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Americaís evolutionists: Hitlerís inspiration? (These guys could be Zero's public health advisors!)
Creation Magazine ^ | Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D.

Posted on 09/30/2009 8:18:17 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

While the horrors of Germany’s Nazi past are well known, it is a well-kept secret that similar programs were also prevalent in some Allied countries. The award-winning investigative journalist Edwin Black has documented America’s huge selective breeding and forced sterilization program in his book War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America’s Campaign to Create a Master Race...

(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Germany; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; agenda; belongsinreligion; bho44; catholic; christian; corruption; creation; democrats; euthanasia; evangelical; evolution; healthcare; holocaust; intelligentdesign; israel; judaism; liberalfascism; moralabsolutes; notasciencetopic; obama; obamacare; palin; prolife; propellerbeanie; protestant; science; socializedmedicine; sterilization

1 posted on 09/30/2009 8:18:18 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 09/30/2009 8:19:37 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Numbers 5

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

2 Command the children of Israel, that they put out of the camp every leper, and every one that hath an issue, and whosoever is defiled by the dead:

3 Both male and female shall ye put out, without the camp shall ye put them; that they defile not their camps, in the midst whereof I dwell.

4 And the children of Israel did so, and put them out without the camp: as the LORD spake unto Moses, so did the children of Israel.


3 posted on 09/30/2009 8:21:31 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: GodGunsGuts

So why do they get so mad when we compare them to Nazis?


4 posted on 09/30/2009 8:25:04 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: GodGunsGuts

People have traced the line from Darwin to Sanger to Hitler many times.


5 posted on 09/30/2009 8:26:14 AM PDT by cvq3842 (I don't ask what my country can do for me - I ask my government to STOP doing things TO me!)
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To: qam1

While your quote may be correct it is being used out of the context of this article.


6 posted on 09/30/2009 8:26:29 AM PDT by stockpirate ("I came NOT to bring peace but a sword." - Jesus Christ)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Comparing evolutionists to Nazis now?

Good luck with that tactic.


7 posted on 09/30/2009 8:26:41 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


8 posted on 09/30/2009 8:26:52 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: marstegreg

Because, as the article points out, it was the horrors of the Nazi holocaust that discredited the fascist public health movement.


9 posted on 09/30/2009 8:28:21 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: cvq3842

In the case of the fascist public health movement, too much exposure is not enough!


10 posted on 09/30/2009 8:29:24 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Margaret Sanger's "Pivot of Civilization" (1922) was the "Mein Kampf" of the Darwinian Eugenics movement:

Project Gutenberg

Google Books

11 posted on 09/30/2009 8:29:35 AM PDT by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: qam1

It sure is interesting that the hygiene rules they followed kept them healthy even before people knew about germs.

Too bad the medical community in Simmelweis’s day didn’t follow some of those guidelines. It would have saved a lot of lives. Instead they laughed at him for asking them to wash their hands.


12 posted on 09/30/2009 8:30:15 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

We wouldn’t want to jeopardize the “fascist public health movement, would we?


13 posted on 09/30/2009 8:32:02 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: GodGunsGuts

Yes - I was not dismissive of the effort, just mentioning that people should be well aware of correlations.

Then again, there are many things people should know, but were never taught.

Thanks.


14 posted on 09/30/2009 8:33:31 AM PDT by cvq3842 (I don't ask what my country can do for me - I ask my government to STOP doing things TO me!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Goodwin’s Law goes into effect with the thread title.


15 posted on 09/30/2009 8:49:03 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: Wacka

Godwin’s law is only valid among people who voted for him.


16 posted on 09/30/2009 8:50:57 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.10/godwin.if_pr.html

Voted for him? He’s a lawyer.


17 posted on 09/30/2009 8:55:56 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: tumblindice

Like the race card:

Playing the Hitler Card demonizes opponents in debate by associating them with evil, and almost always derails the discussion. People naturally resent being associated with Nazism, and are usually angered. In this way, playing the Hitler Card can be an effective distraction in a debate, causing the opponent to lose track of the argument. However, when people become convinced by guilt by association arguments that their political opponents are not just mistaken, but are as evil as Nazis, reasoned debate can give way to violence. So, playing the Hitler Card is more than just a dirty trick in debate, it is often “fighting words”.
(From the Fallacy Files, the Hitler Card)


18 posted on 09/30/2009 9:14:19 AM PDT by tumblindice (`Two million Ameros for an ice cold Coca-cola, 2012' M. Steyn)
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To: tumblindice
So’s my brother. I don't obey his laws either.
19 posted on 09/30/2009 9:15:41 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: tumblindice

The difference is of course the the American eugenicists really did want to sterilize people they considered inferior to themselves...and Obama has public health advisors who want to do that right now!


20 posted on 09/30/2009 9:24:59 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Ozone34

And that blood-thirsty eugeniac is still celebrated by Planned Parenthood to this day!


21 posted on 09/30/2009 9:27:06 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
This might interest you, an interview with an elderly, pathetic, broken women:

The Mike Wallace Interview: Margaret Sanger (1957)

22 posted on 09/30/2009 9:43:43 AM PDT by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Madison Grant

Hey, he loved animals.

23 posted on 09/30/2009 9:46:07 AM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: Wacka

Every invalid argument always devolves to “Nazi!”

It is the signature of a week mind, and is best described as “Cartoony”


24 posted on 09/30/2009 9:48:49 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Eugenics has a long history in America. In 1915 Harry Haiselden, a Chicago physician and eugenicist, convinced a mother to let her disabled newborn die by withholding any care. This was his practice but there was no fear of prosecution, in fact a movie (The Black Stork) was made about it, remade and shown for years.

Thus when Nazi doctors were put on trial at Nuremberg they pointed to American eugenics laws and practices as a defense particularly the Holmes court decision.

The abortion industry is just the latest step down the slope.

25 posted on 09/30/2009 10:12:24 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Very interesting stuff. Have you seen the movie?


26 posted on 09/30/2009 11:08:15 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

No, I don’t think it’s even available for viewing anymore. I would guess, and it’s just a guess, that any and all available copies would be locked away. I’m thinking it’s not the sort of thing the eugenics community would want circulated widely.


27 posted on 09/30/2009 11:33:58 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: cvq3842
Yes - I was not dismissive of the effort, just mentioning that people should be well aware of correlations.

How about the correlation between Martin Luther and Hitler?

28 posted on 09/30/2009 12:46:03 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

I am aware of scholarship attempting to link them as well, and the criticism of that scholarship.


29 posted on 09/30/2009 12:52:51 PM PDT by cvq3842 (I don't ask what my country can do for me - I ask my government to STOP doing things TO me!)
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To: tumblindice; GodGunsGuts; metmom

Ummmm....how does the Hitler card play when I dunno...
Ah’m-a-all-in-for-jihad plays it?

You know...right after he denies the holocaust and/or declares he’ll wipe Israel off the map?

That’s what this reminds me an awful lot of...well that and

Al Sharpton squealing “that’s racist”...any and everytime someone questions the zerrhoid.

One can’t question the motives of evos or their cult, or rightly point out the obvious perils of demanding a materialistic world at any and all costs while suing Christians out of the discussion that merely say...

errrrrr...”wait a minute”...

where 100% of each and every question of evolution, benign, serious or otherwise is always met with “religious attack on science”.


30 posted on 09/30/2009 5:27:21 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: xcamel; GodGunsGuts; metmom
Every invalid argument always devolves to “Nazi!”

It is the signature of a week mind, and is best described as “Cartoony”

No, that's just your "week" minded projections...

besides most of your arguments BEGIN with "Christian-taliban" drivel, so to pretend as though you're capable of making some kind of coherent point on FR...

begs the question...

and is enormously humorous, speaking of "cartoony"...you've become a caricature of yourself

Why DO you troll here?

31 posted on 09/30/2009 6:22:43 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: xcamel; GodGunsGuts; metmom
Every invalid argument always devolves to “Nazi!”

It is the signature of a week mind, and is best described as “Cartoony”

No, that's just your "week" minded projections...

besides most of your arguments BEGIN with "Christian-taliban" drivel, so to pretend as though you're capable of making some kind of coherent point on FR...

begs the question...

and is enormously humorous, speaking of "cartoony"...you've become a caricature of yourself

Why DO you troll here?

32 posted on 09/30/2009 6:23:41 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; metmom; All

I’ve gotten slammed for the comparisons (and enjoyed every minute of it).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312276/posts

Keep up the good work, GX3!


33 posted on 09/30/2009 8:21:48 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Snakes in the Whitehouse, Idiots in the pressroom.)
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To: tpanther

LOL!


34 posted on 09/30/2009 8:37:05 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Gordon Greene

Hey, you haven’t been pinging me to your Fractured Republic threads lately, what gives?


35 posted on 09/30/2009 8:43:34 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Not much time to write... I’ve just started a new job.

I’m gonna get back to it. It just seemed to be taking a lot of time and not taking off. Any suggestions?

I’m also open to submissions (if you know anybody who’d want to contribute brains and verbiage to the cause). It pays nothing, but I’m more interested in making a point than making money. That’s why I haven’t forked over the dough to get it off of the free server. If the views go up, I’ll definitely do it though. Thanks for Axing...


36 posted on 09/30/2009 8:47:21 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - Snakes in the Whitehouse, Idiots in the pressroom.)
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To: tpanther

The “Waaahhh! You’re a Nazi!” argument is a favorite among liberals. Since the facts are not on their side, they have to resort to name-calling and playing the Nazi card. Such tactics are popular with militant, angry creationists for the same reason.

Before you attack evolutionists with such passion and hatred, maybe you should spend a little time learning what evolution is and what it isn’t. Darwin’s theory of evolution is simply a way of explaining how different species came to be. It is not any kind of religious or anti-religious statement. It has nothing to do with materialism, eugenics, Nazism, or Obama’s health care plan.

Once you understand what evolution truly is, there should be no need for foaming-at-the-mouth accusations of “Nazi!” If you agree with Darwin, great; if you disagree, you should be able to disagree respectfully. Your baseless accusations of “Nazi!” and “Racist!” are just as worthless as the very same accusations that constantly come out of the mouths of Obama and his liberal toadies.

Oh, and it’s ironic that you compare evolutionists to Ahmadinejad, since he’s a creationist.


37 posted on 09/30/2009 9:17:05 PM PDT by JillValentine (I dream of the day when 'Obama' ceases to be a Pavlovian word.)
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To: marstegreg
So why do they get so mad when we compare them to Nazis?

What do you expect from someone that tosses out the worlds knowledge base in astronomy, physics, biology and geology in order to say that the earth is 6000 years old.

38 posted on 09/30/2009 9:22:36 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: JillValentine; GodGunsGuts; metmom; Agamemnon; YHAOS

The “Waaahhh! You’re a Nazi!” argument is a favorite among liberals. Since the facts are not on their side, they have to resort to name-calling and playing the Nazi card. Such tactics are popular with militant, angry creationists for the same reason.

Before you attack evolutionists with such passion and hatred, maybe you should spend a little time learning what evolution is and what it isn’t. Darwin’s theory of evolution is simply a way of explaining how different species came to be. It is not any kind of religious or anti-religious statement. It has nothing to do with materialism, eugenics, Nazism, or Obama’s health care plan.

Once you understand what evolution truly is, there should be no need for foaming-at-the-mouth accusations of “Nazi!” If you agree with Darwin, great; if you disagree, you should be able to disagree respectfully. Your baseless accusations of “Nazi!” and “Racist!” are just as worthless as the very same accusations that constantly come out of the mouths of Obama and his liberal toadies.

Oh, and it’s ironic that you compare evolutionists to Ahmadinejad, since he’s a creationist.


That’s funny...I love projecto-liberals that demand people do this or that...while completely ignoring that I didn’t write the article...and didn’t post it either!

I only attacked the obvious liberal hypocrite that begins each attack with Christian-taliban drivel!

And it would help to actually read the articles...then you’d have understood it was the common ancestors of nazis...not actual nazis in the first place!

After all, it’s you cultists that are always yammering on and on about “we’re not from apes, but share a common ancestor”!!!

Soooo one would think you’d have noticed the difference!

SHEESH!

And you didn’t get the Bezerkley memo either?

Odd...isn’t it how so many evo FReepers haven’t gotten the memo that in evolution 101, they make origins the business of evolution...which can no more be separated than the implications of eugenics or materialism is from evolution!

BTW...alot of loons post about the Pope not being a creationist...so how about a source or link on the Iranian nut-job being a creationist?

BTW...I was making a point about playing the Hitler card...so again...how does one play the Hitler card when they really ARE a nazi JillV? (Or were you just hoping no one would notice post #30???)

And since you bring him up...or bring me up, bringing him up...you responded to me on post #31...but I made no mention of him in post 31.

I did in post 30 however...which addresses your girlfriend xcrement’s attacks, who incidentally regularly trolls on here...making a complete spectacle of herself:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2347175/posts?q=1&;page=301#323

#320

and her gem: #286

are you just as always out in left field as your pal xcrement is, JillV?


39 posted on 09/30/2009 10:39:15 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: JillValentine

The reply from tpussy is just precious.
As predictable as sunrise.


40 posted on 10/01/2009 3:34:14 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: ColdWater

Sad, isn’t it?


41 posted on 10/01/2009 3:36:36 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Your arguments get more incoherent as time goes on. The incoherence of this tactic is of Talibanic proportions.


42 posted on 10/01/2009 3:49:39 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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