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Leo's Blog - Are they going to say there is no Long Form BC??
Vanity | 9-26-2009 | Frantzie

Posted on 09/27/2009 9:19:59 PM PDT by Frantzie

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/26/terrik-investigation-part-2-oip-staff-attorney-linden-joestings-response-to-terriks-appeal-appears-to-confirm-that-the-doh-maintains-amended-vital-records-for-president-obama/#comments

Descarte Says:

September 27, 2009 at 3:31 am Good work.Interesting article covered by Phil at RSOL.Even more interesting are some of the comments. http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=7364

[Ed. Holy Crap! Is this the new mantra? Are the main stream media, as of September 24 2009 now going to be telling the public that Obama has no long form BC?

From the Colorado Independent:

By Joseph Boven 9/24/09 3:40 PM

According to billboard owner Phil Wolf, Denver’s “birther boards” will go up mid-day today at Kipling and I-70 on the north side of frontage road. West-Denver commuters will be treated to compelling over-sized double-sided evidence that Americans love a distraction.

The ominous and compelling message: “Where is the birth certificate?”

The billboards are the work of talk radio host Peter Boyles, World Net Daily, and Mr. Wolf. They are part of nationwide right-wing campaign to force Pres. Obama to produce his original long-form birth certificate.

Experts have repeated time and again that the documents presented to the country and campaign officials are real and legitimate documents and that a “long-form certificate” does not exist.

"Experts have repeated time and again...that a 'long-form certificate' does not exist?"

WTF? Is this direct proof that we are getting somewhere in Hawaii? WTF? Hold onto your hats, your children, your passports... I think we are leaving Kansas for real Toto. I don't recall anyone ever admitting that Obama didn't have a long form BC. Something tells me the TerriK investigation is to blame for this new mantra which appears to have been dropped as a trial balloon on Sept 24. Get to work on the Colorado Independent. We need this story to be clarified. ]


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Leo is thinking they may be taking a new tack and may say there is no long form BC. Leo thinks TerriK's requests may be the reason this "no long form BC" trial baloon is being floated????

I wonder if he has no long form BC because he was born in Kenya. Hawaii is covering for him.

1 posted on 09/27/2009 9:19:59 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: Frantzie; rxsid; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; GOPJ; ...
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2 posted on 09/27/2009 9:32:45 PM PDT by LucyT ("The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - M.Thatcher)
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To: Frantzie

So Obama cites his own BC that he found in a book was really a COLB?

This is the No Plan president. On all matters.


3 posted on 09/27/2009 9:35:48 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: Frantzie

Several weeks ago I saw a thread where Obama said the original burned in a fire.


4 posted on 09/27/2009 9:37:31 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences.)
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To: Frantzie
Leo is thinking they may be taking a new tack and may say there is no long form BC. Leo thinks TerriK’s requests may be the reason this “no long form BC” trial baloon is being floated????
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I fully expect that this will be completely ignored by all conservative talk show host.

Those of you who have followed my posts over the years know that I do not use any references to obscenity. But...Wow! I sure am thinking it!!! These conservative talk show hosts TOTALLY ******* ME OFF!

This includes Rush. He has done just enough so that when the fecal material hits the fan, he can say, “Roll the tapes! See I covered it!” ( for a puny 2 minutes!)

5 posted on 09/27/2009 9:39:59 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Frantzie

http://www.rewardforobamasbirthcertificate.com/


6 posted on 09/27/2009 9:40:02 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: Frantzie

Leo also says: (Leo’s comments are Ed or ed as in editor)

Enjoying your posts on this subject. Thank you for sharing.

[ed. he will have the same privacy rights. but he should also held to have legally waived them for showing the COLB, and we are moving on that basis.]

Obama may have waived his privacy rights by showing us the fake COLB? Huh? Interesting.

BTW - I have not seen too many Obots lately on these Leo topics. Lurking Lib, Non-S, Drew6*, and a few others.


7 posted on 09/27/2009 9:44:23 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: Frantzie

Well ... they have to say something ... and I don't think at this point "the truth" is an option for them.


8 posted on 09/27/2009 9:46:11 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Frantzie
I have not seen too many Obots lately on these Leo topics.
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Can you speculate why that is?

By the way, it seems some of the trolls on the education threads have disappeared, too.

9 posted on 09/27/2009 9:47:55 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Jet Jaguar
"So Obama cites his own BC that he found in a book was really a COLB?"

Many years back when you had a baby the hospital issued a certificate with the height, weight, time of birth,doctor, etc; and a foot print. I always thought that was the original birth certificate, but years later found out that it is not accepted. You have to apply to the county in which you are born to get a certified BC. I think what Barack Hussien Obama says he found in a book was that hospital issued certificate. Not an official certificate at all. Now the hospitals don't give you that type of certificate. In order to have a foot print of my newly born grandkids I had to get an ink pad and do it myself.

10 posted on 09/27/2009 9:49:49 PM PDT by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences.)
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To: Frantzie
Only if they follow up with saying that there also are no Occidental College records, no Columbia University records, and, would you believe it, no Harvard University records either.

Gosh darn it, we knew the records were there, but some klutzy janitor (at all those institutions), must have mistakenly thrown out the records without authorization.

Sorry about that... You can see how that can happen after all, can't you?

-PJ

11 posted on 09/27/2009 9:51:23 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Comprehensive congressional reform legislation only yields incomprehensible bills that nobody reads.)
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To: Spunky
Several weeks ago I saw a thread where Obama said the original burned in a fire.

Yes, that was floated by the Obama camp...it sunk. Hey the dog ate it. LoL!

12 posted on 09/27/2009 9:55:54 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: wintertime

Very weird. It could be:

1. They know that the s** is about to hit the fan with LEo and TerriK’s work in Hawaii.

2. They were on ACORN’s payroll. The fact you said that they disappeared from education threads makes me wonder. I wonder how many shills during the election on the blogosphere were paid ACORN employees.

Another possibility is they might be Jewish. Yom Kippur is going on now I think. Probably not because most liberal Jews are fairly secular. I am not sure if computer use is out during the holiday period.

I think they are probably now ex-ACORN employees trying to get a gig at Starbux, McDonalds or some bathhouse.


13 posted on 09/27/2009 9:57:01 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: LucyT; Frantzie

Maybe this is why O’Bammy has spent so much money to

hide his past!!!

Nothing else makes sense...:0/


14 posted on 09/27/2009 9:57:08 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Spunky

The old “fire trick”.


15 posted on 09/27/2009 9:59:08 PM PDT by machogirl
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To: Frantzie

They have a long form. This was just the typical liberal writer in the Colorado Independent that does not know his ass from a hole in the ground.


16 posted on 09/27/2009 9:59:39 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: wintertime
A few short weeks ago, Jon Klein, head of CNN stated on air to Lou Dobbs that there were no paper BCs anymore because Hawaii destroyed all the papers when they went to electronic files. Klein even had Lou tell this LIE on air. It so happens that a few days after I herad Lou repeat Klein's lie, I called the Hawaiian Vital Reords dept. about another matter concerning the forms they print CoLBs on and while talking with a pleasant lady I asked about whether one could obtain a photostatic copy of an original BC, and I mentioned that someone had said no original existed any longer. The lady was amused that someone would tell such a whopper since the state of Hawaii spends a considerable sum each year to keep original documents ina controlled environment for safekeeping.

Klein asserted what he thought would float to deflect questrions he didn't want asked and certainly didn't want Lou Dobbs addressing.

When the media elites feel so scure that they will lie so blatantly on air, America is in deep poo.

17 posted on 09/27/2009 9:59:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Frantzie

They could be huddling and studying the AstroTurf playbook.


18 posted on 09/27/2009 10:00:31 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Frantzie; Candor7
I have not seen too many Obots lately

I've been wondering where they are, too. Even the ones who announced they aren't trolls have disappeared.

19 posted on 09/27/2009 10:02:56 PM PDT by LucyT ("The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." - M.Thatcher)
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To: wintertime

Mayby you should tone down your vicious flaming and check this out first???

Beck may be onto another Canada Free Press Story that they were working with North East Intelligence.

They have documents and testimony of Major News anchors from major Networks that were threatened by Obama Administration staff, NOT to bring up the BC or Natural Born Citizen issue.

Great interview in archives at Laurie Roth (3 hours long), but I highly recommend it. They state that they are storing documents in the US and copies in Canada, and maybe one other Country, if I remember correctly. The investigator is no amateur.

part 1
http://www.therothshow.com/demos/recent/hour1Aug0709.mp3

part 2
http://www.therothshow.com/demos/recent/hour2Aug0709.mp3

part 3
http://www.therothshow.com/demos/recent/hour3Aug0709.mp3

(and Northeast Intelligence intro and documentation at link below)

“4 August 2009: Do you remember Watergate? Thirty-five years ago this Sunday, U.S. President Richard M. Nixon submitted his letter of resignation for his role in the scandal. There was the crime - the break-in, and then there was the cover-up by the Nixon administration. There were threats, media manipulation and disinformation. It was the cover-up more than the crime itself in the aftermath of the Watergate break-in that led to the downfall of the Nixon administration. It was a politically critical time for our country, but we survived because of the strength of the U.S. constitution. “

http://homelandsecurityus.com/?p=2966


20 posted on 09/27/2009 10:04:58 PM PDT by danamco
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To: LucyT

Maybe it’s a Communist anniversary or Commie leader’s birthday they are celebrating? ;^)


21 posted on 09/27/2009 10:05:50 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

They may have all been on ACORN’s payroll and the money has been shut off or most of it at least.

They may pop up as employees of the new replacement ACORN front company.


22 posted on 09/27/2009 10:10:19 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: so_real

many lies are afoot

it is time to can

then put the cans in your storm cellar and be prepared for total collapse

did you know that grocery stores only have 3 days food on hand, max? It will only take 3 days.


23 posted on 09/27/2009 10:15:18 PM PDT by skipper18
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To: Frantzie
When we talk about the After-Birther's disappearing from the threads their ears start to ring as in here.
24 posted on 09/27/2009 10:16:16 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Frantzie; All

I could see where Obama might not have his long form BC, even the State of Hawaii “losing” their copy - but doesn’t the hospital keep a copy of the long form too???

So, if they are saying the long form BC doesn’t exist - were the copies ALL destroyed from these three sources???


25 posted on 09/27/2009 10:18:12 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: Frantzie
No long form? Well, how can this be? /s
Let them claim there is no long form.
 
1st.  They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract.  That means there is a long form.
 
2nd.  Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?
 
3rd.  Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything?  Like obtaining a passport.  That one document is better than a drivers license.  It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are.  From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no ammendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean. 
 
Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?
 

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

  • His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”.  That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s.  So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
  •  The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan.  If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
  • The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds.  A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
  • The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii.  Why?  Because it was computer generated and not scanned.  Guess they forgot to add that back in.
  • More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.

 The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

  • His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
  • The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn't available?
  • Why couldn't he just present the one he found among his mother's belongings upon her death.   He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books.  Why not post that one?

Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings.  Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC.  That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

 
 
 

26 posted on 09/27/2009 10:39:26 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Did you know that there are no kindergarten records for Barry O.? Yet all the records for each of his classmates are there.

/s


27 posted on 09/27/2009 10:47:26 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Red Steel

See my post later in this thread and you will see why that is a crock of poop.

Additionally, the very records we want, are also in the State Department records.


28 posted on 09/27/2009 10:48:44 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

29 posted on 09/27/2009 10:49:51 PM PDT by jws3sticks (Sarah Palin forever!)
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To: wintertime

The thing Rush DID do was make his joke about how God and Obama are alike ..neither has a birth certificate. After that, the issue did get coverage that it hadn’t before. Rush doesn’t have to say a whole lot.


30 posted on 09/27/2009 10:55:57 PM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: LucyT

because they are paid pinch hitters.

They rest of us play this game for real.


31 posted on 09/27/2009 10:57:40 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Lmo56

Those same records are in the State Department, in his college file, Kindergarten records(if they can be found) etc.

They are around.


32 posted on 09/27/2009 10:59:49 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: jws3sticks

And?


33 posted on 09/27/2009 11:00:36 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome
Image and video hosting by TinyPic ...;0)
34 posted on 09/27/2009 11:05:17 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Vendome

The first scanned image lacked the raised seal, so the next image posted by the obama website added a raised seal effect to the first scan they proffered. That is provable due to soemthing on the first scan which was found on the second scan witht he raised seal effected added. The particular artifact is not found on the third exhibit factcheck exhibited as a hard copy photgraphed by their hand-held camera.


35 posted on 09/27/2009 11:14:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: LucyT
I've been wondering where they are, too. Even the ones who announced they aren't trolls have disappeared.

They have shut down a few ACORN offices. Many are hiding underground just waiting for the next election.

36 posted on 09/27/2009 11:16:39 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Frantzie
Experts have repeated time and again that the documents presented to the country and campaign officials are real and legitimate documents and that a “long-form certificate” does not exist.

THIS IS CLASS-A BULLS**T !!!

Even if the paper records were destroyed, by Hawaii law they must have a complete electronic copy archived and made available to the public.

Here is the law, form the Hawaii Revised Statutes:

92-31 Disposition of original record. A photograph, microphotograph, reproduction on film, or electronic form of a government record shall be placed in conveniently accessible files and provisions made for preserving, examining, and using the same. Thereafter, a public officer, after having first received the written approval of the comptroller as provided in section 94-3, may cause such record, paper, or document to be destroyed. The comptroller may require, as a prerequisite to the granting of such approval, that a reproduction or print of such photograph, microphotograph, or reproduction on film, or electronic form of the record be delivered into the custody of the public archives for safekeeping. The comptroller may also require the delivery into the custody of another governmental department or agency or a research library of any such record, paper, or document proposed to be destroyed under the provisions of this section.

So, either the original microfiche copy is still available or a complete reproduction of it in electronic form is available. To put something in electronic form and not copy all the data on the original document would be against the law. Where these files have to be accessible and provisions have to be made for examining them, it would be misleading for the Department of Health to say that the information on the original Certificate of Live Birth is no longer available. Under Hawaii Revised Stautes 338-18, those with a direct and tangible interest in the record are permitted inspection of public health statistics records. That would include either the microfiche or electronic copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth.

37 posted on 09/27/2009 11:16:45 PM PDT by TheCipher
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To: jws3sticks

That is as good if not better than anything Barry has displayed for his sycophantic media whelps to tout as ‘genuine’ proof.


38 posted on 09/27/2009 11:16:56 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

thanks.

Let’s keep reminding everyone of the mounting evidence in direct contravention to their statements.

You cannot overcome the inconsistencies, after a while.


39 posted on 09/27/2009 11:22:12 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Spunky

Someone in the Hawaii records office needs to come out and say - without ambiguity - whether or not they hold a long-form BC for 0bama in any form. Could be paper, could be on microfilm/microfiche, whatever.

If they don’t have it I’ll never believe he was born on U.S. soil.

Until someone produces it, he’s not my president!

What kind of doucheclot would ever be involved with a cypher like 0bama? His family, his friends, his cabinet members, his whole administration... they’re all just as culpable as he is for propagating this hoax on our country.

“F” ‘em all!


40 posted on 09/27/2009 11:22:19 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( I am a proud citizen of GlennBeckistan. ))))
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To: MHGinTN
I picked it up with the following:

Here's a special one for our "Dear Leader", who has spent so much money to hide, repeat hide, his true birth document and the rest of his personal history records. What a total fraud!


41 posted on 09/27/2009 11:24:10 PM PDT by jws3sticks (Sarah Palin forever!)
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To: Frantzie
I don't recall anyone ever admitting that Obama didn't have a long form BC.

Nobody has "admitted" that - but CNN has already floated this trial balloon back in July. I think it was when Lou Dobbs was picking at this issue and his bosses wanted him to drop the subject.

Pretty lame, actually. Jon Klein backed off from that speculation pretty quickly, IIRC.

42 posted on 09/27/2009 11:26:35 PM PDT by Charles Martel (NRA Lifetime Member since 1984; TSRA rookie)
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To: MHGinTN

The first scanned image WAS NOT scanned. It was a computer generated fraud.

There are no, I repeat no, artifacts that typically occur with a scanned image.

No border shadows or bleeds, no creases, incorrect cropping to create a square document, when an original is clearly not square but, in fact, offset and rectangular.

The images are at variance with each other and not consistent with other documents we already have


43 posted on 09/27/2009 11:37:17 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: MHGinTN

Years ago I ordered a certified copy of my long form.

It came back and what it was/is is a printout on photo-sensitive paper of a copy of my original BC from microfiche.

It had the original info about where I was born, info about my parents, the doctors signature, the hospital registrars signature. As well as initials of someone from the Dept of Vital Stats from NYS, and the State seal impressed.
So there may be no “paper” form, per se. But odds are very high that somewhere, there is an image file of sorts.

A single reel of microfiche could hold thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of images.


44 posted on 09/27/2009 11:40:35 PM PDT by djf (I ain't got time to read all the whines!!!)
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To: djf

See my post #37


45 posted on 09/27/2009 11:45:44 PM PDT by TheCipher
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To: TheCipher

OK. I imagine NYS has similar statutes.

And I fubar’d of sorts, because I used to read microfiche from IBM with the viewers, and in fact it does not come on reels (maybe some forms do) but the stuff I dealt with was like 4X6 inch transparencies that resembled photo negatives.


46 posted on 09/27/2009 11:52:03 PM PDT by djf (I ain't got time to read all the whines!!!)
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To: Two Kids' Dad
If as Comrade Obama Jr claims his dad was Barak Hussein Obama Sr, of Kenya,
than it's not possible for Junior to be a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.

At the time of the drafting and ratification of the United States constitution,
the definition of natural born citizen, combined both principles of jus soli and jus sanguinis.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
Emmerich Vattel, Law of Nations, § 212. Of the citizens and natives

47 posted on 09/27/2009 11:58:14 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Everyone signing up after Nov 28, 1997 is a newbie.)
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To: djf

bttt


48 posted on 09/27/2009 11:58:32 PM PDT by RebelTex
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To: djf

I am sure that is what Hawaii used up to 1981. But according to Okubo, all records were transferred to electronic format in 1981. So if they destroyed the microfiche copies, they had to be converted - intact - to an electronic form per Hawaii statutes.


49 posted on 09/28/2009 12:02:08 AM PDT by TheCipher
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I read the OIP op. ltr. no 90-23 on the above site and I noticed that according to statute 338-18 (D) that ALL indexind data related to a birth certificate MUST be revealed to ANYONE requesting it WITHOUT to the ‘standing’ erquired by statute 338-18 (B) which the dept of health is using to shield that data.

I suspect that therefore one can legally request any and all indexing data related to the BC under Hawaii law and it has to be released.

Exactly what that ‘indexing’ data is and what it may reveal may prove interesting. If it shows date and time of material created or submitted, it may give an actual birth date or a date filed or date modified and possibly who may modified the data. Perhaps it may indicate a ‘late filing’ or filing of a birth overseas.

This may be another path to persue by those able to do so.


50 posted on 09/28/2009 12:16:38 AM PDT by dglang
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