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Did apes descend from us? (first evos say we descended from apes, now say other way around...LOL!!!)
The Star ^ | October 1, 2009 | Joseph Hall

Posted on 10/02/2009 11:00:06 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

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1 posted on 10/02/2009 11:00:07 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

i believe tih postulated that here a long time ago.


2 posted on 10/02/2009 11:01:12 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Isn't the Golden Mean the secret to something," I parried? "Yes," Blue replied. "Mediocrity.")
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To: GodGunsGuts

Is that supposed to be an improvement?? lol

I am convinced we know nothing or next to nothing about anything =o)


3 posted on 10/02/2009 11:01:49 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

ping!


4 posted on 10/02/2009 11:02:29 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Relying on deliberate misstatements and misinterpretations is never going to get the ‘thumpers far. . . unless, of course, the goal is to prove idiocy.


5 posted on 10/02/2009 11:03:17 AM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

bookmark to read later


6 posted on 10/02/2009 11:03:21 AM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: All
If you want to see what an utterly
subjective mess the Temple of Darwin has made out of
their human evolution fairytale, check out the EARLY MAN
section over at Detecting Design.

7 posted on 10/02/2009 11:03:26 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

And then their equally convinced about that!! It’s insane.

“most important ever”

They just don’t care. As long as it’s not the Bible way, then they might have to question their own behavior, and have a population who sees God as the source of their Rights, rather than SCOTUS.


8 posted on 10/02/2009 11:03:41 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Hmmm.

This is just a theory (can I get a government grant?), but I postulate that our early ancestors, faced with a growing body of lazy, inept, whining, morons in their population (liberals), excised them from the rest of the group in order to save the remainder.

Over time, they (liberals) evolved into the hairy, orifice-scratching, sub-humans that we know as apes and monkeys.

Maybe that’s why they’re into Gaia worship - think of it as a generational retirement plan.


9 posted on 10/02/2009 11:04:10 AM PDT by chrisser (Tweet not, lest ye a twit be.)
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To: GeronL

I’m with you. We don’t know where we are, when we are, what we are, or why we are. Other than that, we’ve got it all nailed.


10 posted on 10/02/2009 11:04:25 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: chrisser

LOL!


11 posted on 10/02/2009 11:04:52 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Could have been the offspring of Tarzan and Jane...


12 posted on 10/02/2009 11:04:58 AM PDT by babygene
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To: Filo

Using evidence that says we ascended from a 5 million year old species separate from apes as evidence that we are living on a 6,000 year old planet is a definite non-sequitur and an invitation for ridicule.


13 posted on 10/02/2009 11:06:15 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GodGunsGuts

As I understand it, the consensus idea of evolution has for at least a century been that humans and apes are descended from a common ancestor. I don’t see how this discovery changes that in the least.


14 posted on 10/02/2009 11:07:44 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: GodGunsGuts
From the article:

These images, provided by the journal Science, show reconstructed frontal views of "Ardi," a hominid who lived in what is now Ethiopia 4.4 million years ago.

How does that 4.4 million year figure work with the young Earth theory?

It either blows up the YEC theory or blows up the article in YEC eyes.

You can't have it both ways.

15 posted on 10/02/2009 11:08:17 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: GodGunsGuts

16 posted on 10/02/2009 11:08:58 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Hear us, O Bama. Mmm, mmm, mmm.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Well the question I always ask evo’s is if we evolved from apes, why did we evolve with the immediate need to clothe ourselves. Seriously, if we aren’t bundled up immediately we would die. Makes no sense. The best answer I got was basically, hairless was more sexy, and that’s why we are here. So this argument makes sense inthat respect. Still blatantly false.


17 posted on 10/02/2009 11:09:43 AM PDT by vpintheak (4-times an extremist)
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To: GodGunsGuts

You posted an actual evolutionist link to debate. Good, I have no negative comments for that. Go at it.

This is all speculation of course.


18 posted on 10/02/2009 11:10:00 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: GodGunsGuts
Chimps, he says, experienced much more profound evolutionary changes in their backs, pelvises, limbs, hands and feet as they adapted themselves to life in the trees than we ground dwellers did. "Hominids, it turns out to be, are pretty primitive," Lovejoy says.

Any "scientist" who can say such a thing with a straight face is an idiot.

If humans have evolved less than chimps in a given timespan it's because humans were better suited to their environment to begin with. Or because humans soon started adapting the environment to fit themselves rather than the other way around. Which doesn't exactly sound "primitive" to me.

19 posted on 10/02/2009 11:11:11 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Among other things, research on the 4.4 million year old creature suggests that humans are far more primitive in an evolutionary sense than the great apes — like chimps and gorillas — of today. “

GGG. You are posting another pro-evolution article! Amazing. That is two just today!


20 posted on 10/02/2009 11:12:38 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

The sheer babbling idiocy the Temple of Darwin has been reduced to speaks for itself ;o)


21 posted on 10/02/2009 11:13:44 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

How would that work, exactly? I mean, the hippies tried this in the ‘60s, but most of them can still talk. Sort of.


22 posted on 10/02/2009 11:14:26 AM PDT by Jagman (I love that the FR spell checker doesn't recognize Obama's name!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

This evolution stuff is still happening. I have this brother-in-law . . .


23 posted on 10/02/2009 11:14:53 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: GodGunsGuts
The sheer babbling idiocy the Temple of Darwin has been reduced to speaks for itself ;o)

But the evolution of you into a pro-evolutionist has to be an example of macro-evolution!

24 posted on 10/02/2009 11:14:55 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: humblegunner

If you look into the evo-religious assumptions that go into Temple of Darwin dating methods, you will find that they are just as subjective as their human evolution fairytale.


25 posted on 10/02/2009 11:16:29 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Jagman

==Sort of.

LOL!


26 posted on 10/02/2009 11:17:15 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; All

One massive slapdown was not enough for you today?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2353460/posts


27 posted on 10/02/2009 11:19:58 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Sherman Logan
That is because you know something about the subject and are therefore NOT the Creationists target audience.

The more educated one is, especially in science, the less likely they are to be a Creationist.

It is obvious that Creationist sources know this and thus play to their audience.

28 posted on 10/02/2009 11:20:02 AM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: xcamel

What can I say, it’s hard to resist smacking the Temple of Darwin down when they make it so easy...LOL!


29 posted on 10/02/2009 11:23:33 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
If you look into the evo-religious assumptions that go into Temple of Darwin dating methods, you will find that they are just as subjective as their human evolution fairytale.

I take it you have made yourself an expert on this. Please enlighten the readers.

30 posted on 10/02/2009 11:24:14 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts

If that is really what you think you did, that you have far bigger problems in your life than just being a “YEC”


31 posted on 10/02/2009 11:25:45 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Sherman Logan

These “scientists” survive on grant money, which doesn’t come in when or if a large amount of time and sum of money invested doesn’t result in a “break-through”. Ergo, Ardi is a scientific break-through. It will be interesting to see the paleo-anthropoligist community respond to this over the next few months. These guys/gals have tremendous egos and hate to see their current and prevailing theories edged out.


32 posted on 10/02/2009 11:25:52 AM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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To: humblegunner
You can't have it both ways

Don't hold your breath waiting for GGG to answer that. He refuses to do so.

33 posted on 10/02/2009 11:27:55 AM PDT by gdani (I just want to be left on this block of ice...)
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To: babygene

“the offspring of Tarzan and Jane”

Tarzan, Cheetah the chimp and a fast spotted cat had
contest to determine who would be king of the jungle.

Tarzan would swing from vines, the chimp, from branch to branch and the chee-
screw this


34 posted on 10/02/2009 11:31:51 AM PDT by tumblindice (Give me your lunch money, you racist)
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To: ColdWater; All
==I take it you have made yourself an expert on this. Please enlighten the readers.

Radiometric Dating Questions and Answers


What is radiocarbon dating? Is it accurate?

Are there examples of inaccurate results obtained from the potassium/argon dating method (the most cited method)?

How can the radiometric dates of millions and billions of years old be so wrong?

Is there any evidence that radioactive decay rate might not have been constant?

What is the current creationist thinking on radiohalos (formerly called ‘pleochroic halos’)?


35 posted on 10/02/2009 11:33:00 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: xcamel

That’s because biblical creation is not a problem, except, of course, to rabid Temple of Darwin fanatics such as yourself :o(


36 posted on 10/02/2009 11:34:41 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

What do Zera and Cornelius have to say about this?


37 posted on 10/02/2009 11:39:52 AM PDT by AnnGora (As a result of the Stimulus Bill, Napoleon has no more tots to give.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

There are approx. 120,000 ‘temples’ on planet earth, not a single one has “Darwin” posted over the door.

When you find one... let me know, otherwise, keep your pitiful insults to yourself.


38 posted on 10/02/2009 11:45:01 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I mean...these darwinists??????????

No creation.....but, all this matter from an infinitesimally small point that was held together by gravity, the weak force for crying out loud, when a disturbance unleash in a big bang and viola’....here we are.

And they think we are silly in our faith in a God that created everything........BAWHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

God is not mocked, he will take the crafty in their own craftiness.

Time will end, and the truth of God will prevail.

39 posted on 10/02/2009 11:45:55 AM PDT by Puckster
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But the time of God is infinite, and the mind of man is small, as you just proved so beautifully.


40 posted on 10/02/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The Y-5 pattern in dentition surely seems “human” from Australopithicus on. I think the key was human’s eventual ability to abstract information from their environment, such as Neanderthals placment of flowers in the “graves” of their deceased thus recognizing “something” beyond themselves.

All seems of God to me.


41 posted on 10/02/2009 11:50:12 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: AnnGora

“Maybe our subjugation of the human race was justified after all.”


42 posted on 10/02/2009 11:52:58 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Hey GodGunsGuts - we’re all talking about Obama’s Epic Fail in Copenhagen. Why don’t you come out of your one-subject hole for a while and participate in the bigger world that exists?


43 posted on 10/02/2009 11:54:50 AM PDT by bolobaby
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“Being that we are the image and likeness, we should expect to see traces of this in both our objective (i.e., bodily) and subjective (i.e., mental) states. Furthermore, there is no reason to believe that other animals shouldn’t share traces of this absoluteness, only in lesser forms, as they are “descended” from man, rather then vice versa.

“In other words, in relative, horizontal, and Darwinian terms, we may be “descended” from animals (or ascended, really), but in absolute and vertical terms the reverse is true. An ape is a partial manifestation of man; man is not a “perfect ape,” although Keith Olbermann comes close. ~ G.B.

More: http://tiny.cc/xQnTK

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“Also, a key point is that the lower animals are vertically descended from man, whereas horizontally speaking it is the reverse. Thus we see “traces of humanness” in the lower animals, and traces of animality in man.” ~ G. B.

“Yes, to say that Adam “names the animals” is to say that man knows their vertical essences.” ~ Petey

More: http://tiny.cc/SYz9q

bttt


44 posted on 10/02/2009 11:55:10 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (A Socialist becomes a Fascist the minute he tries to enforce his "beliefs" on the rest of us.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Then why are the Temple of Darwin scientists saying that this “research brings into question the belief that our most distant ancestors descended from apes”?


45 posted on 10/02/2009 11:58:44 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: downtownconservative

>> These “scientists” survive on grant money, which doesn’t come in when or if a large amount of time and sum of money invested doesn’t result in a “break-through”. Ergo, Ardi is a scientific break-through. It will be interesting to see the paleo-anthropoligist community respond to this over the next few months. These guys/gals have tremendous egos and hate to see their current and prevailing theories edged out. <<

There is a lot of Ego in Science, I am a bit ashamed in that they are still dismissive of the “Aquatic Hominid” theory which has a lot of laudable observations on where we came from and why. Also a lot better hypothesis on some of the traits that separate us from the apes.

I miss the pure scientists of the 1900’s through 1950’s who slaved away in labs making the world a better place through science. Now days we get people who claim they are scientists but take the facts of the world around them and abuse them by bending them in to fit their agendas either the Global Warming crowd, or the YEC crowd.

Science is the not the belief in Science as a replacement for God, but Science is the applied practice of skepticism and methodical experimentation as a tool to understand the world in which we live in.


46 posted on 10/02/2009 11:58:51 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GodGunsGuts; ColdWater
75% of your links are invalid, the rest come from unaccredited non-scientific sources.

FAIL.


47 posted on 10/02/2009 11:59:00 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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Well the question I always ask evo’s is if we evolved from apes, why did we evolve with the immediate need to clothe ourselves. Seriously, if we aren’t bundled up immediately we would die. Makes no sense.

We're built for running around central Africa in the heat of the day when any sane animal is looking for shade. Very few other animals have sweat glands over their entire bodies to dump as much heat as we can. Get outside of the 90° weather and we start shivering.

48 posted on 10/02/2009 11:59:31 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Rio: Gold / Madrid: Silver / Tokyo: Bronze / Obama: Lead weight.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“It is an unsolved mystery to evolutionists as to why coal has 14C in
it,23 or wood supposedly many millions of years old still has 14C present,
but it makes perfect sense in a creationist worldview.”

Ha Ha Ha. You above link was written to mislead the ignorant and lazy.

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/carbon-kb.pdf

Radioisotope evidence presents significant problems for the young earth position. Baumgardner and the
RATE team are to be commended for tackling the subject, but their “intrinsic radiocarbon” explanation does
not work. The previously published radiocarbon AMS measurements can generally be explained by
contamination, mostly due to sample chemistry. The RATE coal samples were probably contaminated in
situ. RATE’s processed diamond samples were probably contaminated in the sample chemistry. The
unprocessed diamond samples probably reflect instrument background. Coal and diamond samples have
been measured by others down to instrument background levels, giving no evidence for intrinsic
radiocarbon.


49 posted on 10/02/2009 11:59:53 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts

The webpage cannot be found


50 posted on 10/02/2009 12:03:33 PM PDT by ColdWater
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