Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg says her grandson born in Paris is a “natural born” citizen

American Grand Jury ^ | September 28th, 2009

[Man50D]

.. and the fruitloops just keep getting jucier and jucier!

Of course this was posted on an Obot’s website. You can google it if you want. I will not give credence to this website but I will darn sure explain that Ruth Bader Ginsburg is wrong!

Justice Ginsburg:

My grandson was born in Paris of U.S. citizen parents. I had never considered him a naturalized citizen of the United States.

Justice Ginsburg again:

There is a debate over whether my grandson is a natural born citizen. I think he is.

Ruth, grow up and take your collective head out of you know where! Your grandson was born in Paris, France, not the USA. I am now thinking, how long have the parents lived in France? How old is the child? Does the child consider France home too? Does the child speak French, go to French schools, believe Europe is a nice cushy place to practice the NWO. Just where do the child’s loyalties lie?

I will bet you one thing is for sure. As soon as practical after the child was born Ginsburg’s children (parents of the grandson) ran down to the US Consulate in France to submit the paperwork for US citizenship. Just because the law says the child is a US citizen at birth, that doesn’t mean the US is going to let the child inside the Country legally without a US Passport or formal paperwork.

[holden]

So you think SCOTUS is going to rule on this before the end of this session of Congress? I suppose that's possible, however unlikely.

HF

[thecraw]

Think of it this way (if you can): Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by the Law of Nations. Birth outside of US soil would require an act of law to confer citizenship to that child.

The Founding Fathers understood natural law, so why is it so hard for you Obots? Remember his father was a Kenyan national? Even if he was born in Hawaii he would not qualify under natural law.

[mlo]

"I was born in Paris while my Dad was in the military. Both of my parents were born in the USA. It has always been my understanding that I can't run for President, because I wasn't born on US soil."

You're understanding is incorrect. Although being born on US soil would be sufficient in itself, regardless of other circumstances, it is not the only way of being a natural born citizen. All "natural born citizen" means is that one is a citizen by birth. Since you were a citizen at birth, because of your parents, you are a natural born citizen.

[mlo]

Nonsense.

[John Valentine]

Natural Born? I think not. Look at this exchange in the arguments in Tuan Anh Nguyen v. INS:

Justice Souter: Maybe it would be simpler if I asked the... I think I can ask the question a different way.

Do you think that the... the... the act of recognizing citizenship here for children born abroad is naturalization within the meaning of the naturalization clause?

Mr. Davis: Yes, Your Honor, it is naturalization within the meaning of the constitutional naturalization clause.

Naturalization CANNOT be Natural Born.

[John Valentine]

I have said nothing on the subject of any Supreme Court action.

[thecraw]

Nonsense.

It's only nonsense to you because you are in the tank for your hero Barry Soetoro.

[Clemenza]

Even if he was born in Hawaii he would not qualify under natural law.

Over 100 years of legal precedent since the 13th and 14th have effectively conferred citizenship on ANYONE born in our borders (ie birthright citizenship). Why do you think that even the children of illegals born here have citizenship, as they have for several decades?

Whatever you think about "original intent" is irrelevant in the face of existing legal opinion.

[John Valentine]

So you believe neither presidential candidate was a natural born citizen?

In the case of Barack H. Obama, the case is clear cut. His father was not a US citizen and not even a green card holder. He was merely in the United States on a student visa. Barack Obama was born a citizen of Kenya by his own admission, and even if he were also a US citizen by birth, he was NOT a Natural Born Citizen as required by the Constitution to be eligible to the Presidency. I consider his presidency to be invalid and void.

In the case of John McCain, the case could be made for Natural Born Citizenship if he had been born in the Panama Canal Zone, which was US soverign territory. However, that is not the case. He was born in the Republic of Panama, and although he is most certainly a US citizen by birth as a result of the operation of statute, he is also not a Natural Born Citizen as that term is properly understood under the Constitution, even if that seems manifestly unfair and unjust.

[John Valentine]

Birthright citizenship is NOT coextensive with Natural Born Citizenship.

[John Valentine]

All "natural born citizen" means is that one is a citizen by birth.

Really. That statement is absolute horse manure. Where do you get this crap?

[holden]

Though you didn't say or write anything about dependence upon SCOTUS action, your use of the term "Constitutionally disqualified" implies an adjudication thereof, rather than a mere allegation, does it not?

Do you believe a lowly Federal judge is going to (be allowed to) enjoin Barry and his czarist minions from their ongoing dictatorial acts?

HF

[thecraw]

Over 100 years of legal precedent since the 13th and 14th have effectively conferred citizenship on ANYONE born in our borders (ie birthright citizenship). Why do you think that even the children of illegals born here have citizenship, as they have for several decades? Whatever you think about "original intent" is irrelevant in the face of existing legal opinion.

Why do you Obots continue to try to confuse the issue? There is no civil right to be president. Natural Born Citizen is a unique requirement to be president. A citizen that became a citizen by the action of law is NOT a natural born citizen. Period!

[John Valentine]

You are correct. MLO is FOS.

[Natufian]

Thanks :-)

[John Valentine]

Do you believe a lowly Federal judge is going to (be allowed to) enjoin Barry and his czarist minions from their ongoing dictatorial acts?

I certainly do. I also expect it will be appealed immediately, and given the extraordinary immediacy of the issue, I expect that action up and down the judicial system will be swift indeed.

[longtermmemmory]

To even CLAIM citizenship one of the us citizen parents had to live in the USA continuously for ten years.

I think Ginsberg is just trying to justify SOMETHING and she is not telling.

[John Valentine]

I looked at the code reference you provide and that is indeed current law, but it is NOT the law as in effect in 1961, the year Ann Dunham gave birth. I will try to find (and I have seen this timelined very well somewhere) a legislative history of this section of code. But you have to understand that I don’t have unlimited time to devote to the education of others. You ought to do your own research, as I did.

[holden]

Yes, agreed.
HF

[Mr. Blonde]

So who gets to decide what qualifies as Natural Born Citizen? Do you think the “deciders” are going to disqualify Obama? Or is it much more likely if they even hear the case that whatever Natural Born Citizen meant in the past will become equivalent to the statutory definition of citizen.