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Extended School Year Would Have Dire Economic Effects, Critics Say
Fox News ^ | 9/29/09 | Cristina Corbin

Posted on 09/29/2009 10:00:08 AM PDT by Nachum

If the academic year gets pushed deeper into summer, as President Obama is advocating, the grumbling will not be limited just to students and teachers who will be forced to spend more days in school.

Critics say the president's call for a longer academic calendar and a shorter summer vacation will bring on a host of unintended consequences -- including increased costs for school systems, major cuts to the nation's hotel and tourism industries, and a serious blow to summer camp operators.

Obama says kids in the U.S. spend too little time in the classroom, putting them at a disadvantage when competing with students in other countries. The president has suggested that making school days longer and extending the school year will increase learning, raise test scores and close the achievement gap.

But while Obama's proposal is meant to improve education, critics say a curtailed summer vacation will have a dire economic impact on school systems, which could be forced to retrofit their schools for air conditioning, pay overtime to teachers and incur higher utility costs

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KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; bhofascism; democrats; economic; economy; education; extended; fubo; indoctrination; publiceducation; publicschools; school; unemployment; year
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1 posted on 09/29/2009 10:00:09 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping


2 posted on 09/29/2009 10:00:48 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

More time to indoctrinate.


3 posted on 09/29/2009 10:01:59 AM PDT by manic4organic (We Are S0 Screwed)
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To: Nachum

Let me see here. My school district this year cut three days from our work year. Now, Obozo wants to increase the number of days and the number of hours per day that students are in school. So, those of us working in public education are going to be expected to work more time, but for less pay?????


4 posted on 09/29/2009 10:03:11 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: Nachum

Not only that, but there will be a lack of kids available for summer employment.


5 posted on 09/29/2009 10:03:21 AM PDT by Pessimist (u)
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To: Nachum

His rapidly falling poll numbers have convinced him that he needs more time to indoctrinate our kids.


6 posted on 09/29/2009 10:03:28 AM PDT by vg0va3 (I don't plan to quit the fight until it is finally over.)
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To: manic4organic
I believe Obama should have introduced his proposal in his propaganda speech to students.
7 posted on 09/29/2009 10:03:48 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: Nachum
Once again, the jOker opens his mouth before thinking.

WHAT A GREAT PRESIDENT WE HAVE...

...not...

8 posted on 09/29/2009 10:04:00 AM PDT by kromike
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To: Nachum

I would support year round school if it wasn’t for the fact that I know that most of the schools in America waste a lot of time as it is stepping outsides the bounds of “reading, writing and arithmetic”.


9 posted on 09/29/2009 10:04:28 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (http://koreanforniancooking.blogspot.com/)
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To: Nachum

Outside of the fact that it would devastate the tourism industry, consider the cost to air condition schools or the energy costs of running those air conditioners.

And talk to me about kids in Arizona and Texas riding to school on unairconditioned buses in the middle of July.


10 posted on 09/29/2009 10:04:55 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands ("Failed Obama Administration" (TM))
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To: Nachum

I have come to the conclusion that WHATEVER this guys suggests we do, we should instead do exactly the opposite and we’ll be just fine.


11 posted on 09/29/2009 10:05:08 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: Nachum
Raising children incapable of competing globally will have even more dire economic consequences.

That being said, I think the problem lies in the quality of education American children receive, not the quantity.

12 posted on 09/29/2009 10:05:16 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Nachum
"Barack Obama", says Michelle Obama, "is going to demand that you shed your cynicism, that you put down your divisions, that you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones, that you push yourself to be better and that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved and uninformed."
13 posted on 09/29/2009 10:05:24 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: Nachum

That’s the intent. Break the country and in so doing, indoctrinate!


14 posted on 09/29/2009 10:06:31 AM PDT by albie
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To: Nachum; All

“Obama says kids in the U.S. spend too little time in the classroom, putting them at a disadvantage when competing with students in other countries.”

This is actually a misconception.

While American kids spend fewer days in school, they spend more hours than even places like Japan.


15 posted on 09/29/2009 10:07:08 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: newgeezer

Interesting.


16 posted on 09/29/2009 10:07:13 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Love your neighbor as you love yourself.)
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To: Nachum
All this will do is allow the crack-addicted "parents" more free time to pursue their habits, and the government will subsidize their daycare.

Besides, I thought our public schools were failing? If they suck for 9 months out of the year, will 10 or 11 months be a good idea?

17 posted on 09/29/2009 10:07:38 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (Islam is a trojan horse designed to infiltrate and bring down Western civilization.)
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To: manic4organic

Don’t forget more time to waste, in my experience there could be a great deal more value added.


18 posted on 09/29/2009 10:07:56 AM PDT by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: Drew68

While quality is most assuredly a huge problem, the long summer break is as well. Most of the first semester each year is spent remembering all the stuff they need from last year to move forward. I think it would be a much better system to get 2 weeks or so off every quarter and let them go year round. It is my preferred method for homeschooling as well.


19 posted on 09/29/2009 10:09:11 AM PDT by wombtotomb (Equal opportunity does not mean equal OUTCOME!!)
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To: Tamar1973
The simple truth of the matter is that American schools are basically taxpayer-funded day care centers, and extending the school year makes it easier to get more adults into the work force.

This is the underlying pressure behind all of these measures -- including not only extending the school year, but starting school earlier in childhood, extending the school day, serving more meals at school, etc.

20 posted on 09/29/2009 10:09:13 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: Nachum

The tendency by both parties to leap into nice sounding ideas based on shallow and narrow thinking without deeper consideration of the wide range of ramifications and longer term consequences is amazing. Stupid people do this a lot.


21 posted on 09/29/2009 10:09:56 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: rwfromkansas

Which if you combine the two facts seems to indicate that frankly a slightly longer school year (maybe 15 days) combined with a slightly shorter school day by an hour or so is the best solution.


22 posted on 09/29/2009 10:10:23 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Nachum

A better choice would be to emulate Finland’s exceptional educational system in its on emphasis high teacher quality and a demanding curriculum. That would, of course, require breaking the teacher unions and their deadly grip on American education.


23 posted on 09/29/2009 10:11:01 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Nachum

How come schools used to be able to do the job with just 180ish days a year of instruction?


24 posted on 09/29/2009 10:11:30 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: paul51

Problem is...the stupid people don’t even know what they don’t know.
All they know is that they are superior and those who oppose them are dumb hicks.


25 posted on 09/29/2009 10:11:51 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: pnh102

It’s a good point and the same thinking can be applied to spending and taxes.

The left loves spending and taxes - when things get bad they apply more as things get worse and worse.

And with education - not getting the job done right? Let’s add more of the same stuff that’s causing the problem in the first place!


26 posted on 09/29/2009 10:13:34 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Nachum
"Obama says kids in the U.S. spend too little time in the classroom, putting them at a disadvantage when competing with students in other countries."

The problem with education has less to do with how much time is spent in the classroom, and more as how that time is utilized.

What are we competing with the world over???? Who can put a condom on a cucumber in the fastest time, or the entire cradle to grave history of MLK and civil rights?

Maybe a closer focus on long division and less on diversity would be helpful. A couple of classes on business and job training and less on how to fill out welfare forms would be of a great advantage.

A little American history would go a long way in instilling pride into little American brains, and take the edge off worrying about the rest of the world for a while. Of course, the liberal have made it sinful to be proud of our country, haven't they.

Relatively speaking, very few people make their living singing and dancing; but the generation we have now all want to be "stars". We have raised a generation so starved for attention that they will sell their souls to the devil for one round of applause. Those who don't get it, turn to crime, drugs, or just plain bad attitudes because they didn't get theirs.

And last - but not least - DISCIPLINE. So long as the brats are disruptive with bad attitudes and gang/bullly mentalitites, then no learning will make it's way into the little "skulls full of mush".


27 posted on 09/29/2009 10:13:34 AM PDT by FrankR ( We're up to "reverse discrimination"...what's next, "reverse SLAVERY"?)
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To: Nachum
Teachers get a salary, a yearly salary with benefits that run the entire school year. The actual number of days they work is in the neighborhood of ~170. Let's contrast that with Mr. and Mrs. America. 365 days in a year, minus 104 for weekends, 10 for holidays and 10 for vacation. This means that the typical American works 241 days.

So, let's compare salaries based upon work days. Let's not go into the triviliaties of which degree is rougher, education, chemistry, bio-sciences, physics, engineering, law and such. Let's stick to the numbers.

Teachers work a theoretical 170 days, everyone else gets 240. So Teachers work 170/241; or 70.5% of what everyone else works. But wait, that's not fair. Teachers also get vacation time during the school year, because spring and fall break, a month off over Christmas and 3 months over the summer are not enough.

Allowing for this, we find that teachers actually work about 33% fewer days than anyone else. An added plus, is that after as few as 3 years, they cannot be fired - no matter how poorly they perform their job. Wouldn't that be nice?

Or, you could go here and see how rough they have it.

Imagine, paid more than a comparable state worker, getting 15 weeks of paid vacation a year, and having tenure after just 3 years.

28 posted on 09/29/2009 10:14:53 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: roaddog727
I have come to the conclusion that WHATEVER this guys suggests we do, we should instead do exactly the opposite and we’ll be just fine.

LOL. I've been thinking the very same thing ...
29 posted on 09/29/2009 10:17:18 AM PDT by mlizzy (Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapels Everywhere spells P.E.A.C.E.)
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To: Nachum

I think it’s now apparent that there is no area of our lives that BHO doesn’t think he can manage better than we.


30 posted on 09/29/2009 10:17:38 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie (When a president must hire out his real job to 32 czars, he was never CEO material.)
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To: Nachum

If he’s as smart a some people pretend, he would have known this. Or, he knows and he wants to screw the economy anyway.


31 posted on 09/29/2009 10:18:52 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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To: Nachum

So how’s that HOPE and CHANGE working out? Muahahaha


32 posted on 09/29/2009 10:20:11 AM PDT by Debacled
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To: Nachum
"The more time that kids have on being instructed on academic subjects, the more likely they'll score higher."

maybe if they quit teaching kids to sing......."Barrack Hussein Obama, Mmm, Mmm, Mmm"......then they could actually teach reading, writing and 'rithmatic.

33 posted on 09/29/2009 10:22:23 AM PDT by tioga (Drip, Drip, Drip.........the ACORNS are falling.)
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To: Nachum

My son asked me last night if I could homeschool him - if this came about. I don’t think this is going to go over well with anyone. Kids have a life after 3:00 - sports, being with their families, doing homework, maybe a pt job, or just playing and being children.

This administration seems to think that all kids are in situations like those kids in Chicago we saw in the video. He’s spent so much time community organizing that he doesn’t understand life outside of urban dwelling. Many, many children are being raised well, involved in academics, sports, and are handling responsibility. But, he only concentrates on the problems and lumps all the other children together.


34 posted on 09/29/2009 10:22:35 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: pnh102

because back thrn, they were for education.


35 posted on 09/29/2009 10:22:52 AM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: mlizzy

Yeah, it would be too funny if it weren’t so serious.

Mr. Obama: Omnia Quae Scis Falent!


36 posted on 09/29/2009 10:22:59 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: Nachum

Aw crap there goes that logic stuff again. Where are my magic powers Soros promised me?


37 posted on 09/29/2009 10:23:59 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Tamar1973

It would be a stimulus bill for Hollywood because the demand for more DVDs would skyrocket to fill the extra time.


38 posted on 09/29/2009 10:24:12 AM PDT by metalcor
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To: Nachum

Our students attend school more hours than the students in countries that are out performing ours. It’s not about sending more dollars, it’s not about more hours in school. It is about what is now and has been for the last 20 years, been taught and what has been left out. Longer hours simply means more hours to indoctrinate them.

Weep for your Children America, they are coming for your children.


39 posted on 09/29/2009 10:24:19 AM PDT by Freddd
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To: Nachum

I’d think we’d want to get a higher percentage of students passing what they get now, and graduating.


40 posted on 09/29/2009 10:24:25 AM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: Nachum

The extended school year would have great economic, social benefit for a nation of free people IF the students would actually learn more history, math, science, geography, English, etc. They should learn about triple what they presently learn — and they could do that since they don’t learn much now.


41 posted on 09/29/2009 10:24:32 AM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: wombtotomb
While quality is most assuredly a huge problem, the long summer break is as well. Most of the first semester each year is spent remembering all the stuff they need from last year to move forward. I think it would be a much better system to get 2 weeks or so off every quarter and let them go year round. It is my preferred method for homeschooling as well.

I was raised in a year-round school system comprised of three "tracks" with each track having two short breaks a year (vice one long one) and everyone getting the various holidays off. I thought it was wonderful! It kept classes small and teachers employed year round. It also made it easier for high school kids to find jobs as there were always young people available for employment during the weekdays.

After I graduated, my school district returned to the traditional model. I never understood why. Year-round seemed to have so many advantages.

42 posted on 09/29/2009 10:24:40 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: tioga; All

any homeschooling moms out there? I always figured that without all the “extra” stuff kids get that a home-schooled kid could be done before noon each day with all his class work complete. how far off am I?


43 posted on 09/29/2009 10:24:52 AM PDT by tioga (Drip, Drip, Drip.........the ACORNS are falling.)
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To: Nachum
Obama says kids in the U.S. spend too little time in the classroom, putting them at a disadvantage when competing with students in other countries. The president has suggested that making school days longer and extending the school year will increase learning, raise test scores and close the achievement gap.

Hey, Obama, you friggin moron! Private schools, charter schools, and home schools don't have any problem at all "competing with" students in other countries. So your answer is to make kids spend even more time in school, especially those sh--hole schools that your buddy, Arnie Duncan, was in charge of in Chicago where good students are bludgeoned to death for refusing to join gangs? Go back to Indonesia or Kenya and leave us in peace.
44 posted on 09/29/2009 10:27:45 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Nachum

bump


45 posted on 09/29/2009 10:35:28 AM PDT by VOA
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To: manic4organic

“More time to indoctrinate.”

Nah! Our President must be planning to use that extra month to round out the kiddie’s education by adding math, science, reading, and history to their curriculum.


46 posted on 09/29/2009 10:35:55 AM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: tioga
You aren't very far off. And in the extra hours, the kids get extras that public educated kids don't get - cooking, trips to the zoo, museums, etc. In many districts, the homeschooled kids may participate in school district sports too.

Gosh, when I was in high school (many moons ago) I went to school from 8:10 until 12:20 and had my 4 majors, 2 periods of PE, 1 health and a 2 period elective in that time.

47 posted on 09/29/2009 10:37:15 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: Nachum

The problem isn’t that the school year is long enough. The problem is that nothing is being taught during those nine months.


48 posted on 09/29/2009 10:39:39 AM PDT by ksm1
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To: Nachum
Obama says kids in the U.S. spend too little time in the classroom, putting them at a disadvantage when competing with students in other countries.

Hmmmm...somewhat true. Japan and Europe's children do spend 230, 210 days, respectively, in school versus our 180 days....BUT the Obama statement above should correctly state...

kids in the U.S. spend too little of their time in the classroom on basic/advanced academic skills...

49 posted on 09/29/2009 10:41:37 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen ("All that's necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.")
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To: Nachum

More time with the kids to brainwash them


50 posted on 09/29/2009 10:43:13 AM PDT by Diggity
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