Posted on 10/01/2009 2:00:24 PM PDT by Ben Mugged
H1N1 swine flu has killed 28 pregnant women in the U.S., raising the level of concern among obstetricians and CDC investigators.
The 28 women who died were among about 100 pregnant women who required intensive care because of severe H1N1 swine flu disease.
"Doctors around the country have never seen this kind of thing before," CDC respiratory disease chief Anne Schuchat, MD, said today at a news conference. "What we are seeing is quite striking."
The CDC has never before tracked the impact of flu on pregnant women. Although flu is a known risk both to a pregnant woman and to her fetus, it's not known for sure that H1N1 swine flu is any worse.
But that's the impression doctors are getting. Schuchat said that obstetricians at the CDC are in close contact with colleagues across the country.
"The obstetric caregivers here and the ones they are speaking with have rarely seen this kind of thing in practice," Schuchat said. "It has been very unusual."
Fortunately, there's a lot pregnant women can do.
Even though pregnant women are advised to avoid many medications, the flu drug Tamiflu is safe for pregnant women -- and should be given to them at the first sign of flu symptoms.
"Antiviral medicine can be a very important treatment for pregnant women who have respiratory symptoms or influenza-like illness," Schuchat said.
(Excerpt) Read more at webmd.com ...
My daughter-in-law is five months pregnant. Her wonderful ob-gyn advised her against the swine flu vaccine.
What is the casualty rate from other ills or other common flus?
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My daughters teacher from last year is pregnant. I think I wouldn’t want to be a pregnant teacher, tooooo many germs in school.
They've never tracked pregnant women and the flu before, so who knows?
My wife is 7 months pregnant. Getting mixed signals on if she should get the vaccine or not. It isn’t available yet, so we haven’t had to make our decision.
Baby due in mid Dec. Hopefully the flu doesn’t pick up until after that time...
I did get a seasonal flu shot, primarily so I didn’t bring it in and infect the baby. The OB told my wife not to get it now, since she has a mild cold. After the cold, we have that decision to make as well.
How is it possible that they’ve never tracked pregnant women and the flu? I’m having a hard time believing this.
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I think it’s amazing sometimes the stuff that isn’t tracked. When I was pregnant my OB never asked me if I ever had the flu (or colds, etc), you know?
I read that complications (and deaths) from C-sections are also kind of poorly tracked (underreported) in U.S. hospitals.
The worst problem is that you can NOT believe the government here or anywhere! The people don’t know whether to believe them or the fact that these vaccinations cause problems. They have brought this on themselves...
In other news, more than 28 people drowned in their bathtubs in America last year.
Swine Flu? Big deal. More people die from the REGULAR FLU! The government is gearing up to make something big out of this swine flu thing.
>>What is the casualty rate from other ills or other common flus?<<
The H1N1 vaccine is being pushed for pregnant women.
That’s why this is a concern.
Pregnant women die from lots of things. However if deaths attributed to this shot are high for pregnant women, then they should not recommend it for them.
For pregnant people or just generally? I actually don't think the CDC tracks pregnancy/flu deaths - at least up to now. But, the fatality rate for regular seasonal flu is less than 0.1% of the those infected in the entire population. I believe that H1N1 has been slightly higher with respect to fatality. It's been MUCH higher with respect to virulence - or the rate of infection amongst the general population.
This article, though, is about cases of the flu, not about ill effects from a flu shot. That is a distinct issue to be looked into.
Heck, my DIL was in the hospital in labor when I asked the Dr. if her scoliosis (she has a 48 degree bend on the bottom and 45 on the top) was going to be a problem and he asked, “What scoliosis?”
He went into the room and checked her and turned white. It ended up going ok but they had to do a forced delivery.
Our medical environment has run the general practitioner who took care of you all your life out of business and Drs. who deliver babies have to have so many to cover their costs that they don’t get the attention that they need.
I’m pinging Smokin’ Joe’s avian/H1N1 Flu list to this new article thread .
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As of today, appx 106 children have died of H1N1*
Freeper justsaynomore posted a list of child deaths from the H1N1 Swineflu with some pictures it was post 1,546 on
the below freeper swineflu updates thread
I think anyone interested in swineflu should read freeper
justsaynomore POST 1,546 on the thread below .
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278371/posts
Freeper justsaynomore also posted this comment
Almost 50% of those have died JUST IN SEPTEMBER.
According to CDC numbers, an average of 75 children have died from seasonal flu every year since the 2003-2004 flu season.
So this year we are already 25% higher than average and we haven’t even hit the normal “flu season”.
Bingo. And thrown in common time factors, age, health, etc.
Good grief. Where were you, Tibet?
Data sources, please. For example, to be "slightly higher with respect to fatality," H1N1 is going to have to kill over 35,000 people in this country alone this year. So color me skeptical about "virulence" or anything else - show me the data.
What's not clear is whether it's due to the age range for H1N1 infections (more infected age 15-30 = more pregnant women) or something else about pregnancy.
Well, he probably should have, since she’s already pregnant.
If you can keep her isolated so she doesn’t get it, is the safest thing.
The CDC has a whole website dedicated to this, as does the WHO. You're going to have to do your own math - like I did - but the statistics are clear, the virulence (rate of infection) of the H1N1 is proving to be much more robust than that the seasonal flu.
Oh sorry, my apologies!
I’m a bit paranoid about the shot. My newest Godson is going to be born at the end of the months and I don’t want his Mommy getting the vaccine.
What is your goal when posting about flu deaths? It seems like you are trying to start or fan the flames of panic.
That’s actually kind of shocking.
no problem, wishing all goes well with the birth
They are not talking about the flu shot. The article is about pregnant women with the H1N1 flu. The only prophylactic they recommend is Tami-Flu.
Bunk. "The statistics" wriggle like a bucket of worms with plausable deniability terms. You made the declarations, so the responsibility is on you to show your numbers. You did the research - what are the data you decided supported your findings?
The hysteria and psuedo-science going on around this is disgusting. And the whole point os to force everyone in America to receive an untested vaccination that required a special law to protect it from suit for all the deaths and damages it is predicted to cause, which it's own manufacturers refuse to take and most doctors refuse to give.
This untested, deadly vaccine could lead to millions of deaths. Where's the concern over that? And why does it need a special law to protect it?
I appreciate dvdmom’s posts.
There are many of us who think that the government isn’t in a conspiracy to kill us with a vaccine, but rather government errs on the side of not causing panic and fails to tell us and fails to take preventive action when there is a real threat.
It’s good to know what the risks are. Some may opt for the immunization. I’m not so sure flu season isn’t coming on yet; it has been a cool last half of September. But I am also not sure it’s panicville time yet even with a “150%” death rate because flu almost always is not fatal in the first place.
Right now, looks like the vaccine is about as “deadly” as aspirin.
Can you point to any other vaccine in the history of vaccines that has "led to millions of deaths"? Yeah, didn't think so.
It's clear that you didn't take the time to read ANY of the documentation on either site. It's equally clear that even if you had, you wouldn't have believed it.
And, I didn't do any "research" I simply read the reports that are clearly and plainly posted at the links I gave. If you don't want to educate yourself, and would prefer to cling to wild conspiracy theories - like millions dead from a vaccine - I can't help you.
And I hope it stays that way. Especially when cops come up to you with a needle in one hand and a gun in the other, like Massachussetts just authorized them to do.
Though it does seem strange that something as safe as aspirin required the creation of a federal law protecting it's manufacturers from any suits for wrongful harm or death. I can't say I know of any other "medicine" with such protection.
Oh well, I'm sure government knows best. Especially under Obama.
Can you point to any other vaccine in the history of vaccines that has received it's own federal indemnification law against any lawsuits whatsoever if it causes injury or death? Yeah, I didn't think so.
It's clear that you didn't take the time to read ANY of the documentation on either site. And, I didn't do any "research" I simply read the reports that are clearly and plainly posted at the links I gave.
It's also clear you have no data to present. Which is especially damning since you're claiming those vaunted "websites" of yours are so chock-full of valid information, yet you can't - or won't - produce any of it.
It's equally clear that even if you had, you wouldn't have believed it.
So disagreement under any circumstances is not tolerated, eh?
If you don't want to educate yourself, and would prefer to cling to wild conspiracy theories - like millions dead from a vaccine - I can't help you.
How's this for a "wild conspiracy theory:" That if you don't take the vaccine, cops will pull you over, pull out guns and come at you with needles and vaccinate you right there - and if you resist, take you away to isolation camps. Wild conspiracy theory? Tell it to Massachussetts - they just passed this law.
Here is the difference. 90% of the people who die from regular flu are the elderly. This doesn't seem to be hitting old people.
It is well known under what circumstances aspirin can cripple or kill. That isn’t true of any new vaccine because the science isn’t there.
This has nothing to do with panics or jackboots in Assachusetts.
Isn't this the case with ALL vaccines? Don't we have a special fund to pay out those who have been harmed by vaccines so that the manufacturer's aren't run out of business?
The story below is about a healthy child dying from H1N1.
The girl’s mother was quite upset how she was told only those with pre-exisiting conditions need to be concerned.
The school never bothered to tell the school children’s parent’s that H1N1 was going around the school ....
Osborne said school administrators should be more open about flu outbreaks so parents will be informed.
“It’s just like when a kid gets lice,” she said. “They send home a letter saying, ‘There’s a kid in the class that had lice. Please check your kids.’ Lice won’t kill you, but the flu killed my baby.”
Girl Dies After Flu-Like Illness
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/Student-Dies-After-Flu-Like-Illness-62411372.html
By STACY MORROW and SCOTT GORDON
Updated 10:44 PM CDT, Mon, Sep 28, 2009
A 14-year-old Fort Worth girl who was “perfectly healthy” her entire life died suddenly Sunday after being diagnosed with the flu, her mother said.
Chloe Lindsey died hours after she was rushed to Cook Children’s Medical Center.
“She was perfectly healthy,” said her mother, Tammy Osborne. “I think she had been sick twice since she was 2 years old.”
You posted: Can you point to any other vaccine in the history of vaccines that has “led to millions of deaths”? Yeah, didn’t think so.
That doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen. There has been some research published that indicated that flu vaccine was more harmful than the flu.
Doesn’t it bother you that the vaccine makers have zero liability for harm or death?
I saw information indicating that DNA typical to avian, swine and human viruses, were all 3 in the flu, that it could only happen that way in a laboratory, not in nature, and the CDC admitted that it was involved in test of this combination to “see if it would be dangerous”. I personally would not trust the CDC to be straight with us. Big government buracuracies don’t usually have our best interest at heart.
Quarantines (your “isolation camps”) were boringly routine in the early 20th century. Yet few donned tinfoil about it.
It is because modern medicine is so good that quarantines are a virtual unknown in America today.
And if I were a betting man, I would bet on there not turning out to be any quarantines for H1N1 either and that Assachusetts’ jackboots will simply be idle on this issue.
The CDC has never before tracked the impact of flu on pregnant women. Although flu is a known risk both to a pregnant woman and to her fetus, it's not known for sure that H1N1 swine flu is any worse. But that's the impression doctors are getting.Translated
we really have no way to give you perspective on this. For all we know, the death rate could be down and not up. But lacking any basis in fact, let's proceed with anecdotal evidence and draw broad conclusions.
When I was pregnant last year my ob’s office pushed for all women to get the regular flu vaccination. I delayed out of fear but finally caved two months before my son was born and got it. If I were pregnant now I would definitely get the H1N1 vaccination. A lot of people are naive as to how dangerous any strain of flu can be.
Again you didn’t answer my question, just posted another death listing.
What is your goal when posting about flu deaths? It seems like you are trying to start or fan the flames of panic. Are you keeping score?
PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION.
And yes people die from the flu. Usually they have underlying medical problems. Not always. It is a sad and horrible thing.
The swineflu has been killing people , & if you lost a loved one from it you might be concerned too .
The swineflu has killed healthy & non- healthy people.
A Freeper’s son is in the ICU with swineflu
is in the ICU with swineflu & is asking Freepers for prayers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2345382/posts?q=1&;page=1
Nothing but total hype. My kids got the H1N1 flu last week and I had it last Friday. My kids started getting better in 3 days on Tamiflu. It took me about 3 days on Tamiflu but took me until today to feel 100% better.
I would want to have the H1N1 any day compared to Flu B. By the way, I am in the flu kit business and our business has gone through the roof so these types of articles actually help my business.
I just want to make sure everyone calms down over the fear of H1N1.
And some people are naive about how unhealthy vaccines can be.
Here are some videos that explain
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/19/The-Truth-about-the-Flu-Shot.aspx
I would never get the vaccine or allow it to be given to my family.
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