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Congressman: Generals may quit if Obama stays pat in Afghanistan
thehill.com ^ | October 1, 2009 | Jordan Fabian

Posted on 10/01/2009 10:52:33 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

A conservative congressman said on Thursday that top generals may resign or retire early if President Barack Obama does not make a significant changes to the military's Afghan strategy.

"Sure, I think that's a legitimate concern," Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) told Washington Times Radio this morning. "If the president chooses [not to readjust the strategy] but stay there, I think you'll see that kind of a thing happen, then I think you'll see those kinds of resignations."

Ryan expressed worry that the current strategy in Afghanistan is not working. Administration officials have said they are conducting a strategic review of the conflict there. He called for the White House to enact changes quickly

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bho44; bloggersandpersonal; democrats; nationalsecurityfail; obama; obamatruthfile; obamatruthfiles; war
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1 posted on 10/01/2009 10:52:35 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

As they should. They wouldn’t want defeat on their hands while sticking up for the zer0.


2 posted on 10/01/2009 10:54:08 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: ScottinVA

The average boot on the ground will pay for the lack of decision. That’s sad.


3 posted on 10/01/2009 10:56:12 AM PDT by RC2
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

There is NO way I would take an Order from that Conman!


4 posted on 10/01/2009 10:57:16 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

This is the “soft coup” that the military can pull. Versus the mutiny that will happen if Obama says to shoot down iIsraeli warplanes headed to Iran.


5 posted on 10/01/2009 10:57:37 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Passed behavior predicts future performance. Barry’s Afghan strategy decision follows the same timeline as picking Bo the Dog.


6 posted on 10/01/2009 10:58:37 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Of course the strategy isn’t working. When they are more concerned about civilians than they are about taking out the enemy, there’s no way they can win. That’s not the way to win a war.


7 posted on 10/01/2009 11:05:06 AM PDT by pctech
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To: pctech

At this point I would have started seriously using a nuke and being done with it.


8 posted on 10/01/2009 11:05:55 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Why would any officer want Obama’s Afghan assignment?

He’s fundamentally against the war, lied during his campaign to cover his personal views, and when he ultimately fails there, you can be certain he and Emmanuel will be looking for political scapegoats.


9 posted on 10/01/2009 11:06:22 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: RC2

Yeah, it already has to the tune 43 since McChrystal upchanneled that manning plus-up request. Too bad the so-called “commander in chief” isn’t interested in a successful outcome.


10 posted on 10/01/2009 11:06:44 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

That would certainly be a game changing message heard around the world.


11 posted on 10/01/2009 11:09:08 AM PDT by Gator113 (Obamba, Reid, Pelosi, the socialist triad.)
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To: PGR88

He could care less about the war. He wants “the money”.


12 posted on 10/01/2009 11:09:27 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

What are the military concerns that he is evaluating when he says he is reevaluating the strategy? He is not talking to McCrystal. Or is it possible that he is only looking at the political issues involved in staying there?


13 posted on 10/01/2009 11:09:57 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: All

Understand the frustration but to abandon the country right now would be worse. This guy is one and done, please don’t throw away brilliant careers and irreplaceable experience over a kenyan commie.


14 posted on 10/01/2009 11:09:58 AM PDT by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

“If the political winds should change, I will stand with the Muslims” - Barack Hussein Obama from “Dreams of My Father”

Reading that quote should sound an alarm bell to save the Constitution.


15 posted on 10/01/2009 11:11:40 AM PDT by Chattering Class of 58
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

The “threat” should include insistence on relaxing the “rules of engagement (ROE)”!
Un-cuff our troops and let them fight!


16 posted on 10/01/2009 11:11:58 AM PDT by G Larry ( Obamacare=Dying in Line!)
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To: PGR88
He’s fundamentally against the war,

I doubt that his position could really be counted as against it -- except to the extent he doesn't see how it could be turned into more money or influence for him.

If the generals go, I hope the soldiers follow them.

17 posted on 10/01/2009 11:13:44 AM PDT by maryz
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To: SERKIT; NoObamaFightForConservatives; FastCoyote
I've really been worrying about this one:

"This is the “soft coup” that the military can pull."
...and...
"Versus the mutiny that will happen if Obama says to shoot down Israeli warplanes headed to Iran."

I'm not aware of any attempted mutiny when they were ordered to bomb Serbia.

18 posted on 10/01/2009 11:17:13 AM PDT by norton
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

If BO gets much further in his quest to destroy America, I wouldn’t blame a soldier for going awol. What would you be fighting for? These soldiers are doing this to fight for freedom! If/when that’s taken away what’s left to fight for?


19 posted on 10/01/2009 11:17:48 AM PDT by albie
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To: RC2

The average boot on the ground and general should question if these decisions are made by a legitimate POTUS.


20 posted on 10/01/2009 11:18:01 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Sacajaweau

COULDN’T care less. Sheesh.


21 posted on 10/01/2009 11:20:26 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You don't have to be ignorant to be a Democrat...but if you are...so what?)
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To: ScottinVA

The grunts should be allowed to resign as well. This idiot in the white house will produce his own version of an American holocaust with thousands of decent American soldiers dying to satisfy his dithering.


22 posted on 10/01/2009 11:39:33 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

This is not good. How many will have to resign before 0 gets the sycophants he wants in there? Sycophants that might follow orders to order their troops to shoot down citizens in the street. Martial law would be a lot easier to declare if the military is run by a bunch of 0 buttboys. Just sayin’.


23 posted on 10/01/2009 11:42:06 AM PDT by Jaxter (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum.)
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To: norton

[I’m not aware of any attempted mutiny when they were ordered to bomb Serbia. ]

Serbia happened under Clinton, but that was before 911. Now our military would be much less likely to support Islamic regimes for any reason, which is what they would be doing if they shot down Israeli warplanes.

The “soft coup” is that Obama must know that he can’t trust his own military, thus his actions are limited within a sphere. If he says “over the top”, the troops might not charge.


24 posted on 10/01/2009 11:43:51 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

They need to rise up and throw his as* out of office - he’s gone against the US Constitution and has seriously eroded national defense - he’s no President - but a dictator.

IMPEACH the National Socialist!


25 posted on 10/01/2009 11:45:58 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
I can't imagine any general in the military that puts the welfare of his troops above rank remaining in the military. They must not have a conscience. It will be the grunts that will pay for the ineptitude of Obama.
26 posted on 10/01/2009 12:06:08 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: pctech
There is no WIN WIN with Obama, he's already stated that Victory isn't his goal.
But then he has no goals. Obama couldn't plan a birthday party.
27 posted on 10/01/2009 12:10:54 PM PDT by MaxMax (Um, Ah, hmm, um, er, ah, achoo, er, um, sneeze, er, BUSH'S FAULT)
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To: FastCoyote
The Clintons didn't trust the military either, and didn't hide it.

The armed forces swear to defend the Constitution and there is nothing in that document that disallows attacking an ally if ordered to do so.

I don't believe the US military is capable of mutiny beyond unit level and then it's unlikely.

Lastly, there is always a General Turgdson or a Major Kong around to get the job done.

PS: Yes, I know that congress also swears to uphold the constitution, but that's a different breed of cat.

PPS: In the meantime, I have fingers crossed in hope that you are correct.

28 posted on 10/01/2009 12:18:22 PM PDT by norton
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

The world is fixin’ to change again, too. At least this country. The level of instability is increasing hourly. We are rapidly approaching crisis on multiple fronts - economic, political, military, social - you name it. What specifically happens and what triggers it are totally unpredictable. What is a near certainty, IMHO, is that we will have serious crisis and a new type of breakdown within a year.

Have you all noticed how the left is using their media to set up the right to take the fall for any violence set in to motion by any of the above factors? They just don’t get the fact that they and their media mouthpieces have zero credibility with us and we are rapidly approaching the point where we would pay just about any price to be rid of them. The best scenario is that we as states just start ignoring them and their edicts.


29 posted on 10/01/2009 12:29:41 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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To: norton; FastCoyote
I missed your main point;
a Soft Mutiny would require that senior officers either (a) quit in advance, or (b) disobey orders and attempr to resign upon receiving the word.
They are not (yet) doing the first and would be considered beyond 'soft' if they tried the latter.
Only likely scenario would be indifference in executing the orders..."gosh, how could I have missed that shot?"
Even if that were wide spread, it only takes one Major Kong to lite the fire. (And remember that he was a good guy)
30 posted on 10/01/2009 12:29:54 PM PDT by norton
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To: G Larry
Rules of engagement put U.S. troops in danger

http://www.statesman.com/opinion/content/editorial/stories/2009/09/30/0930york_edit.html

31 posted on 10/01/2009 12:51:57 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: G Larry

http://www.statesman.com/opinion/content/editorial/stories/2009/09/30/0930york_edit.html


32 posted on 10/01/2009 12:52:28 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Past Your Eyes

It irritates me too, I swear there is an ever increasing tendency for people to say the opposite of what they intend to say. Grade school teachers used to have a fit when we country kids said something like, “I don’t know nothing about that”. Now people with college degrees say something similiar or even worse and not an eye is blinked, when did we stop speaking English?


33 posted on 10/01/2009 12:52:56 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: G Larry

—Bring GIs home - before job is done—

Oct. 1, 2009 12:00 AM

I never thought I would say it’s time to bring our troops home from Afghanistan before the job was done. But with President Barack Obama as commander in chief snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, I must say it’s time.

As a retired Army officer who did two tours in Vietnam, I know the futility of trying to win a war when the soldiers’ hands are tied by ineffective rules of engagement.

Obama has decided that the new rules of engagement require our troops not to engage the enemy or return fire unless they can guarantee that no civilians will be hurt or killed and that they must withdraw (retreat) when they are attacked.
Our troops are now sitting ducks who cannot fight back. This is unconscionable and either must be reversed or we must abandon Afghanistan to the Taliban and al-Qaida.

This will probably cause the fall of nuclear-armed Pakistan with the rest of the Middle East not far behind.

So much for (in Obama’s words) “a war of necessity.”

The destruction of Israel is inevitable. The domino theory is alive and well. God help us all. - David Rogers, Phoenix

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2009/10/01/20091001thurlets011.html


34 posted on 10/01/2009 12:56:02 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: MaxMax

“Obama couldn’t plan a birthday party.”
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

He wouldn’t need to. Rahm and Michelle can take care of it.
Chavez will furnish the smokes and snorts.


35 posted on 10/01/2009 12:56:34 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

If we aren’t there to win, then bring those patriotic men and women HOME!!

It is unconscionable to require the deaths of the best of us for a political coward.


36 posted on 10/01/2009 12:57:18 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: BCW
"Obama has decided that the new rules of engagement require our troops not to engage the enemy or return fire unless they can guarantee that no civilians will be hurt or killed and that they must withdraw (retreat) when they are attacked."

from my last post

37 posted on 10/01/2009 12:57:44 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Niuhuru

Why is the MSM not reporting that Obama's Rules of engagement in Afghanistan are killing our military guys there?


38 posted on 10/01/2009 1:11:09 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: norton
I'm not aware of any attempted mutiny when they were ordered to bomb Serbia.

No and their should have been, all we did was kill Christians and establish a drug haven for Muslims.

39 posted on 10/01/2009 1:41:56 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: norton
I'm not aware of any attempted mutiny when they were ordered to bomb Serbia.

No and there should have been, all we did was kill Christians and establish a drug haven for Muslims.

40 posted on 10/01/2009 1:42:12 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: RipSawyer
when did we stop speaking English?

During Carter administration we established the rights of illegal aliens to free public education. Just a guess.

41 posted on 10/01/2009 1:53:21 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: TruthConquers
It is unconscionable to require the deaths of the best of us for a political coward.

Blackhawk down, and we did nothing, in fact we re-elected the guy, who stated in his own hand, he loathed the military.

42 posted on 10/01/2009 1:56:07 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Why are they no longer showing the returning caskets that they went to court over?


43 posted on 10/01/2009 1:57:16 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

No big deal Clinton found Clark to run his war. I am sure Obama can find another lieutenant that is a liberal someplace to promote to be the commanding general.


44 posted on 10/01/2009 2:03:23 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Past Your Eyes

Re your post #21, I am afraid that that phrase (”could care less”) is tossed out with no thinking about its illogicality. It bothers me too.

OP


45 posted on 10/01/2009 2:09:53 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: itsahoot
The AP is covering every returning casket. I suspect they're saving the
photographs to make a mosaic in their foyer, or to use them next election
as another tool due to their continuing BDS.
46 posted on 10/01/2009 4:52:55 PM PDT by MaxMax (Um, Ah, hmm, um, er, ah, achoo, er, um, sneeze, er, BUSH'S FAULT)
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To: OldPossum; RipSawyer
I've posted this many times before. I guess I'll just keep on posting it until people finally get it right.


47 posted on 10/01/2009 6:32:35 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You don't have to be ignorant to be a Democrat...but if you are...so what?)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

I was sent a list of ROE from some guys I served with in Iraq - might as well not carry weapons - can’t use them. Next, 0bama will restrict patrols in order not to over pollute Afghanistan...you know keep emissions down so the good people of the Stan can have clean air to breathe....


48 posted on 10/01/2009 7:25:00 PM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Thanks for Service!

I was honored to have served with Vietnam vets in 2003 - 2008 in Iraq - I can’t imagine being in service that long - going through the hell that you guys went through. I say this, despite war - we had a lot of technology over there that relieved our stress...I say this even to those in Korea and WW II - and was lucky enough to meet one of the last living vet’s of WW I...you guys did alot for us - made deployment easier - and surviving as well.

So - Thanks - from one Vet to another!


49 posted on 10/01/2009 7:29:24 PM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
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To: BCW

Please say your thanks to the man at the link I posted.
Thanks for your service.


50 posted on 10/01/2009 7:33:38 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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