certified copy of my long form.
It came back and what it was/is is a printout on photo-sensitive paper of a copy of my original BC from microfiche.
It had the original info about where I was born, info about my parents, the doctors signature, the hospital registrars signature. As well as initials of someone from the Dept of Vital Stats from NYS, and the State seal impressed.
So there may be no “paper” form, per se. But odds are very high that somewhere, there is an image file of sorts.
A single reel of microfiche could hold thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of images.
See my post #37
OK. I imagine NYS has similar statutes.
And I fubar’d of sorts, because I used to read microfiche from IBM with the viewers, and in fact it does not come on reels (maybe some forms do) but the stuff I dealt with was like 4X6 inch transparencies that resembled photo negatives.
At the time of the drafting and ratification of the United States constitution,
the definition of natural born citizen, combined both principles of jus soli and jus sanguinis.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
Emmerich Vattel, Law of Nations, § 212. Of the citizens and natives
I am sure that is what Hawaii used up to 1981. But according to Okubo, all records were transferred to electronic format in 1981. So if they destroyed the microfiche copies, they had to be converted - intact - to an electronic form per Hawaii statutes.
I read the OIP op. ltr. no 90-23 on the above site and I noticed that according to statute 338-18 (D) that ALL indexind data related to a birth certificate MUST be revealed to ANYONE requesting it WITHOUT to the ‘standing’ erquired by statute 338-18 (B) which the dept of health is using to shield that data.
I suspect that therefore one can legally request any and all indexing data related to the BC under Hawaii law and it has to be released.
Exactly what that ‘indexing’ data is and what it may reveal may prove interesting. If it shows date and time of material created or submitted, it may give an actual birth date or a date filed or date modified and possibly who may modified the data. Perhaps it may indicate a ‘late filing’ or filing of a birth overseas.
This may be another path to persue by those able to do so.