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Maya has no COLB & Mr. & Mrs. Obama Sr. were married?
Vanity | 10-3-2009 | Frantzie

Posted on 10/02/2009 9:58:24 PM PDT by Frantzie

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/doh-reverses-course-releases-index-data-for-president-obama-stanley-ann-and-barack-sr-no-records-for-maya-exist/#comments

Looks like Maya has no COLB according to Leo's record search and the parents were married.


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To: Ready4Freddy
Not if the father is a foreign national. It actually depends on the residency history of the mother and the statutory requirements at that time (1970).

Again, it's all there on the State Dept.'s website:

Since SAD was 27 when Maya was born in 1970, it appears Maya was eligible for U.S. citizenship at birth.

21 posted on 10/02/2009 10:54:48 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Ready4Freddy

Maya was not an automatic American citizen.
But she was 99% there at birth due to having an American mother and merely had to file for naturalization at age 18 and no one gets turned down for this

If Maya had been born on US soil she would have been a US citizen at birth just like offspring of illegal aliens are (UNFORTUNATELY)


22 posted on 10/02/2009 11:03:07 PM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: Drew68
Since SAD was 27 when Maya was born in 1970, it appears Maya was eligible for U.S. citizenship at birth.

In Maya's case, perhaps so, if SAD was resident in the US for the required time (how long did she live here before heading to Indonesia?). Her US residency alone at the time of bHussein0's birth, at least, was not sufficient to convey citizenship.

23 posted on 10/02/2009 11:04:54 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Everyone knows there's a difference between muslims & terrorists... no one knows what it is, though.)
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To: Vendome

The mother’s citizenship.


24 posted on 10/02/2009 11:09:21 PM PDT by paudio (Road to hell is paved by unintended consequences of good intentions)
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To: dennisw
But she was 99% there at birth due to having an American mother and merely had to file for naturalization at age 18 and no one gets turned down for this.

A common misconception, that US citizenship of one parent is in and of itself sufficient to convey citizenship to offspring. Young women who have married foreign nationals and moved to the husband's county have found out the hard way that there are further requirements.

There are more than a few children trapped in ME countries, as well as some European ones (notably Germany). State won't lift a finger to help the mothers gain custody of their kids because the kids are not US citizens.

25 posted on 10/02/2009 11:13:29 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Everyone knows there's a difference between muslims & terrorists... no one knows what it is, though.)
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To: dennisw

I meant to mention - if Maya’s mom met the residency requirements, it would not result in ‘naturalization’, but the conveyance of birthright citizenship.

One doesn’t have to wait until age 18 to perfect US citizenship in the situation we’re discussing, but sometimes the other country requires that the person be 18 to renounce citizenship (if required) of that country.


26 posted on 10/02/2009 11:26:40 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Everyone knows there's a difference between muslims & terrorists... no one knows what it is, though.)
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To: Drew68; Ready4Freddy
I've always thought that whether or not Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, the real point is that supposing it were true that would be a technicality. In the sense that the purpose of the constitutional "natural born citizen" provision was to seek to limit the office of POTUS to patriotic Americans -a set of which Mr. Obama has apparently never been a member.
I’m certainly familiar w/ FS-240, but simply being born abroad to a foreign father & American mother isn’t sufficient to convey American citizenship.
A few documents have to be submitted. Follow the link. It isn't a difficult process.
I note that you are speaking in the present tense. Much of the discussion of Obama's citizenship at birth that I've seen relates to the requirements for birth citizenship under the laws existing on the date of Obama's birth. Which were not the same as those applicable to babies born to American citizens abroad today.

27 posted on 10/02/2009 11:29:30 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (SPENDING without representation is tyranny. To represent us you have to READ THE BILLS.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
I note that you are speaking in the present tense. Much of the discussion of Obama's citizenship at birth that I've seen relates to the requirements for birth citizenship under the laws existing on the date of Obama's [or anyone's]birth.

Both Drew68 & I are relating the applicable requirements to the time in question (1970 for Maya), cIs. If there's any difference in our approaches, it's that Drew refers to the State Dept site and my source is the USC itself. The USC spells out the requirements at various points in time. In immigration law the important cutoffs are 11/14/86, 12/24/52, and various 'befores'.

I think the '52 requirements (10/5 after 14) were barely adequate, and the '86 revison (5/2) is ridiculously lax.

The 'befores' are interesting - most differentiated between the gender of the US citizen parent; a US citizen father passing his citizenship essentially automatically, whereas a US citizen mother abroad had far more stringent hoops to jump through.

28 posted on 10/02/2009 11:52:06 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Everyone knows there's a difference between muslims & terrorists... no one knows what it is, though.)
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To: pissant
Sounds to me as if Leo is trying to minimize speculation. He hasn't wavered from his assumption that Obama was born in Hawaii. His careful analysis of Hawaiian law has caused movement, and generated new information.

Now I could speculate, and will, wondering at the response by Fukino providing the fact that Stanley Ann and Barack were bride and groom, but not asserting that they were parents.

29 posted on 10/03/2009 12:00:48 AM PDT by Spaulding
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To: LibFreeOrDie
" Maya was born in Indonesia, so why would anyone expect her to have a birth certificate from Hawaii? "

This should explain it, back then, Hawaii left some wiggle room for shenanigans to happen for people who had children in another country to bring them here in Hawaii and proclaim they were born in Hawaii.

Read this 2 or 3 times to get the gist of it.
Clearing the Smoke on Obama's Eligibility
30 posted on 10/03/2009 12:06:39 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Ready4Freddy
" I’m certainly familiar w/ FS-240, but simply being born abroad to a foreign father & American mother isn’t sufficient to convey American citizenship. "

It may, or may not, for American citizenship, but, not conveying " Natural Born " citizenship.
31 posted on 10/03/2009 12:12:14 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: SaraJohnson

Who’s older. If Barack is older, then he definitely wasn’t born in the US.


32 posted on 10/03/2009 12:40:29 AM PDT by TheThinker
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To: TheThinker


“Who’s older. If Barack is older, then he definitely wasn’t born in the US.”


I believe Obama is older but I don’t get what you are saying.


33 posted on 10/03/2009 12:44:32 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: paudio
Am I wrong?

I think you are probably right. Although this is a matter of a bit of obscurity due to the changing laws on the subject, the British law that made Obama a British colonial subject at birth may not have operated to that effect if he had been born out of wedlock to his British father.

I think the evidence is that Obama's parents WERE married (otherwise a divorce would not have been needed) and that Obama WAS a British subject at birth, and that he was not, therefore, a natural born citizen of the United States. I believe that this is the classic example is who the Framers intended to bar from the Presidency by their use of the phrase: someone who could be claimed as a national by Great Britain.

34 posted on 10/03/2009 2:50:37 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Ready4Freddy

Indonesia is a birthright citizenship country, extending Indonesian citizenship only to individuals with an Indonesian father, and to ALL children born in Indonesia of an Indonesian father. Moreover, in the 1960s Indonesia didn’t recognize dual citizenship. At Maya’s birth her mother (and father) would have had to make a decision: whether to use Maya’s mother to claim US citizenship for the daughter. I suspect that they did so. Otherwise Maya would have had to go through a complete adult naturalization process, which I don’t think she needed to do.


35 posted on 10/03/2009 2:57:36 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine
I think the evidence is that Obama's parents WERE married (otherwise a divorce would not have been needed) and that Obama WAS a British subject at birth, and that he was not, therefore, a natural born citizen of the United States. I believe that this is the classic example is who the Framers intended to bar from the Presidency by their use of the phrase: someone who could be claimed as a national by Great Britain. 

Further proof is how Chester A Arthur successfully covered up his British born father
He was frantic to do this because his cover-ups took place in 1880-1890
When the Constitution was fresher and its intent was clearer
The liberals and progressives have obscured and muddied up the Constitution since then
36 posted on 10/03/2009 4:29:13 AM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: dennisw

If Maya was American at birth (through her mother) then she was an American citizen. It seems you misunderstand the concept of “naturalization”. Naturalization is the process by which a non-citizen becomes a citizen. Now if she had a claim to citizenship at birth, but did not assert that claim until she was older - that is someting entirely different.


37 posted on 10/03/2009 5:53:15 AM PDT by August West (Pink Kool Aid, Green Kool-Aid; it doesn't matter, as long as they drink it.)
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To: Ready4Freddy

AS long as the U.S. citizen parent has lived 5 years in the U.S. (2 after the age of 15) AND can prove it, then the kid can lay claim to U.S. citizenship. I know, I’ve done it.


38 posted on 10/03/2009 6:00:34 AM PDT by August West (Pink Kool Aid, Green Kool-Aid; it doesn't matter, as long as they drink it.)
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To: Frantzie

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/doh-reverses-course-releases-index-data-for-president-obama-stanley-ann-and-barack-sr-no-records-for-maya-exist/#comments


39 posted on 10/03/2009 6:12:37 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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To: Right Wing Assault

Reading white on black text is a pain!


40 posted on 10/03/2009 6:13:49 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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