Skip to comments.Oldest known human ancestor rewrites evolution theories
Posted on 10/01/2009 12:18:15 PM PDT by Pharmboy
Probable life appearance in anterior view of Ardipithecus ramidus ("Ardi"), ARA-VP 6/500.Photograph by: Handout, Illustrations 2009, J.H. Matternes
An international team of scientists unveiled Thursday the results of 15 years of study of one of the oldest known human ancestors, Ardipithecus ramidus, which they say overturns much of what we know about human evolution.
And surprisingly, it's also rewriting the story of our relation to gorillas and chimpanzees, our closest living relatives, and their development as well.
Yohannes Haile-Selassie, one of the authors involved in the research and the man who discovered the first pieces of the most complete Ardipithecus ramidus specimen, nicknamed Ardi by the researchers, says the findings represent a complete rewrite about what is known about human and ape evolution, and give new insight into how we became bipedal.
"What we are seeing . . . is something we never expected to find in the human lineage," he says, his voice buoyant on the phone from the Cleveland Museum of Natural History, where he is Curator/Head Physical Anthropology.
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Purty, ain’t she?
Early humans had no genitals???
As Jerry Lewis would say: “She’s a LAYYY-DEEEE....
Did they find another pig tooth?
How long before they set up a display showing the social structure in which this tooth lived?
O M G — more detailed information that may change some details of TToE.
That’s it!!! The TToE is finished! Done I tell you! If we know that any aspect of TToE is subject to revision, then ALL aspects are of no value!
The TToE is more! It has ceased to be! It is an ex-theory! It has joined the choir and vestibule! If you hadn’t nailed Dembsky to the lectern it would be pushing up daisies!
Darn it, I knew I should have left the curtains closed when I took a shower..
Whoops, there goes using the bonobos as the excuse for unlimited sexual license, eh?
For a moment I thought this picture was taken in Copenhagen.
Now that’s funny right there...
You know what they say about big hands...
Gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans and gibbons are all quite a bit less sexually active than humans.
Aunt Bunny is here....
I thought all this was layin' flat according to some of the folks here (and a lot of the folks not here too). A "complete rewrite" huh? I wonder how many of the exhibits in the American Museum of Natural History (NYC) will be taken down in the next year because of this. (My own guess is zero.)
Just as I suspected........another White House press release on Michelle.
Obviously you do not understand the how this finding will “enhance” TToE. Just give them a little time to fit it into their religion and then we argue. /sarc off
Alright who’s the wiseguy that posted a naked picture of my first wife????
ACtually, the article indicates that they found more than a tooth.
I’m sick and tired of “First Lady” posts! Just give the Olympics to Chicago and be done with it!
Who would have guessed that TToE would today be pinin’ for the fjords!
Yes, it amazes me how the creation rationalizers and their Trojan horse ID counterparts view the unfolding of the scientific method as a failure of science.
I thought she was in Copenhagen?
According to Haile-Selassie, even 150 years ago, Charles Darwin understood that although chimps are our closest living relatives, we cannot look to them for clues about our evolution, that there had to be a common ancestor.
Ardi isn’t that ancestor but she is the closest to finding it that we have come so far, the research shows.
Despite this, neither the faith of the Evolutionists or the Christians is shaken...
Don;t go there cause it is the exact thought that went through my mind. WE BAD!!!!!!!!!
When my Grandfather-300x started walking PING.
(We are still knuckle draggers)
How con-VEN-ient. /sarc>
I can guaran-damn-tee my family didn’t evolve from that nonsense!
My problem is how can they really know that this specific creature is in human lineage? Evolution has become an unfalsifiable model and is the assumed methodology in almost all of these studies; the model is just modified anytime something challenges it. As long as there is some similarity between any two specimens, they must be related. It's like listening to Paul Krugman who operates on government intervention as the main model; whenever evidence goes against it, the intervention wasn't enough or applied in the right way.
“An international team of scientists unveiled Thursday the results of 15 years of study of one of the oldest known human ancestors, Ardipithecus ramidus, which they say overturns much of what we know about human evolution.
And surprisingly, it’s also rewriting the story of our relation to gorillas and chimpanzees, our closest living relatives, and their development as well.”
Now they’re saying that gorillas and chimps branched off and developed quite a bit from a common ancestor. If so, how can they say that this newly discovered ape-like creature is our ancestor? Maybe it branched out quite a bit too.
Jeepers! Full frontal female nudity! Definitely nsfw. What’s wrong with you, trying to get me fired?
Yeah, I’ll probably get banned. Too late now.
It never ceases to amaze me, how intelligent human beings keep insisting that we evolved from non-intelligence, through a long history of developement. That presumption is not an intelligent one. Please stop insulting the intelligence of even the average thinking human being. If you are satisfied with being just a little above the apes or along side them fine, not me. I am just a little below the angels, unique in all of creation.
Scientist are sooo imaginative and try to convince us of evolution. Ha! Cracks me up.
Evolution is most definitely falsifiable, as it would not be recognized in its current form by its earliest adherents. It is creation “science” that is not falsifiable by definition, and hence not science at all.
What scientific justification for the sexual revolution is provided by downgrading humanity from the most sexual of primates to a distant second place?
And it was not a matter of some sort of conspiracy to keep this information under wraps until it was “needed”, nobody really realized there was much of a behavior difference between “pygmy” chimps and regular chimps, until someone sat down and watched them and concluded “those are some kinky freeky sex having apes!”
I know I've seen TV shows ("important scientific documentary" type-shows with a bored-but-condescending voice-over) which explained that the bonobos' promiscuity showed that fidelity and chastity were merely social (and therefore discredited) concepts.
I'm not attacking science: but the misuse of science's credibility and authority as window dressing for whatever the leftist, Gramscian fad-of-the-week is (similar to Al Gore and
global warming climate change.
>>Who would have guessed that TToE would today be pinin for the fjords!
Yes, it amazes me how the creation rationalizers and their Trojan horse ID counterparts view the unfolding of the scientific method as a failure of science.<<
Beautiful furrage, tho.
The games bagan long ago and continue with:
Getting Your (Oldest) Bones, T-Vex(What is this thing?), Full Frontal Nuttiness is Cornography, and the ever popular, PhooneyEx-The Bird That Rose From the Trashes (and should go back).
Humans are not more sexual than chimps and less sexual than bonobos because of social concepts; but due to biological differences between the three populations.
I do not doubt that some sociology nut tried to make the construction you are attempting; but it is simply not backed up by logical thinking.
Downgrading humans from the most sexual primate to a distant second also doesn't support some sort of justification for rampant sexual license.
It was pointed out that bonobos tend to solve conflicts through mutual sexual gratification rather than violence; and that might be a lesson humans could learn and apply within their marriage - but it is hardly some sort of justification of “well if bonobos have sex with any and all members of their band at the drop of a hat, then i should be able to as well.”
That makes about as much sense as saying “Well lions eat the non related young of the females of the band they take over, so watch out stepchildren!”
*PRECISELY* my point; and precisely why I objected.
But it gave the "imprimatur" of science to an attempt to undermine traditional morality; so those of the cognoscenti who get their news from Nova, The History Channel, The BBC, and The Discovery Channel (thereby proving themselves more, well, erudite and civilized, than those who listen to Limbaugh, would feel justified in attacking morality.
(or should that Ardipithecus ramidi?)
Forward! Into The Past!