Posted on 10/01/2009 4:55:48 AM PDT by marktwain
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Police said one of two men who tried to steal a pickup truck from a group of people gathered outside a Murray Hill home was shot several times by a homeowner and his friend.
Jacksonville Sheriff's Office Lt. Larry Schmitt said when police arrived at the 3000 block of College Street, they found a man shot multiple times.
According to the police report, Keith Loftin was outside the home with some friends shortly after 2 a.m. when two men asked for a ride in Loftin's truck. Loftin said one of the men pulled a gun on them and forced Loftin into his truck. Loftin told officers that his friend, Barry Smith, ran into the house and returned with a gun and Loftin pulled his own gun from inside the truck.
Police said both Loftin and Smith fired at one of the men, striking him multiple times.
The man shot, identified as Jamel Mobley, 21, of St. Marys, Ga., was taken to Shands-Jacksonville Medical Center and was in stable condition. Police said the second man took off. Police were still looking for him, but they have only a vague description.
The shooting was still under investigation and no charges have been filed. Schmitt said it appeared both the citizens had the guns legally and that it appeared the shooting was in self-defense.
"Based on the facts we've been able to gather so far, that is probably going to be the case," Schmitt said.
Police charged Mobley with armed carjacking.
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The home boys picked the wrong crackers to car jack.
Too bad about the poor choice of ammunition though.
Yeah but what if the “victim” in this crime was trying to get home because “big oil” makes so much money he couldn’t afford his own car. huh? huh?
When in doubt, use the “gold dot +p”.
What’s the advantage in your opinion of that round?
Didn't they used to call the Gold Dots the "flying ashtray" because of the large hollow-pont?
“The home boys picked the wrong crackers to car jack.”
That’s a fact.
I use hollow points, but the #1 factor in lethality is placement not the round.
They hit him several times, while he was armed. The article does not state whether the perp fired or not.
I have been reading good things about them. We have been carrying Hydra-Shocks for years, and have not had to actually "test" them, except at the range.
The important issue is that the carjacker is now a "victim" who can now sue.
Years ago, my wife was in an accident on her motorcycle. I got the call from the ER, and got there, and there was a cop there who wanted to lock her gun up till I could leave with it.
He took it out of her belly bag, "Hey! A Beretta 85! Nice!"
He proceeded to unload it.
"Hydrashocks. They won't let us use these..."
"Yeah. I know. Our lawyer told us to carry them.".
Cop thinks a second, laughs.
Excellent stopper ... Speer 147gr 9mm gold dot makes a good carry round. Lots of police forces use it. Good enough for them, good enough for me.
I have the small Glock 26 for pocket carry loaded with them.
I used to use Corbon but they are hard to get these days.
Yeah, that’s the one. it replaced the Winchester Black Talon round that the media deionized until they took it off the market.
NYPD use the Gold Dots now.
Hollow points may not, may not penetrate if they strike something hard, but YMMV, so know what’s behind the target.
Agree with placement, but under stress, most are not likely to even hit. The cops are not much better at this than civilians.
The hollow point combat rounds IMHO give you the most in return if you hit the target, so take anything you can get.
What’s your opinion on Jacketed Pre-fragmented? Both of my CCW’s are loaded with Glaser Blues.
I never thought of that. Sniff, sniff. Cap my trade and raise my taxes to give him his own car.
When I was younger I explored a lot of ammo, reloaded my own, conventional bullets on the heavy side for the caliber always seemed to kill game best.
Your best source of information is talk to the police who are in the line of fire ... several different officers. You can find them at the shooting ranges in your area. They put a lot of time into ammo choice, when in doubt just use what the police use.
I have three friends who are police officers and they aren’t permitted to use Glasers, but would do it if they were. The ballistics tests are pretty impressive. A .357 Glaser creates a permanent cavity 12 cm in diameter with no exit wound. Thanks.
Hey, does the perp have health-care coverage?
The would-be car thief will probably recover, but otherwise he would be a good candidate for a Darwin Award. What kind of idiot would try to steal a truck from a group of people (including the owner) who were standing around at the scene, apparently in broad daylight?
Whoops! My mistake. This was 2 am. Maybe their shooting would have been better is more favorable lighting.
Fear not, Chicagoians! Your mayor is working mighty hard to make sure that car remains jacked.
Negative! This is Florida and the Stand Your Ground law precludes the perp from suing. FS 776.032
776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.--(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
Great! About time. Now if the rest of the states....
Actually, even my gulag has a "Castle Law", amazingly enough. That does not mean the homeowner will not be tried in the Media, however. (Boston Globe, aka, the NYT in drag.)
We need more cops like this.
[...but if you are going to shoot, shoot with all the whoop-a$$ you can.]
My 16 year old daughter and I were discussing this last night. She asked me if police are suppose to shoot to kill or shoot to stop. I said they are taught to shoot to stop the threat; as soon as the threat has ended, they are suppose to stop firing.
I told her in the Marine Corps we had the same policy: one shot, one kill; once DEAD, the threat stops!
I was lucky. He could have been a jerk about the whole thing. Both types are out there. The ones I meet at the range are pretty nice, but that's a self-selecting sample, I guess.
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