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Exceptional Humans Did Not Evolve from Apes (can't the Temple of Darwin get anything right?...LOL!)
Secondhand Smoke ^ | October 1, 2009 | Wesley J. Smith

Posted on 10/02/2009 9:15:51 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Human exceptionalism received a boost today with the news that human beings apparently did not evolve from apes...

(Excerpt) Read more at firstthings.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ardipithecusramidus; belongsinreligion; creation; evolution; gagdad; gagdadbob; intelligentdesign; notasciencetopic; onecosmos; propellerbeanie; science
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1 posted on 10/02/2009 9:15:51 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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This one’s for you, tpanther!

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2 posted on 10/02/2009 9:17:59 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Exceptional Humans Did Not Evolve from Apes

Of course they didn't. There's a master race. Ordinary humans did.

/s

3 posted on 10/02/2009 9:18:56 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Isn't the Golden Mean the secret to something," I parried? "Yes," Blue replied. "Mediocrity.")
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’ve never heard any evolutionist claim humans evolved from apes, so this isn’t much news.


4 posted on 10/02/2009 9:19:05 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (So whatever happened to "Keep your laws off my body," libs?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Uh OH! This is gonna get good. Pass the popcorn.


5 posted on 10/02/2009 9:19:43 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Racing to clarify so we don’t have a thread of confusion—the idea is humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor.


6 posted on 10/02/2009 9:19:49 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (So whatever happened to "Keep your laws off my body," libs?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Racing to clarify so we don’t have a thread of confusion—the idea is humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor.


7 posted on 10/02/2009 9:19:54 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (So whatever happened to "Keep your laws off my body," libs?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

GENESIS rocks!


8 posted on 10/02/2009 9:20:12 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Darkwolf377

Don’t confuse the luddites. They prefer straw men.


9 posted on 10/02/2009 9:20:45 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: 353FMG
GENESIS rocks!

Not since Peter Gabriel left.

10 posted on 10/02/2009 9:20:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Darkwolf377

I thought it was always believed humans and apes had a common ancestor.


11 posted on 10/02/2009 9:20:54 AM PDT by Williams
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To: GodGunsGuts

ROFL.

See how far functional illiteracy will get you?


12 posted on 10/02/2009 9:20:58 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Popcorn bump.


13 posted on 10/02/2009 9:21:25 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Uh, except no one ever claimed humans evolved from apes. Helps to get the fact right.


14 posted on 10/02/2009 9:23:06 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: GodGunsGuts

The original research this is based on just says that modern apes are as much diverged from the ancient common ancestor as modern humans are.


15 posted on 10/02/2009 9:23:07 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The article clearly states that both apes AND humans evolved from a common ancestor. Science has been saying this right along and it vindicates what Darwin postulated that the human lineage has been going on independently since the times those lines split..since the time of our common ancestor.The Ardi find bears this out.


16 posted on 10/02/2009 9:23:11 AM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Exceptional Humans.....yes. What about the rest of them that are running this country?


17 posted on 10/02/2009 9:23:32 AM PDT by RC2
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To: GodGunsGuts
Let the Roller Derby begin!

The reduction of scientific debate to elbows to the head and knees to the crotch continues apace.

18 posted on 10/02/2009 9:23:38 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Filo

“ROFL.

See how far functional illiteracy will get you?”

You be dissin’ da PUBLIK SKOOLS!

Yo bad mouthin’ functional illiteracy be racist!


19 posted on 10/02/2009 9:24:14 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: La Lydia

This one doesn’t let honesty get in his way. Apparently he got the abridged version of the bible that doesn’t mention lying.


20 posted on 10/02/2009 9:25:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

What about Ape Vigoda? He’s an exceptional actor and simian looking.


21 posted on 10/02/2009 9:25:38 AM PDT by tumblindice (the wheels on the bus go round & round)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Hurry up, kids!

The GGG Short Bus is now loading for Shelbyville and points south!


22 posted on 10/02/2009 9:26:11 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: GodGunsGuts

Why are you posting a pro-evolution church group?

“What matters is what we are now, not what might have been millions of years ago or how we got here. But this report concludes that our common ancestry–still undiscovered–is thrown even further back–with apparently no direct lineage of human beings arising from apes.”


23 posted on 10/02/2009 9:26:19 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts

wow. i’ve known this for 20 years. we have a common ancestor. that’s it. what a horrible headline. and we complain about bias?


24 posted on 10/02/2009 9:27:58 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Of course not. It has been known for years that chimps and humans evolved from a COMMON ANCESTOR. This verifies that and pushes the date of the common ancestor even further back to at least 4 million years ago.


25 posted on 10/02/2009 9:28:56 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: La Lydia
Uh, except no one ever claimed humans evolved from apes. Helps to get the fact right.

Are we splitting hairs between monkeys and apes on what we are calling the "missing" link? I ask in all sincerity. It is commonly theorized that humans and monkeys/apes/primates once had a common ancestor. This article suggests that advances in technologies is finding that the similarities between primates and humans are not much different than those of other mammals, including mice.

What facts are inaccurate?

26 posted on 10/02/2009 9:29:19 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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To: cripplecreek

I was afraid you might miss this. I’m glad to see you found it.


27 posted on 10/02/2009 9:31:25 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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To: Tenacious 1
From the lead: ... human beings apparently did not evolve from apes...
28 posted on 10/02/2009 9:32:46 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: GodGunsGuts
Are we related to apes?

For what it's worth, science (”Darwin's Ghost” by Steve Jones, page 284) tells us that: “About a thousand genes are shared by every organism, however simple or complicated.”

29 posted on 10/02/2009 9:33:29 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (The esence of evil is found in the irrational.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

In the Kung Fu series, the young David Carradine’s blind guru always referred to him as “Grasshopper.”


30 posted on 10/02/2009 9:34:24 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Williams

And it still is. just some of us are more evolved than ohters.


31 posted on 10/02/2009 9:35:47 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: tumblindice

Don’t forget Aperham Lincoln.. He was really important...


32 posted on 10/02/2009 9:41:06 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I beg to differ.... there is plenty of evidence that LIBERALS are descended from apes!
33 posted on 10/02/2009 9:42:26 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington

And the French from Neanderthals .....


34 posted on 10/02/2009 9:43:10 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

And the fact that we were bred and genetically manipulated by the Elohim race from aquatic hominids who came from outer space, so says the lizard people living underground.....


35 posted on 10/02/2009 9:43:13 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Tenacious 1

“..It is commonly theorized that humans and monkeys/apes/primates once had a common ancestor...”

I’m just repeating what you said because this is still theory - not fact as others have stated on this thread.

I would also like to see someone respond to your original question.

Scott


36 posted on 10/02/2009 9:43:56 AM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: xcamel

>> And the French from Neanderthals ..... <<

The basque people share a lot of traits from the Neanderthals, there was some hanky panky goin’ on in France some 30,000 years ago. Of course that was before god existed so it may not count.


37 posted on 10/02/2009 9:44:20 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Wacka
This verifies that and pushes the date of the common ancestor even further back to at least 4 million years ago.

Go back even further and you can say we evolved from the same common ancester as the dinosaurs.

38 posted on 10/02/2009 9:45:49 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Hey Obama. Where is Osama Bin Laden?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Rather than humans evolving from an ancient chimp-like creature, the new find provides evidence that chimps and humans evolved from some long-ago common ancestor — but each evolved and changed separately along the way.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091001/ap_on_sc/us_sci_before_lucy;_ylt=At1O813YUuWoNWedLk.isCCs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTM1bjRzbjRyBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMDAxL3VzX3NjaV9iZWZvcmVfbHVjeQRjcG9zAzEwBHBvcwM3BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDYXJkaTQ0bWlsbGlv


39 posted on 10/02/2009 9:45:53 AM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/user/GloriaJane)
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To: xcamel

And lest we forget, the Genesis story of Cain and his doomed brother, Ape.


40 posted on 10/02/2009 9:46:38 AM PDT by tumblindice (Give me your lunch money, you racist)
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To: Wacka
Of course not. It has been known for years that chimps and humans evolved from a COMMON ANCESTOR. This verifies that and pushes the date of the common ancestor even further back to at least 4 million years ago.

Yeah, yeah, "common ancestor", right. A common ancestor that would be indistinguishable from an ape if we saw it, so we might as well call it one.

Of course, to completely short-circuit this problem, somebody could actually dig it up and show us what it looked like.

Since they keep pushing the divergence date back, at the rate things are going, by the time we actually see this "common ancestor", we will have had time to evolve into something that doesn't care.

41 posted on 10/02/2009 9:49:25 AM PDT by thulldud (It HAS happened here!)
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To: Darkwolf377
Racing to clarify so we don’t have a thread of confusion—the idea is humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor.

That IS what is confused.
The hypothetical common ancestor WAS, in common parlance, just another ape.
42 posted on 10/02/2009 9:50:48 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: xcamel
Oui!
43 posted on 10/02/2009 9:55:48 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Wacka
Of course not. It has been known for years that chimps and humans evolved from a COMMON ANCESTOR. This verifies that and pushes the date of the common ancestor even further back to at least 4 million years ago.

What does it verify? There is not much "common" about this ancestor. From the article:

"People have sort of assumed ... that the last common ancestor was more or less like a chimpanzee." Ardi suggests otherwise — that in fact the earliest known hominid was a "mosaic," ... "It's just a treasure trove of surprises"

44 posted on 10/02/2009 9:57:19 AM PDT by dan1123 (Gov't Healthcare Plan: Break it and Take it.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Human exceptionalism received a boost today with the news that human beings apparently did not evolve from apes”

—Is there anyone that can explain where the author got this idea from?
I don’t know what the ‘firstthings’ site is about, but I’ve read a number of articles on this fossil find and this the first I’ve seen of anyone suggesting such a thing - and the suggestion makes zero sense. I think they are really confused.

It used to be thought that the common ancestor would be essentially a chimp anatomically, and that it was humans that did virtually all the changing physically while chimps changed little since the common ancestor. But the fossil evidence indicates that humans changed less than thought while chimps changed more than thought, and so the common ancestor is as close anatomically to humans as it is to chimps. In other words, the common ancestor is probably as much human-like as it is chimp-like and is roughly an even mixture of both, instead of being mostly a chimp.

Perhaps they are confusing statements from scientists that the common ancestor is ‘less chimp-like’ than thought before for ‘not ape-like’?


45 posted on 10/02/2009 9:57:31 AM PDT by goodusername
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To: goodusername

And certainly not from a “lump of mud” as GGG so vigorously contends...


46 posted on 10/02/2009 9:59:08 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

>> And certainly not from a “lump of mud” as GGG so vigorously contends... <<

And that women came from a man’s rib. I guess the fact that way Sex Chromosomes works was unknown to biblical scholars when they wrote the thing.

God would have had to take all of those cells from the rib and remove the Y chromosome and duplicate the X chromosome. But the bible doesn’t cover this so it must be completely absolutely unequivocally wrong! Based off the same sorta logic YECs use to try to discredit the scientific process.


47 posted on 10/02/2009 10:13:29 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: thulldud
Since they keep pushing the divergence date back, at the rate things are going, by the time we actually see this "common ancestor", we will have had time to evolve into something that doesn't care.

Your comment sparked a thought. At least in my worldly view and knowledge, humans in their current (semi current) capacity as sentient beings have only existed for 5,000 years or so. I have always presumed we are a very young species as it relates to evolution. But as I think about what archaeologist of another, yet further evolved race might think say a million years from now, "humans" may very well be over 4 million years old as a race. It's a little abstract, I know.

Now consider this. It seems to me that most other mammals, reptiles, etc. that have been studied have shown significant evolutionary characteristics over that same time period. Mastodons into several species of elephants for instance. Human evolution over the past 5,000 years can be tracked and seems to evolve faster now than almost any other species, however subtle the evolution seems. Think about it. Some 5,000 years ago we can establish that several different cultures existed in different parts of the world and history in writing and story telling began. Humans were much smaller and didn't live near as long. Our heads continue to get bigger as well. Today, there are stark differences between oriental people, middle eastern people, African people, etc.

Is it conceivable that humans have more than one common ancestor? In other words, is there confusion about which "primordial" apes may have evolved into different human lineages. If primates diverged, then interbred after a significant divergence, a new hominid may have started quite suddenly.

Finally, the dinosaurs dominated the earth for hundreds of millions of years. Humans are far more adaptable. If the logic holds, we should have a billion years of evolution for our species even if you start it 4 million years ago.

Truly, at what point will humans decide trying to find out where we came from will become futile and they will cease to care?

48 posted on 10/02/2009 10:14:24 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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To: tumblindice

>> And lest we forget, the Genesis story of Cain and his doomed brother, Ape. <<

His doomed brother’s name was “Ape-l” not Able, Abel, or Ape.

Minor translation error in a perfectly translated king James version. So if you want the “real” story on our creation one must read the Torah!


49 posted on 10/02/2009 10:15:39 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: xcamel

“And certainly not from a “lump of mud” as GGG so vigorously contends...”

The sheer arrogance on these threads continues to astound me.

What’s amazing to me is to live in God’s creation and treat it as such - and then in the name of ‘science’ or the ‘scientific method’ see His creation torn down into simplistic human theories.


50 posted on 10/02/2009 10:19:59 AM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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