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Secret surveillance vehicle hits MI's streets, will help crack down on quality-of-life crimes
Staten Island Advance ^ | 28 Sep 2009 | Peter N. Spencer

Posted on 09/30/2009 8:19:44 AM PDT by BGHater

STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- It could be a van with a plumber logo on it or a yellow livery cab. Or maybe it's a generic gray sedan, driven by a man who looks like an accountant.

The only way you will really know what the top-secret surveillance vehicle that recently hit the streets of the Mid-Island's 122nd Precinct looks like is if you get busted in some criminal act.

Similar to the one launched by the Island's MTA police two years ago, the $55,000 high-tech ride was funded by City Councilman James Oddo (R-Mid-Island/Brooklyn) to help combat quality-of-life crimes. The "vehicle" has helped nab dozens of graffiti vandals on and around the Staten Island Railroad.

Oddo had a warning for others:

"People should think long and hard before they do anything wrong, because we are watching."

Advance sources are mum on the exact make and model of the vehicle, but did say it is equipped with a periscope, digital cameras, recorders and some "neat computer stuff."


Councilman James Oddo


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: newyork; statenisland; surveillance
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Note, edited title to fit into title header, correct title:

'Secret surveillance vehicle hits Mid-Island's streets, will help crack down on quality-of-life crimes'

'Oddo had a warning for others:

"People should think long and hard before they do anything wrong, because we are watching."'

1 posted on 09/30/2009 8:19:45 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater

Your editing was well-intetioned, but most of us will think this is about Michigan, one of the few places where you could almost justify this approach.


2 posted on 09/30/2009 8:21:10 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: BGHater

“People should think long and hard before they do anything wrong, because we are watching.”

“The voice of Totalitarianism”

Seems east coast governments have become fascists.


3 posted on 09/30/2009 8:22:20 AM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: BGHater

What exactly is a “quality of life” crime?


4 posted on 09/30/2009 8:23:22 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: edcoil
You have no right to privacy in public.
5 posted on 09/30/2009 8:24:33 AM PDT by stockpirate ("I came NOT to bring peace but a sword." - Jesus Christ)
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To: marstegreg
What exactly is a “quality of life” crime?

wearing white after Labor Day
wearing sox to bed before winter
voting anything but Dem
homeschooling
etc....

6 posted on 09/30/2009 8:26:05 AM PDT by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: BGHater

Mid-Island must have the lowest crime rate in the nation, with no gang problems, drugs, etc etc if they have the time to assign officers to drive around randomly hoping to catch some ordinary citizen in the act of committing a minor offense.


7 posted on 09/30/2009 8:26:25 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: BGHater
"quality-of-life crimes"?, why not just call it vandalism?
8 posted on 09/30/2009 8:26:33 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: marstegreg

Traditionally, they’ve been crimes involving landscaping, garbage and property maintenance. More and more municipalities are cracking down on these due to the foreclosure crisis. I think they’re even going after the banks that took posession of foreclosed and abandoned homes.

Graffiti and vandalism ARE NOT “quality of life” crimes, but PROPERTY CRIMES.


9 posted on 09/30/2009 8:27:47 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: This_far

LOL


10 posted on 09/30/2009 8:29:22 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Why aren’t they targeting street crime? You can fix property, you can’t fix murder.


11 posted on 09/30/2009 8:29:43 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: marstegreg
What exactly is a “quality of life” crime?

That's fascist speak made popular by Giuliani groupies. It's a catchall to justify the criminalization of anything they might not like, up to and including spitting on the sidewalk. "Vandalism" doesn't sound very threatening, but if it's a "quality of life" crime, that justifies shredding the Constitution. And it's wildly popular among the rubes, so politicians of both parties love it.

12 posted on 09/30/2009 8:33:19 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I'd rather be Plaxico Burress than Sean Taylor)
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To: This_far

No, no, no, no: You commit a quality of life crime if your quality of life is too high for the democrat powers that be, who remedy this imbalance by taxing you down to size.


13 posted on 09/30/2009 8:34:20 AM PDT by Jagman (They comport, We deride!)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

I wish they provided statistics as to what kind of crime was actually stopped. This reeks of “Big Brother”.


14 posted on 09/30/2009 8:35:52 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: BGHater

“People should think long and hard before they do anything wrong, because we are watching.”’

Police State?


15 posted on 09/30/2009 8:36:41 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: marstegreg

Farting in an elevator.


16 posted on 09/30/2009 8:38:06 AM PDT by La.daddyrabbit (Born and bred in the briar patch. Liberalism is the sickness, the Democratic party is the asylum.)
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To: BGHater

Animals can be driven crazy by placing too many in too
small a pen.

Homo Sapiens is the only animal that voluntarily does
this to himself.

Robert Anson Heinlein


17 posted on 09/30/2009 8:38:20 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Your comment only applies if you don’t live in Michigan. Those of us who live here, disagree with you.


18 posted on 09/30/2009 8:39:42 AM PDT by exnavy (GOD save the republic)
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To: La.daddyrabbit

Now THAT’S a crime!!!


19 posted on 09/30/2009 8:40:38 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: stockpirate

O, yes you do.


20 posted on 09/30/2009 8:40:52 AM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments
That's fascist speak made popular by Giuliani groupies. It's a catchall to justify the criminalization of anything they might not like, up to and including spitting on the sidewalk.

Fascist? Perhaps to some. What would You do if you were constantly asked for 'donations', had your windshield 'washed', had to 'request' people to not sit/sleep in your business doorway.... ?

You may not like the actions that Giuliani used, but many did and the results were positively noted by many others.

21 posted on 09/30/2009 8:41:36 AM PDT by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: marstegreg

crimes which the local official can charge for being on the wrong side of the rail road tracks after dark.

see also West Palm Beach’s infamous worker ID card for “non residents” traveling in THEIR city...


22 posted on 09/30/2009 8:41:46 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: This_far
Whew! Thank God it's OK to wear socks to bed in winter. I was going to say that if your feet get cold, you're toast, but more accurately I guess you would be, as Bruce Willis said in “The Fifth Element” a “meat Popsicle” if your feet get cold in bed in the winter. Socks work!
23 posted on 09/30/2009 8:42:52 AM PDT by garyhope ( It's world war IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islamofascism.)
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To: longtermmemmory

I don’t know exactly how to feel about this?! Help.


24 posted on 09/30/2009 8:44:08 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: marstegreg

“What exactly is a “quality of life” crime?”

Disagreeing with The Kenyan.
Displaying Joker poster of The Kenyan.
Critcizing Saskwatch’s rag bag clothes.
Listening to Conservative talk radio.


25 posted on 09/30/2009 8:44:27 AM PDT by Fireone (Where's the birth certificate? Who is this guy?)
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To: BGHater
Hah! They should come by my house when my neighbor's kid is practicing guitar at full volume on his amp with the back door open. He sucks. Oh, then one of them tried to sing accompaniment. It sounded like someone stuck a cow in the ass.

Listening to really bad guitar at full volume is a "quality of life" crime.

26 posted on 09/30/2009 8:44:44 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: BGHater
the $55,000 high-tech ride was funded by City Councilman James Oddo

So Councilman Oddo paid for this himself?

27 posted on 09/30/2009 8:45:12 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: edcoil

Already been ruled on by SCOTUS if I recall.


28 posted on 09/30/2009 8:45:38 AM PDT by stockpirate ("I came NOT to bring peace but a sword." - Jesus Christ)
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To: raybbr
‘Listening to really bad guitar at full volume is a “quality of life” crime. ‘

Lol. Please stop, your giving out Gimto interrogations techniques.

29 posted on 09/30/2009 8:46:15 AM PDT by BGHater ("real price of every thing ... is the toil and trouble of acquiring it")
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To: Fireone

I guess we are all racists AND criminals?


30 posted on 09/30/2009 8:46:51 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: stockpirate

That is one of the biggest fallacies that statists have put forth in modern times. My life is not laid bare just because I step outside my front door. I strongly suggest you readjust your line of thinking.


31 posted on 09/30/2009 8:47:44 AM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All of my hate cannot be found, I will not be drowned by your constant scheming)
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To: Jagman
...for the democrat powers that be, who remedy this imbalance by taxing you down to size.

Isn't that 0bama's poverty trickle down program (or was it trickle up?).

32 posted on 09/30/2009 8:48:04 AM PDT by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

A person doesn’t not have a right to privacy in public, that is why it is called “PUBLIC”.

If you had that right I couldn’t go out side and take pictures in the park with other people because I would be violating their right to privacy.


33 posted on 09/30/2009 8:51:13 AM PDT by stockpirate ("I came NOT to bring peace but a sword." - Jesus Christ)
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To: garyhope
Socks work!

Yeah, just don't let 0bama know.

34 posted on 09/30/2009 8:54:49 AM PDT by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: exnavy
Those of us who live here, disagree with you.

Disagree about MI being taken as Michigan, or disagree about surveillance vehicles? Actually, I was thinking more about parts of Detroit for the surveillance, as large parts of Michigan are wonderful. If Obama decided to employ surveillance in Michigan, he'd probably start with Hillsdale College and Ave Maria law school (if they are still there in some form). Also, Michigan has some excellent pro0life orgs. So no, I don't REALLY want undercover surveillance in Michigan.
35 posted on 09/30/2009 8:57:35 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: marstegreg

It really depends on what they are doing with this.

If they have abandoned homes in this area, if the owners are letting the grass grow, crack houses are abounding, then this MIGHT be a good thing.

HOWEVER, I am VERY suspicious when they have to hide the fact they are doing “quality of life” snooping. Do they really need to sneak?

I suspect this is the same company that is doing the absurd redlight cameras for purposes of generating revenue.

IF the company that is doing the snooping is getting paid per citation then this is a very bad thing and quite frankly violates one of the earliest USSC cases which forbit magistrates from earning income from the fines they issue.

I suspect this snooping is about generating money via a private firm and not about actual quality of life.


36 posted on 09/30/2009 9:03:26 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: This_far

See ‘Broken Windows’ theories.

The tolerance of low level anti-social behaviors like vandalism, panhandling, public intoxication, etc., encourages more of the same and other, worse behaviors.

I happen to agree. Back in the days when you could still find public pay phones a local petty drug dealer laid claim to the one on the wall outside the door of the store I worked in.
No one was allowed to use “his” phone as he might miss an “important call”.

The harassment and intimidation began to drive customers away and the police would do nothing.

The owner finally had enough and he and his brothers put the guy in the hospital. The dealer decided to move his business elsewhere.

Legal? No.

On the other hand it was the owner’s money and life the dealer was screwing with, basically spitting in his face and defying him to do anything about it.


37 posted on 09/30/2009 9:04:30 AM PDT by skepsel
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To: stockpirate

If the person you just took a picture of demands you delete it, you have to. You seem to think rights evaporate depending on circumstance. They don’t.


38 posted on 09/30/2009 9:04:32 AM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All of my hate cannot be found, I will not be drowned by your constant scheming)
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To: longtermmemmory

Are ther laws governing what they can and cannot do, or is it up to them? This seems right and wrong at the same time.


39 posted on 09/30/2009 9:07:07 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Little Pig

I am really curious if this is another “make money” survelance speed trap/ticket van company and the legislator funding this is an investor. I am just suspicious of politicians.

Now if this is about catching grafiti artists there seems to be an few much easier ways to do this.


40 posted on 09/30/2009 9:10:40 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Dr. Sivana; BGHater
Your editing was well-intetioned, but most of us will think this is about Michigan...

Not me, I read the article.

41 posted on 09/30/2009 9:19:37 AM PDT by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude; stockpirate
If the person you just took a picture of demands you delete it, you have to. You seem to think rights evaporate depending on circumstance. They don’t.

Huh? News to me. Got something to back that statement up with. As in case law?

42 posted on 09/30/2009 9:23:03 AM PDT by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

No one can legally make you delete a photo taken in public. Not even the cops. Once the photo is taken, it is your property.

There is no expectation of privacy in a public space.


43 posted on 09/30/2009 9:27:34 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: This_far
Not me, I read the article.

The headline should not be misleading or ambiguous so that we don't HAVE to read the article, that is why there are headlines in the first place.
44 posted on 09/30/2009 9:31:17 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: BullDog108

Are you referring to me or the other poster?


45 posted on 09/30/2009 9:33:00 AM PDT by stockpirate ("I came NOT to bring peace but a sword." - Jesus Christ)
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To: stockpirate; MediaMole

I was referring to ex 98C MI Dude’s assertion. I see that MediaMole has given the correct answer.


46 posted on 09/30/2009 9:36:09 AM PDT by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces)
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To: BullDog108

Thanks I’ll check mediamole’s response.


47 posted on 09/30/2009 9:50:37 AM PDT by stockpirate ("I came NOT to bring peace but a sword." - Jesus Christ)
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To: MediaMole; BullDog108

“There is no expectation of privacy in a public space”

That is what I was telling the poster. Thx.


48 posted on 09/30/2009 9:52:09 AM PDT by stockpirate ("I came NOT to bring peace but a sword." - Jesus Christ)
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To: Dr. Sivana
The headline should not be misleading or ambiguous so that we don't HAVE to read the article, that is why there are headlines in the first place.

1. The headline should not be misleading or ambiguouis...

Why not? The story often is. The headline is intended to get you to READ the story. (that's why there are Headline Editors)

2. ...so that we don't HAVE to read the article,

I too miss Carson and the Great Karnak

49 posted on 09/30/2009 9:53:14 AM PDT by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: marstegreg

America was founded as a ‘self governing’ people. We self govern ourselves based on, say the Ten Commandments. We have individual rights and are not governed as a ‘mass’ with everyone only having the same collective rights ( Meaning we all have to do it, or none get to do it). We each separately get to choose, say how to raise our children, what food we eat etc. It is not dictated to us or forced upon us by a dictator or government. We fought tyranny and won. We are now sliding back in to tyranny. If you let it happen.


50 posted on 09/30/2009 10:53:15 AM PDT by Freddd
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