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Conservative Republicans feel lost at California convention
Sacramento Bee ^ | Monday, Sep. 28, 2009 | Jack Chang

Posted on 09/28/2009 7:34:20 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

Elaine McKearn is the kind of socially conservative Republican who used to dominate California Republican Party conventions such as the one that concluded Sunday.

The Thousand Oaks resident opposes abortion rights and gay marriage and sees illegal immigration as one of California's main problems. In 2002, the now-66-year-old was so inspired by GOP gubernatorial hopeful Bill Simon that she jumped aboard as a campaign volunteer.

At this convention, however, McKearn said she felt lost. All three of the party's gubernatorial candidates are pro-abortion rights social moderates who make only passing references to immigration, gay marriage, religion and other red-meat conservative social issues.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: California
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I'm the national chairman of America's Independent Party, which is a constitutionalist, personhood pro-life, Reagan Peace through Strength, moral conservative organization.

This story illustrates why our California affiliate, the American Independent Party, is growing fast.

1 posted on 09/28/2009 7:34:20 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

I think small govt republicans can write off California as lost to us forever.


2 posted on 09/28/2009 7:37:46 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: EternalVigilance

I’ll run. I’ve got no money. But I’ll run.


3 posted on 09/28/2009 7:39:52 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: BertWheeler

“I think small govt republicans can write off California as lost to us forever.”

Barring a future north-south partition of the state, I’d have to agree.


4 posted on 09/28/2009 7:41:02 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: EternalVigilance
This is the sort of thing that makes me certain that I will not vote for another RINO. What's the point? The GOP is filled with people who want to act like Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi or John McCain. Who needs that??

I won't vote for anyone who will move this country to the Left. I'll vote for conservative Republicans if they are available, and I'll go third party if I have to.

And I will feel no sense of guilt if the Democrats win. The GOP knows what it needs to do to win and it refuses to do it.

5 posted on 09/28/2009 7:42:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: BertWheeler
Go ahead and write it off. But we refuse to do so.

California is our most populous and most economically important State. It is also the most important state electorally.

California is inhabited still by millions of decent, patriotic Americans who deserve true representation. Like all the other states in the Union, there are still more citizens who self-identify as conservative than there are those who call themselves liberal.

Unfortunately, the Republican Party has failed to represent them. If they had, conservatives and conservative principles would be in control instead of hard left radicals.

6 posted on 09/28/2009 7:45:45 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: onedoug

Good. We’re looking for a thousand true conservative candidates in CA alone. Email me and I’ll direct you to the folks you need to talk to: candidates@aipnews.com.


7 posted on 09/28/2009 7:46:59 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

That’s pretty much where me and all those I associate with are at as well.


8 posted on 09/28/2009 7:47:46 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Third parties don’t work. All you guys ever do is run people for president. How about runnign serious candidates at the local level and start at the bottom like everyone else? Then maybe you’ll have a chance of electing a dogcatcher every now and then.


9 posted on 09/28/2009 7:48:07 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: EternalVigilance
All three of the party's gubernatorial candidates are pro-abortion rights social moderates who make only passing references to immigration, gay marriage, religion and other red-meat conservative social issues.

Quit whinning. Go field a candidate and win the primary and general election.

Whining is for democrats and losers.

10 posted on 09/28/2009 7:48:47 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: EternalVigilance

As we devolve into third world politics through continued massive immigration invasion and race crap of all kinds this will get way worse and not just in CA.


11 posted on 09/28/2009 7:49:13 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Cacique

We’re lining up candidates at all levels. And we’re endorsing them based on principle, not something so meaningless as party labels.


12 posted on 09/28/2009 7:49:51 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: staytrue

How is pointing out that the GOP is running nothing but hardcore Leftists for Governor of California “whining”?


13 posted on 09/28/2009 7:51:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: Altura Ct.

Actually I think it is both refreshing and wise that the GOP does not have a clear leader at the moment.

Wise because a leader would make the left go into overdrive to find something damaging against the person unless it is someone like Palin that has been so thoroughly trashed already that any further trashing would seem way over the top as well as just plain mean, nasty and cruel to the max.


14 posted on 09/28/2009 7:51:54 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Altura Ct.

You’re right. They’re making it more and more difficult to save the country. Which only illustrates the fact that we better get our heinies in gear before it is too late.


15 posted on 09/28/2009 7:52:33 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: EternalVigilance
social moderates liberals Fixed.
16 posted on 09/28/2009 7:59:40 AM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: EternalVigilance
The way our election system is structured, all a third party would accomplish would be to ensure a Dem win by splitting the conservative vote.

The ONLY way out is to have an organization, independent of the official Republican party machine, which will locate good conservative candidates willing to run in the Republican primary, and finance their primary campaigns.

17 posted on 09/28/2009 8:01:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: darkangel82

Unless CA goes bankrupt there won’t be any change. Maybe it will with either a Pub or Rat as Gov. None of the GOP candidates think they can get elected on a conservative platform and it is impossible to be a social liberal and a fiscal liberal.
I am debating whether to register as a Rat to try and help get the most radical idiot possible as Gov. The sooner the state goes down, the better chance we have of fixing it.


18 posted on 09/28/2009 8:05:08 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: EternalVigilance

The end of the California Republican party was ensured when Bush and Rove pulled the rug out from under Bill Simon.

Even without their support, and with hardly any funding from the stooge whom Rove installed as head of the state party, Simon only lost to Gray Davis by 3%.

I know a lot of Freepers badmouthed Simon. But he was a real conservative, an honest man, and an experienced executive. He had the entire media against him, no campaign funds to speak of, and constant sniping from his own party to contend with. But he almost won anyway, and would have made a really great governor. Well, that chance is gone.

Arnold was the end. He was imposed by Bush and Rove, once again. The party will never recover from his feckless incompetence. He has managed to screw up the budget even worse than Gray Davis managed to do, all the while plugging for abortion rights and the rest of the left-wing agenda.


19 posted on 09/28/2009 8:16:04 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: PapaBear3625

Hi PapaBear - In elections where the Republicans and Democrats alike nominate socialist candidates, the presence of a conservative on the ballot is a good thing. The DemoGOPs will split the liberal vote. A strong campaign for a conservative choice in such cases can win elections in every state. If the GOP, or even Democrats, nominate a candidate who supports America’s Principles, by all means, support him or her. But if not, it’s a good idea to have ballot access for a better choice. In California, AIP has the ballot line. Other states need conservatives help now in getting the same structure in place. I’m working with folks in Maryland to do that, and I urge all freepers of good will to do the same in your state.


20 posted on 09/28/2009 8:18:41 AM PDT by Steve Schulin (Cheap electricity gives your average Joe a life better than kings used to enjoy)
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To: PapaBear3625

An excellent suggestion.


21 posted on 09/28/2009 8:19:15 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: PapaBear3625

An excellent suggestion.


22 posted on 09/28/2009 8:19:35 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: EternalVigilance
It's important to take back the Republican Party, not throw it off. In mostly liberal states, like California and New York, being a conservative Republican doesn't work because the fools in these states have swallowed the cool aid for so long, only the middle of the road Republicans can get elected. Something is better than nothing in these states.

Unfortunatelly, the people in these states don't get it. They don't realize that you can't split your ticket. There is a real danger with the Democrats and they just don't see it.

If we want to be a strong country, we can't throw away something that is mediocre, we need to strengthen it.

WE can't just "not get it," we have to get to the root of the problems ourselves. In the states that are mostly conservative, vote very conservative candidates into office.

23 posted on 09/28/2009 8:20:14 AM PDT by mia
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To: Ev Reeman

Let’s face it, true Liberals are really cruel people. The people I know in the Northeast, are so consumed with Liberal think, that they are vicious. I’m having all I can do to have my grandchildren look at things from both sides.


24 posted on 09/28/2009 8:24:26 AM PDT by mia
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To: Steve Schulin
Hi PapaBear - In elections where the Republicans and Democrats alike nominate socialist candidates, the presence of a conservative on the ballot is a good thing. The DemoGOPs will split the liberal vote. A strong campaign for a conservative choice in such cases can win elections in every state.

You're right, as far as this being a good strategy FOR THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY. In your example, you have 3 RINO primary candidates. If you put in a 4th candidate who was a strong conservative, then all the people who wanted a strong conservative would vote for him, and the RINO vote would be split three ways. This would result in an actual conservative being the Republican candidate.

25 posted on 09/28/2009 8:26:35 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: mia

I agree. True conservatives need to take back the party and they need to do it now. All the people at the grass roots level and in every state need to put the RINOs on notice and tell them if they do not support true conservative principles, ideals and values, they too will be gone next November along with all the democrats.


26 posted on 09/28/2009 8:28:06 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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“In your example” should read “in the article’s example”


27 posted on 09/28/2009 8:28:53 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: mia

Liberals are the most intolerant racist bullies and cowards alive.


28 posted on 09/28/2009 8:29:39 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Cicero

Bill Simon endorses Meg Whitman! Perhaps, he never saw this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSn37TMXZO8

Or, perhaps, it doesn’t matter!


29 posted on 09/28/2009 8:41:27 AM PDT by old school
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To: EternalVigilance

Republicans write off Kalifornia? Well hell, there hasn’t BEEN an actual republican Governor in the state for YEARS! Who knows how a true conservative might do!


30 posted on 09/28/2009 8:42:59 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: PapaBear3625
“which will locate good conservative candidates willing to run in the Republican primary,”

And get more conservatives involved in the party mechanisms where all the decisions are made.

31 posted on 09/28/2009 8:45:29 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just say no to Soylent Green health care)
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To: old school

Well, I’m sorry for that, if so.

I do know that Bill Simon, after having been sabotaged by his own party, left politics and vanished from the political scene. I also know that he is, or he was, a good, conservative Catholic in the footsteps of his father.

Maybe it’s a lesser evil thing. But we’ve seen how that turns out, with Arnold. Was Arnold better than Bustamente? I’m not sure. He maybe refrained from doing some of the things that Busty would have done, but he did most of them, and managed to give Republicans a bad name for fiscal incompetence to boot.


32 posted on 09/28/2009 8:59:49 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: PapaBear3625

All of the key power centers of your party are controlled by liberals and lying unprincipled hacks. They have the power and the purse strings. They are using that power to push leftist candidates, while claiming that conservatives “can’t win.”

How are you going to change that? They’re not going to just hand their power over to you. It’s too lucrative.


33 posted on 09/28/2009 9:08:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
And get more conservatives involved in the party mechanisms where all the decisions are made. L

Yeah, the liberals who run the party can always use some more good conservative window dressing.

34 posted on 09/28/2009 9:10:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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“Yeah, the liberals who run the party can always use some more good conservative window dressing.

Only if those involved let that happen.

Everyone knows that a very small percentage of people actually get involved in politics. Most people are content to bitch and complain a bit; and then go back to normal.
What will happen with the tea party momentum? I heard a segment over the weekend saying that Obama’s people think they have have weathered the storm and now they will push this through.
Will that happen?
Only if people let up and let it happen. Phone calls, emails, and attendance at town hall meetings will keep the heat on.

35 posted on 09/28/2009 9:26:33 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just say no to Soylent Green health care)
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To: staytrue

Quit whinning. Go field a candidate and win the primary and general election.

Whining is for democrats and losers.

wait ‘til Chuck DeVore wins the primary.

then you’ll hear some whining. ;-]


36 posted on 09/28/2009 9:28:08 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: mia
It's important to take back the Republican Party, not throw it off. In mostly liberal states, like California and New York, being a conservative Republican doesn't work because the fools in these states have swallowed the cool aid for so long, only the middle of the road Republicans can get elected. Something is better than nothing in these states.

BRAVO!!, well stated.

I wish that more people would understand this.

37 posted on 09/28/2009 9:33:10 AM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: ClearCase_guy

The GOP has seen its best days. I believe a third party will form, protecting tax payers rights and it will be the new home of Conservatives.


38 posted on 09/28/2009 9:36:46 AM PDT by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
What will happen with the tea party momentum?

If the Republicans have their way, it will be dissipated into the campaigns of the very people that got us into this mess in the first place. How smart is that?

39 posted on 09/28/2009 9:42:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: reefdiver

http://aipnews.com/mxPage.asp?ID=3


40 posted on 09/28/2009 9:42:56 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: Cicero

I’m not a nativist but as a life-long resident of California, I can assure you that after the “Summer of Love” all the lunatics, from around the nation and the world, beset this State; and it’s never been the same since! We had the best schools, roads and economy in the nation! No more! There remain Conservatives in this State, who have no one to vote for because Republicans in this State are clueless and national Republicans presume to dictate, who will be our elected representatives, by virtue of who they’ll support! If we’re going to lose an election, it may as well be with a candidate. who is truly conservative; not just fiscally but socially! It would, truly, take something cataclysmic, perhaps, an act of God, to restore this State to sanity!


41 posted on 09/28/2009 9:45:49 AM PDT by old school
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To: EternalVigilance

Talk to me when one major city is headed by a conservative Republican.


42 posted on 09/28/2009 9:47:39 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Thank You, Im regestering.


43 posted on 09/28/2009 9:54:25 AM PDT by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
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To: BertWheeler

You miss one hundred percent of the shots you do not take.

Republicans forgot this a long time ago.


44 posted on 09/28/2009 9:56:10 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: BertWheeler

One other thing: if Democrats don’t have to expend any resources to defend their citadels, what do you think they’re doing with their resources?

Armies that give up the initiative always lose the battle. Every time.


45 posted on 09/28/2009 9:57:49 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: EternalVigilance

“Conservative” in Ca, Ma, NY = slightly to the left of “conservatives” in France....


46 posted on 09/28/2009 10:11:04 AM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Cacique

With the communication tools available to us like the internet forums and blogs (at least, for now)....why wouldn’t a third party work....IF that 3rd party was running a true conservative and IF all real conservatives moved ‘en masse’ to that 3rd party, leaving the RINOs and GOP traitors (like McCain, Snow, Collins, Specter, etc.) behind. In conjunction with that campaign, we would have to launch a campaign against the known RINOs in the GOP to illustrate our ‘point’ for the dull-witted.

Why wouldn’t it work?


47 posted on 09/28/2009 10:18:51 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Tzimisce

That’s a myth. All that’s lacking is leadership.

The GOP quit providing that key element quite a while ago.


48 posted on 09/28/2009 10:21:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you're not a Personhood Pro-Lifer, you're a holocaust enabler, either actively or passively.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I hope I’m proven wrong about California and I like to think the Democrats wasting money defending their stronghold there would increase the chances for Republican success elsewhere but it’s a false comparison.

California is becoming more and more hispanic in nature and hispanics don’t oust lefties. They view the outside world with distrust anyway and only want something for nothing. This is why civic participation is expressed by engaging in violent protest and ALWAYS for more govt intervention.

In short, Hispanics just ain’t going to go for small “r” republic with a focus on personal responsibility. And for the rest of California, good luck.

In other parts of the country, Dems will have to win on their own ideas and we’ll see in the future how that pans out.

Good luck to California, they’re going to need it.


49 posted on 09/28/2009 10:21:40 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Says "socially moderate" Tom Campbell, who lost to Dianne Feinstein by 19.3%.
50 posted on 09/28/2009 10:30:13 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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