Posted on 10/04/2009 4:01:24 PM PDT by Doug Loss
We've all seen calls for a third party (which would be disastrous I think, given the lack of success third parties have had since 1860) and countering calls for taking control of the Republican Party. But what has been distinctly missing is any idea of how to do either of these things.
I'm not going to bother about how to form a third party, as I think it would be at best a waste of time. Instead, I'm going to present an idea and a website that gives concrete instructions on how to start to take control of the Republican Party. Oh, they don't say "Republican Party," but you know that they don't mean the National Socialists (excuse me, the Democrats).
Wag The Dog 2010 begins to lay out the precinct concept of seizing the party from the bottom up. It differs from state to state, but usually all you need is 5-10 signatures from party members within your voting precinct to get on the primary ballot as a candidate for precinct official for your party. Once you become that official, you get to vote (generally, I'm sure it varies a bit from place to place) for the county party officials about a month later. Those county party officials in turn determine the state officials, etc.
The secret is, many precinct positions are vacant because no one is interested in getting on the ballot, and many others go to the same old folks every time for the same reason. If you're associated with a local tea party organization or anything like that, you can look into getting your people into precinct official positions and take over your county party organization.
Folks, this is what it will take to make the changes we all want to make. Go look at this website, join up if you're of a mind to, but take the ideas seriously and let's start working on actually making a change, not just talking about it!
sory old lindsey graham says he is representative of conservative republicans hahahha
Levin’s Conservative Manifesto in his “Liberty & Tyranny” is another a good reference.
Tinky Winky Lindsay and Mad Juan can go join the Rat Part...err, I mean, go to hell.
Why not be open and list your connection to Ron Paul?
John Condit Jr, prominently shown and mentioned on hte site, seems to be a big Ron Paul supporter.
http://ronpaul.meetup.com/6/members/4603934/
Why not just openly say you are Ron Paul followers and with the other Ron Paul groups, have decided to sabotage others to seize control of the party and finish it off?
The Liberatrian Party message has never fully caught on. Hanging an “R” behind it won’t change much.
No vote, and no sale.
Because my friend, I’m not a Paulista and never have been. You want to disparage the message because you don’t like the messenger. If you want to take control of the Republican Party, this is the way to do it. Whether you like who came up with the idea or not, it’s still a good idea.
Exactly Rab! Nice job! LOL!
Yeah, I know, f- the Constitution, f- limited government, f- personal liberty, f- individualism. Let's all get behind the Big Government RINO bandwagon and call it "conservatism" like we did under the leftist Bush. /sarc
Hate to tell you, but I am already a PCO, as we list ourselves here and have a seat on the County Party Executive Board.
Are you denying the connection between Condit and Paul?
I see what the Paulista’s are doing here and how crafty they are in doing exactly what you mention.
I see how the Liberty Caucus sets up right next to Republican booths here and furthers their agenda, not the party’s.
So please explain, since you are not a Paulista, why feature an interview with a strong Paulista on your website?
I've always thought of them as Rondementalists.
And abandon a strong defense of America and wait until they are running through our streets.
Heard it all before.
You’re not very clear...are you for or against trying to take over the Republican Party?
If the GOP doesn't offer me something I like, they don't get me as a supporter. It's dead simple.
The ‘Rat parasite infection runs deep in the GOP. I highly doubt you can save the patient. The patient embraces the parasites.
First, it’s not my website. Second, I purely don’t care if Condit is for Paul or not. The idea is still a good one. If you’re already a PCO, then you know how it works. Are you trying to recruit people of like mind to become PCOs in their own precincts? That’s how to take the Republican Party from the RINOs. If you leave it to the Paulistas and they succeed in taking it, you only have yourself to blame. And if you think the Paulistas are crafty and nefarious, why aren’t you interested in using their ideas to oppose them? You aren’t making logical sense.
Maybe it is time to brake the 2 party. So far the dems and pubs have screwed our Country up big Time!!!!!!
Break open the arms lockers and let’s have a mutiny. The ship can be repurposed and directed to directly engage the real enemy.
If that question is paraphrased and given to all of our elected (R)s in congress so that it read: "Are you defenders of America and it's constitution or defenders of the beltway?" The obvious answer, proven by their actions is; Defenders of the BELTWAY!
When we find one, JUST ONE defender of our constitution who will stand tall and expose wrong doing and lawbreaking no matter which side it is coming from I will work tirelessly for his ...her election.
You should get the pulitzer prize for that cover!!!!
Wait until **who** is "running through our streets"?
Wait, who was it exactly who was all for open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens???
The Republican Party.
Wait, I forgot. Your idea of "defense" is conducting nation-building and spreading "democracy" to foreign Powers that pose "perceived" threats to the American Empire...
...just like Wilson and FDR.
There’s nothing wrong with an audit of the FED.
My point. If you want a viable conservative party, and quickly, you can only get it by taking over an existing structure. Building a new one from the ground up would take too long, and would guarantee leftist control for as long as it took to get it to major party status. By then the USA would be done for. Instead, the grassroots need to seize the reins of the GOP, and this is the way to do so. Just because someone with libertarian creds proposed it doesn’t make it automatically a bad idea.
I think it would be useful to have a parallel agenda to take over the Democrat party also. With the current Democrat leadership becoming Marxist radicals and the GOP leadership becoming Democrat Lite we need to retake a lot of ideological ground. The whole stage for discussion has drifted way to the left.
For example, JFK’s pitch for a capital gains tax cut seemed more conservative than McCains middle of the road moderation.
Of course it is. The new party would be full of the same people. A new party doesn't give you a brand new set voters. You're stuck with the same voting public the two parties we have now pull from. Real change is going to have to come from a change of heart in the voting public. Nothing short of that is going to change anything.
Perot teaches that it is the only way.
True, taking over the Democrat Party would be another goal to shoot for. But how many people of a traditional American mindset are left in the Democrat Party? Could enough of them get elected as precinct officials to make a difference? It’s worth the effort, just to weaken the Dems ideologically, but I doubt there’s much chance of changing the party back to one that actually wants to abide by the Constitution.
I’m interested in stopping Paulistas from burying the party and getting more people like Duncan Hunter into it.
There is a reason Paul never advanced beyond the low polling he did, in spite of getting more press coverage than strong conservatives like Hunter.
Embracing Paulistas like Condit and many others won’t save the party.
The embedded themselves deep into the party last year without revealing their strong support for Paul.
They did not support McCain but continued in support of Paul and threw their votes away. I didn’t like McCain either, but saw it was him or Obama and you see who we got.
Paulista’s have been very bold in mentioning their intent to infiltrate the GOP, use up the resources for their people and give nothing back or support GOP candidates.
So yes, I am encouraging others who see the Paulista’s for what they are to run against them in the next elections for PCO.
I also make every effort to expose them every chance I get.
Don’t forget, when it comes to working alomngside them, you lie down with dogs don’t be surprised to wake up with fleas.
What I think (hope!) you’re missing is that a great portion of the voting public feels that neither party represents their values and principles. If we could take the Republican Party and make it into a robust conservative voice, I think you’d see a response from the public that would surprise you. At least I hope we’re not past the point of no return.
Who said there was?
My opposition to Paul is his mamby mamby method of defense.
How many terms did President Perot serve? Perot’s only success was to put Clinton in office, proving my point.
You’d wind up with the same people demanding the same things and you’d be back to square one before you knew what happened.
Nation-building is not defense.
So what’s your solution, to sit back and complain loudly? That won’t help anything. If you’re not willing to try, you don’t have much room to grouse about the situation.
If you don’t think it would make any difference then there’s no reason for you to try to change anything. Just don’t complain about the situation if you’re not willing to even try to fix it.
Well said. I’ve been doing what you recommend for years, the problem is obvious from the responses. Too many have no intrest in doing anything but complaining.
Better yet, find a way to bring them into the fold. The libertarians I know are all gun toting, fire breathing conservatives who like their vice of smoking dope and cringe at the country’s tax and spend, spend, spend until if buries us.
I’d rather have these guys on my side in a fight than the metrosexuals we’ll all end up having to physically defend on day anyway.
Huh? I clearly stated what needed to be done in my original post in this thread. Just because I disagree that a 3rd party is the answer, doesn’t mean that I suggested doing nothing.
Starting a 3rd party is just the wrong answer to an obvious problem.
Personally, I’m not scared of small-l libertarians. I lean that way myself (I don’t remotely condone drug use, but I don’t like to see government use any excuse it can to intrude even more into people’s personal lives). As far as I’m concerned, you don’t have to agree with the libertarian-minded on all things to be able to agree with them on throwing the big-government RINOs out of control of the party. Do that first, then you can fight about the other bits.
Waiting until our children must dodge ied’s to and from school isn’t defense either.
It’s insanity.
I agree. Conservatives, I think, have their own caucus. If they do not, they should. But that caucus should only include conservative voting records. IOW, no matter how many times a moderate says they are conservative, moderates are not and never will be. Starting with the RNC and right on down the line, we need to support with $$’s ONLY conservatives. We also need a lot more candidates who are in it to serve, not to get re-elected, and who can get out there among the voters and give articulate, honest, positive messages and solutions.
Sorry, from your last post I thought you were saying that nothing would make any difference, which is pretty much the same as saying don’t bother trying. What do you suggest, then?
And what party would that be? Sorry, it isn’t happening.
Likewise I lost faith in several men I had respected before when no one came forward to object to traitor Sandy Berger's wrist slap allowing him to skate off into the sunset without testifying what secrets he really stole, what he really did with the documents and who put him up to the thefts.
Like I said; the republicans we have in office are loyal only to the beltway. They don't care any more about us than Braney Frank does.
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