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Is Thermonuclear India a Fizzle?
GlobalPost ^ | 09/29/2009 | Jason Overdorf

Posted on 10/02/2009 9:26:42 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Days before President Barack Obama told the United Nations that he hoped to push through a universal treaty to ban all nuclear weapons testing by the end of 2010, a top Indian scientist threw New Delhi's security establishment for an atomic loop.

Kasturiranga Santhanam, the coordinator of India's 1998 nuclear tests, went public with allegations that India's much heralded Pokhran II test of a thermonuclear bomb 11 years ago was actually a fizzle.

"We are totally naked vis-a-vis China, which has an inventory of 200 nuclear bombs, the vast majority of which are giant H-bombs of power equal to three million tons of TNT," Santhanam told reporters in New Delhi this week.

Naturally, the bizarre exercise in reverse brinkmanship ("About that bomb we told you we have...") did not go down well. India's 1998 demonstration of thermonuclear capability -- fission-based bombs with a force of 100 kilotons or more -- was the cause of great celebration in a country still fighting for a voice in global affairs and sandwiched between a belligerent, hereditary enemy in Pakistan and a frightening potential future adversary in China.

By calling its success into question, scientist K. Santhanam, who was director of test site preparations for Pokhran II, shook the country's confidence in its nuclear deterrent at a moment when the long, frustrating peace process with Pakistan seems as futile as ever.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: india; nuclearbomb; nuclearweapons; southasia; thermonuclear; thermonuclearbomb
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To: FredZarguna
One US test was a "dud". A few Russian efforts are believed to have been in some early cases publicity stunts that probably failed

I think Britain faked one of their tests also.

21 posted on 10/02/2009 10:50:18 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp
I think Britain faked one of their tests also

Wouldn't surprise me. It was a prestige club, and people forget how hot the Cold War was at some points in the late forties/early fifties -- a lot of history ignoramuses think the Cuban Missile Crisis was the only "near thing."

The NoKoreans had a very low yield in the one test we actually have confirmed and that wasn't even an H-Bomb. Some analysts thought it might actually be a conventional high explosive test it was so feeble. I believe that probably means it was Plutonium.

22 posted on 10/02/2009 11:18:38 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Also take into account the fighting spirit and capability of India’s Sikhs, who are a minority in India’s armed services (army, navy, air force).


23 posted on 10/03/2009 2:50:37 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: FreedomCalls

And there’d be no Cold War as we know it.


24 posted on 10/03/2009 2:51:35 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: FredZarguna
The energy released in the secondary fusion is used to irradiate a third stage of depleted uranium or some other non-fissile material which then becomes fissionable, goes critical, and detonates.

What you're describing sounds like flint lock rifle technology applied to nuclear weapons - click, clack, fiss, boom.

25 posted on 10/03/2009 5:14:25 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Maureen Dowd is right. I DON'T like our President's color. He's a Red.)
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To: grey_whiskers
we could have forestalled a LOT of the world's current problems by nuking Stalin in 1946...

Amen to that, brother, and several million Russians would still be alive. Patton was right - we should have taken Russia while we were there and had the Germans to fight with us, although I totally understand why nobody wanted to keep fighting. Even with a fire brand like Patton, invading Russia would have been an extremely risky proposition, but I'm sure he had already thought of that, given his knowledge of military history.

26 posted on 10/03/2009 5:17:14 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Maureen Dowd is right. I DON'T like our President's color. He's a Red.)
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To: posterchild

Yes. Their mistake may have been using just one fission trigger, instead of multiple.


27 posted on 10/03/2009 5:19:32 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: FredZarguna

The North Korean test in 2006 was a fusion dud, too, I believe.


28 posted on 10/03/2009 5:27:27 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: sonofstrangelove

I don’t think your diagram is accurate. That device would FIZZLE.


29 posted on 10/03/2009 5:32:26 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Hardastarboard
had the Germans to fight with us,

After uncovering the camps, no one wanted anything to do with the Germans...

30 posted on 10/03/2009 6:35:20 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: FredZarguna

Check up on your history, China has attacked India in the past.


31 posted on 10/03/2009 6:49:03 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: myknowledge

That might be more than offset by the Muzzie uprising within India.


32 posted on 10/03/2009 7:21:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: sonofstrangelove

India should stop buying Russian weapons NOW and buy our stuff. In the end, Russia will stab India in the back if there is global conflict against the US by Russia and China.

Plus, we need the ally in the region. India has the potential of being very powerful with their help. And yes, we should help them with their nuclear weapons program.


33 posted on 10/03/2009 7:44:26 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I read a recent report of some border troubles in the area where the 1962 war was fought between China and India.


34 posted on 10/03/2009 7:55:49 AM PDT by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: FreedomCalls
Nukes suck, but we could have forestalled a LOT of the world's current problems by nuking Stalin in 1946...

And creating a whole different set of 'em.

You can also make a case for forestalling a lot of the worlds past and present problems if the Germans had won the first world war.

35 posted on 10/03/2009 8:09:37 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Or he’s got a side biz working with a foreign gov to destabilize India.

I don’t see it being true, had it been a fizzle 11 years ago, India would have worked to make it happen.


36 posted on 10/03/2009 8:13:28 AM PDT by Rebelbase (This is the time of year when ACORNS fall.)
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To: Freeport
Check up on your history, China has attacked India in the past.

So? Check up on my post. I don't say anything about that.

37 posted on 10/03/2009 11:09:54 AM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: posterchild

A thermonuke is none other than a hydrogen bomb

a bomb whose violent explosive power is due to the sudden release of atomic energy resulting from the fusion of light nuclei (as of hydrogen atoms) at very high temperature and pressure to form helium nuclei (webster)


38 posted on 10/03/2009 11:29:31 AM PDT by omega4179 (pos approval rating -11)
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To: sonofstrangelove

BZZZTT! Thermonuclear bombs are fusion bombs — H bombs — not fission bombs — A bombs.


39 posted on 10/03/2009 12:22:04 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: SeeSharp

I think I read a book about this once. The Jesus Factor?

parsy, whose memory is going downhill


40 posted on 10/03/2009 9:30:44 PM PDT by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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