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Oldest known human ancestor rewrites evolution theories
Canada.com ^ | October 1, 2009 | Ken Meaney

Posted on 10/01/2009 12:18:15 PM PDT by Pharmboy

Probable life appearance in anterior view of Ardipithecus ramidus ("Ardi"), ARA-VP 6/500.Photograph by: Handout, Illustrations 2009, J.H. Matternes

An international team of scientists unveiled Thursday the results of 15 years of study of one of the oldest known human ancestors, Ardipithecus ramidus, which they say overturns much of what we know about human evolution.

And surprisingly, it's also rewriting the story of our relation to gorillas and chimpanzees, our closest living relatives, and their development as well.

Yohannes Haile-Selassie, one of the authors involved in the research and the man who discovered the first pieces of the most complete Ardipithecus ramidus specimen, nicknamed Ardi by the researchers, says the findings represent a complete rewrite about what is known about human and ape evolution, and give new insight into how we became bipedal.

"What we are seeing . . . is something we never expected to find in the human lineage," he says, his voice buoyant on the phone from the Cleveland Museum of Natural History, where he is Curator/Head Physical Anthropology.

(Excerpt) Read more at canada.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ardi; ardipithecus; ardipithecusramidus; chimpanzee; chimps; fossil; fossils; godsgravesglyphs; humanevolution; paleontology; science
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Let the games begin...
1 posted on 10/01/2009 12:18:16 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: thefactor; blam; SunkenCiv; Coyoteman; GodGunsGuts; martin_fierro; neverdem; NonValueAdded

Purty, ain’t she?


2 posted on 10/01/2009 12:20:05 PM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Pharmboy

My word!

Early humans had no genitals???


3 posted on 10/01/2009 12:21:49 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

As Jerry Lewis would say: “She’s a LAYYY-DEEEE....


4 posted on 10/01/2009 12:23:04 PM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Pharmboy

Did they find another pig tooth?

How long before they set up a display showing the social structure in which this tooth lived?


5 posted on 10/01/2009 12:23:53 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Pharmboy

O M G — more detailed information that may change some details of TToE.

That’s it!!! The TToE is finished! Done I tell you! If we know that any aspect of TToE is subject to revision, then ALL aspects are of no value!

The TToE is more! It has ceased to be! It is an ex-theory! It has joined the choir and vestibule! If you hadn’t nailed Dembsky to the lectern it would be pushing up daisies!


6 posted on 10/01/2009 12:25:07 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Pharmboy
Well of course these two predate it ....

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7 posted on 10/01/2009 12:25:30 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Pharmboy

Darn it, I knew I should have left the curtains closed when I took a shower..


8 posted on 10/01/2009 12:25:36 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Pharmboy
The researchers say the surprising findings mean chimps and gorillas have specialized greatly since then and are poor models for a common ancestor and for understanding human abilities such as walking.

Whoops, there goes using the bonobos as the excuse for unlimited sexual license, eh?

Cheers!

9 posted on 10/01/2009 12:26:09 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Pharmboy

For a moment I thought this picture was taken in Copenhagen.


10 posted on 10/01/2009 12:28:54 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Pharmboy

LOL!!


11 posted on 10/01/2009 12:29:09 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: SkyDancer

ZOT..... :_)


12 posted on 10/01/2009 12:29:43 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Nosterrex

Now that’s funny right there...

Gooniegoogoo.


13 posted on 10/01/2009 12:30:12 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Pharmboy

You know what they say about big hands...


14 posted on 10/01/2009 12:30:33 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Before bonobo behavior was described within the last couple decades, it was thought that WE were the most sexual of the primates.

Gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans and gibbons are all quite a bit less sexually active than humans.

15 posted on 10/01/2009 12:31:58 PM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: MrB

Aunt Bunny is here....


16 posted on 10/01/2009 12:32:45 PM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: Pharmboy
a complete rewrite about what is known about human and ape evolution

I thought all this was layin' flat according to some of the folks here (and a lot of the folks not here too). A "complete rewrite" huh? I wonder how many of the exhibits in the American Museum of Natural History (NYC) will be taken down in the next year because of this. (My own guess is zero.)

ML/NJ

17 posted on 10/01/2009 12:35:03 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Pharmboy

Just as I suspected........another White House press release on Michelle.


18 posted on 10/01/2009 12:35:51 PM PDT by jmax
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To: Pharmboy

19 posted on 10/01/2009 12:36:22 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: freedumb2003

Obviously you do not understand the how this finding will “enhance” TToE. Just give them a little time to fit it into their religion and then we argue. /sarc off


20 posted on 10/01/2009 12:36:45 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go Home!)
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To: Pharmboy

Alright who’s the wiseguy that posted a naked picture of my first wife????

Kidding.


21 posted on 10/01/2009 12:37:47 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Pharmboy
I don't think even Bill Clinton would hit that.
22 posted on 10/01/2009 12:37:54 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Barack Obama is an old Kenyan word for Jimmy Carter)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

:)


23 posted on 10/01/2009 12:39:16 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MrB

ACtually, the article indicates that they found more than a tooth.


24 posted on 10/01/2009 12:40:17 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Pharmboy

I’m sick and tired of “First Lady” posts! Just give the Olympics to Chicago and be done with it!


25 posted on 10/01/2009 12:42:53 PM PDT by ryan71 (Smells like a revolution)
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To: freedumb2003; xcamel

Who would have guessed that TToE would today be pinin’ for the fjords!

Yes, it amazes me how the creation rationalizers and their Trojan horse ID counterparts view the unfolding of the scientific method as a failure of science.


26 posted on 10/01/2009 12:45:37 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Pharmboy

I thought she was in Copenhagen?


27 posted on 10/01/2009 12:54:03 PM PDT by HospiceNurse
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To: Pharmboy

According to Haile-Selassie, even 150 years ago, Charles Darwin understood that although chimps are our closest living relatives, we cannot look to them for clues about our evolution, that there had to be a common ancestor.

Ardi isn’t that ancestor but she is the closest to finding it that we have come so far, the research shows.


Despite this, neither the faith of the Evolutionists or the Christians is shaken...


28 posted on 10/01/2009 12:55:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Ded Kennedy, Stealing from the middle class for nearly 40 years to end poverty.)
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To: Nosterrex

Don;t go there cause it is the exact thought that went through my mind. WE BAD!!!!!!!!!


29 posted on 10/01/2009 12:57:21 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: Pharmboy

thanks, bfl


30 posted on 10/01/2009 1:04:29 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Fred Nerks

When my Grandfather-300x started walking PING.

(We are still knuckle draggers)


31 posted on 10/01/2009 1:05:52 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: allmendream
The last couple of decades...hmm, after the sexual revolution was searching for "scientific justification", wasn't it?

How con-VEN-ient. /sarc>

Cheers!

32 posted on 10/01/2009 1:12:04 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Pharmboy

I can guaran-damn-tee my family didn’t evolve from that nonsense!


33 posted on 10/01/2009 1:17:18 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Obama = Jim Jones coercing us into suicide on a national scale)
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To: Buck W.
"...is something we never expected to find in the human lineage"

My problem is how can they really know that this specific creature is in human lineage? Evolution has become an unfalsifiable model and is the assumed methodology in almost all of these studies; the model is just modified anytime something challenges it. As long as there is some similarity between any two specimens, they must be related. It's like listening to Paul Krugman who operates on government intervention as the main model; whenever evidence goes against it, the intervention wasn't enough or applied in the right way.

34 posted on 10/01/2009 1:20:21 PM PDT by In veno, veritas (Please identify my Ad Hominem attacks. I should be debating ideas.)
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To: Pharmboy

“An international team of scientists unveiled Thursday the results of 15 years of study of one of the oldest known human ancestors, Ardipithecus ramidus, which they say overturns much of what we know about human evolution.

And surprisingly, it’s also rewriting the story of our relation to gorillas and chimpanzees, our closest living relatives, and their development as well.”

Now they’re saying that gorillas and chimps branched off and developed quite a bit from a common ancestor. If so, how can they say that this newly discovered ape-like creature is our ancestor? Maybe it branched out quite a bit too.


35 posted on 10/01/2009 1:23:08 PM PDT by Texan Tory
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To: Pharmboy

Jeepers! Full frontal female nudity! Definitely nsfw. What’s wrong with you, trying to get me fired?


36 posted on 10/01/2009 1:24:06 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Don't tell 0bama what comes after a trillion.)
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To: crazydad

Yeah, I’ll probably get banned. Too late now.


37 posted on 10/01/2009 1:31:06 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Pharmboy

It never ceases to amaze me, how intelligent human beings keep insisting that we evolved from non-intelligence, through a long history of developement. That presumption is not an intelligent one. Please stop insulting the intelligence of even the average thinking human being. If you are satisfied with being just a little above the apes or along side them fine, not me. I am just a little below the angels, unique in all of creation.


38 posted on 10/01/2009 1:31:23 PM PDT by walkingupright
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To: In veno, veritas

Scientist are sooo imaginative and try to convince us of evolution. Ha! Cracks me up.


39 posted on 10/01/2009 1:31:29 PM PDT by walkingupright
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To: In veno, veritas

Evolution is most definitely falsifiable, as it would not be recognized in its current form by its earliest adherents. It is creation “science” that is not falsifiable by definition, and hence not science at all.


40 posted on 10/01/2009 1:31:33 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: grey_whiskers

What scientific justification for the sexual revolution is provided by downgrading humanity from the most sexual of primates to a distant second place?

And it was not a matter of some sort of conspiracy to keep this information under wraps until it was “needed”, nobody really realized there was much of a behavior difference between “pygmy” chimps and regular chimps, until someone sat down and watched them and concluded “those are some kinky freeky sex having apes!”


41 posted on 10/01/2009 1:33:12 PM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
Leaning the wrong way on both counts.

I know I've seen TV shows ("important scientific documentary" type-shows with a bored-but-condescending voice-over) which explained that the bonobos' promiscuity showed that fidelity and chastity were merely social (and therefore discredited) concepts.

I'm not attacking science: but the misuse of science's credibility and authority as window dressing for whatever the leftist, Gramscian fad-of-the-week is (similar to Al Gore and global warming climate change.

Cheers!

42 posted on 10/01/2009 1:39:08 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Buck W.

>>Who would have guessed that TToE would today be pinin’ for the fjords!

Yes, it amazes me how the creation rationalizers and their Trojan horse ID counterparts view the unfolding of the scientific method as a failure of science.<<

Beautiful furrage, tho.


43 posted on 10/01/2009 1:44:49 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Pharmboy

The games bagan long ago and continue with:

Getting Your (Oldest) Bones, T-Vex(What is this thing?), Full Frontal Nuttiness is Cornography, and the ever popular, PhooneyEx-The Bird That Rose From the Trashes (and should go back).


44 posted on 10/01/2009 1:44:56 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Bonobos are not more sexual than chimps because of social concepts that are different between them. Bonobos are more sexual than chimps because of biological differences between them and chimps.

Humans are not more sexual than chimps and less sexual than bonobos because of social concepts; but due to biological differences between the three populations.

I do not doubt that some sociology nut tried to make the construction you are attempting; but it is simply not backed up by logical thinking.

Downgrading humans from the most sexual primate to a distant second also doesn't support some sort of justification for rampant sexual license.

It was pointed out that bonobos tend to solve conflicts through mutual sexual gratification rather than violence; and that might be a lesson humans could learn and apply within their marriage - but it is hardly some sort of justification of “well if bonobos have sex with any and all members of their band at the drop of a hat, then i should be able to as well.”

That makes about as much sense as saying “Well lions eat the non related young of the females of the band they take over, so watch out stepchildren!”

45 posted on 10/01/2009 1:47:06 PM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
I do not doubt that some sociology nut tried to make the construction you are attempting; but it is simply not backed up by logical thinking.

*PRECISELY* my point; and precisely why I objected.

But it gave the "imprimatur" of science to an attempt to undermine traditional morality; so those of the cognoscenti who get their news from Nova, The History Channel, The BBC, and The Discovery Channel (thereby proving themselves more, well, erudite and civilized, than those who listen to Limbaugh, would feel justified in attacking morality.

Cheers!

46 posted on 10/01/2009 1:49:51 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Pharmboy
"Planet of the Ardipithecus ramiduses"

(or should that Ardipithecus ramidi?)

47 posted on 10/01/2009 1:54:54 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: count-your-change

Forward! Into The Past!

(creationistum anencephalicus)


48 posted on 10/01/2009 2:00:50 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: walkingupright
What if we changed the subject to global warming?
49 posted on 10/01/2009 2:03:43 PM PDT by In veno, veritas (Please identify my Ad Hominem attacks. I should be debating ideas.)
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To: Texan Tory
You make an excellent point; another dynamic in play here is that every time (or almost every time) a new find is made, it is THE find that will change the way we see evolution from now on (keep those grants coming, doncha know).
50 posted on 10/01/2009 2:06:37 PM PDT by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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