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SEND MORE SOLDIERS, FURIOUS FRONTLINE TROOPS TELL MINISTER
Daily Express ^ | Monday, October 5, 2009 | John Ingham

Posted on 10/04/2009 5:24:11 PM PDT by kristinn

MILITARY anger boiled over last night after Defence Secretary Bob Ainsworth rebuffed a plea from front-line soldiers for immediate reinforcements in Afghanistan.

Mr Ainsworth had asked soldiers who have just endured a gruelling and bloody six-month tour what they needed. Without hesitation he was told: “More troops”.

But the Defence Secretary – in Afghanistan with Home Secretary Alan Johnson, ironically to boost morale – merely replied that reinforcements would “take time”.

Staff Sgt Kim Hughes, who will shortly return to his family in Shropshire, said: “It’s been a ridiculously busy, ridiculously hard tour. We have lost two guys.

“Clearly more troops are needed on the ground, but then the same could be said for equipment.”

The troops were backed last night by the new head of the Army, General Sir David Richards, who said sending more men to Afghanistan would reduce casualties.

Britain has lost 219 personnel in Afghanistan since operations began in 2001, including 82 so far this year amid the bloodiest summer of the campaign.

The majority lost this year were killed by roadside bombs or improvised explosive devices.

Defence chiefs are considering increasing Britain’s military presence from the current 9,000 to about 10,000.

SNIP

British troops complain that they can take ground from the Taliban but do not have enough men to hold it. They have to keep retaking areas over and over again, increasing the risk of casualties.

(Excerpt) Read more at express.co.uk ...


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God bless our British allies in uniform.
1 posted on 10/04/2009 5:24:11 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Ditto. Bump.


2 posted on 10/04/2009 5:25:14 PM PDT by library user
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To: kristinn
Give them what they need, or get them the Hell out of there.

Stop the dithering.

3 posted on 10/04/2009 5:27:34 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: kristinn

ZERO SHOULD BE IMPEACHED FOR VIOLATING HIS OATH OF OFFICE. HE IS NOT PROTECTING US FROM ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. OUR SOLDIERS AND OUR ALLIES SOLDIERS ARE BEING SLAUGHTERED WHILE HE GOES ON DATES WITH THE FIRST HAG!!!! And, yes I’m shouting!!


4 posted on 10/04/2009 5:30:59 PM PDT by taillightchaser (When a democrat says "The American people" you know the next words out of his mouth will be lies.)
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To: kristinn

Everywhere, dithering seems to be the word of the day..


5 posted on 10/04/2009 5:33:08 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: kristinn

This makes me BEYOND sick. Either PULL THEM OUT.....or FIGHT, dammit! I think Zero and Brown WANT our boys and girls to be slaughtered and claim a loss. That would gratify the left-wing base. Then they can lay the blame on Bush. That’s all they’re about. Laying it on Bush.......using our troops.


6 posted on 10/04/2009 5:37:09 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear ('They're drinking the juice.'~ Barack H. Obama)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

For Obozo, the men and women of the armed forces are little more than little plastic army men. He has no respect or understanding of the armed forces.


7 posted on 10/04/2009 5:49:38 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

I believe you’re absolutely right....unfortunately.


8 posted on 10/04/2009 5:53:10 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear ('They're drinking the juice.'~ Barack H. Obama)
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To: kristinn
God protect these brave man and women.

It doesn't look like our elected officials will.

9 posted on 10/04/2009 5:53:13 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Army Air Corps
British troops complain that they can take ground from the Taliban but do not have enough men to hold it. They have to keep retaking areas over and over again, increasing the risk of casualties.

Where have we heard this before? Oh yea, Nam.

L

10 posted on 10/04/2009 6:24:22 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

bump


11 posted on 10/04/2009 6:26:05 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Lurker

Indeed. And the crap ROE do not help matters one bit. Obama wants to parley with the enemy and bow to them instead of making life painful for them.


12 posted on 10/04/2009 6:29:09 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: SE Mom

Everywhere, dithering seems to be the word of the day..
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I was just thinking exactly the same thing!

I don’t recall anyone ever using the word “dithering” when George Bush was the Commander in Chief!


13 posted on 10/04/2009 6:30:25 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: kristinn

So.....Barry is pissing off our allies and reducing America’s image in the world, and is still blaming Bush for the very same thing? Bizzarroo World indeed!


14 posted on 10/04/2009 6:33:14 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

HOW can our brave people fight with their hands chained behind the post modern rules of engagement?

Bizarre rules of honor used to fight a cunning suicidal and maniacal enemy. As history has shown with other great battles against muslims (and Nazis) - only total war will work.


15 posted on 10/04/2009 6:38:19 PM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: kristinn

16 posted on 10/04/2009 6:40:40 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: mware

You mean ACORN’s elected officials, we didn’t vote for him. They certainly did and all the people they paid to vote for him!


17 posted on 10/04/2009 6:50:28 PM PDT by azkathy (Branded by the Rodeo Chediski Fire)
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To: azkathy

God please protect our soldiers and disable their enemies because our current commander in chief is more worried about TV and late night entertainment than our TROOPS!


18 posted on 10/04/2009 6:52:58 PM PDT by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: azkathy
I am so torn by all this.

If Obama is not going to give our men the supplies, assistance and reinforcements they need to win, we should not risk their lives, and bring them home.

The thing is I think that is exactly why Obama is not committing the troops.

19 posted on 10/04/2009 6:53:40 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: eleni121

Absolutely. Zero WANTS their hand tied simply because he doesn’t want them to win. Then he can blame Bush.


20 posted on 10/04/2009 6:55:38 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear ('They're drinking the juice.'~ Barack H. Obama)
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To: mware

I know it is tough and horrible to have our young men and women fighting without the much needed supplies and reinforcements.

My theory from the beginning has been, “If these soldiers are not fighting the terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan, the terrorists will be in America shooting at our grandmothers and children in the streets.”

I don’t have proof of this, but I know our soldiers have been a magnet to the terrorists in the Middle East. Our soldiers have volunteered to protect America and our people.


21 posted on 10/04/2009 6:57:58 PM PDT by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: mware

Obama has yet to publish a National Security Strategy as required by Goldwater/Nichols. The US Military is rudderless all over, not just in Afghanistan.


22 posted on 10/04/2009 6:59:00 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: azkathy

It is time for another TEA PARTY, IN HONOR OF OUR TROOPS.

Let’s show this Lame Commander in Chief that he needs to listen to the soldiers on the ground. If he will not let’s get rid of him.

Can you hear us now NY Times and CIA?


23 posted on 10/04/2009 7:00:14 PM PDT by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: kristinn
The morning after the election I was walking into school when I bumped into one of my colleagues.

Her son was in Iraq (military intelligence)

Her first words to me where,

"They are going to do to my son, what they did to my husband in Viet Nam."

24 posted on 10/04/2009 7:02:50 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: azkathy

Great IDEA!!!!

Beck is sooooo PRO Troops...i bet he could get it mobilized.

We need a Tea Party nationally for the troops..and to show them we care about them even if they have a disgusting CIC!!


25 posted on 10/04/2009 7:03:46 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Pray for Israel! And Georgia ! And the Iranian people! and Honduras!)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Actually Beck has said more than once.

If they are not going to let them fight to win. Bring them home.

26 posted on 10/04/2009 7:05:41 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: mware

Yes ,bring them home and man the borders.


27 posted on 10/04/2009 7:14:26 PM PDT by londonfog
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To: londonfog

And protect us from the civilian defense force, “more well funded than the military.” GRRRR

I refuse to call Obama the Commander in Chief can we come up with something else. He doesn’t deserve the title.


28 posted on 10/04/2009 7:24:43 PM PDT by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: taillightchaser

I hope Ocarter can stand in front to hear you loud and clear

October 1, 2009
Ainsworth: no more troops in Afghanistan until equipment improves

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6856922.ece

Mr Ainsworth pointed out that equipment shortages — another common criticism of the Government — would be worsened by rushing more troops into theatre. “The kit and equipment they need to do this job doesn’t come from Marks and Spencer. It has to be ordered through a very complex procurement process,” he said in a BBC interview.

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How much has Ocarter got from cutting the Military budget? Seems it is the vast majority of the decreased spending he brags of


29 posted on 10/04/2009 7:27:50 PM PDT by Son House (OcarterCare by Congress will make all Americans = Wards of the State)
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To: kristinn

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218174/Afghan-bomb-hero-ambushes-Ainsworth-lack-troops.html

When the Defence Secretary asked the frontline soldier what he needed most, he quickly replied: ‘More troops on the ground.’
His stark statement left Mr Ainsworth on the back foot, as he tried to justify delays in responding to calls for reinforcements from the top Nato General in Afghanistan, America’s Stanley McChrystal.
Mr Ainsworth acknowledged the need but said the Government could not ‘throw money’ at Afghanistan, adding: ‘We know that there is an ask for increased troop levels coming from General McChrystal. Yet it is very important that people recognise that we are not alone in this.
‘We cannot do it alone. It’s got to be a coalition effort. We have got to think how quickly we do it. It takes time.’
After the encounter, Staff Sergeant Hughes, 30, was unrepentant. He is a member of the Joint Forces Explosives Ordnance Device Group which has the job of dismantling Taliban bombs.
He said: ‘What was he going do, send me home? It’s been a ridiculously busy, ridiculously hard tour. We have lost two guys.
‘Clearly more troops are needed on the ground - but then the same could be said for equipment.’
Staff Sergeant Hughes, from Shropshire, added: ‘The teams are stretched. Ideally you would have more equipment and more troops - that would help a lot.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218174/Afghan-bomb-hero-ambushes-Ainsworth-lack-troops.html#ixzz0T1apHaRT


30 posted on 10/04/2009 7:30:16 PM PDT by Son House (OcarterCare by Congress will make all Americans = Wards of the State)
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To: Son House

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/6259052/Afghanistan-Bob-Ainsworth-tells-soldier-we-cant-meet-US-call-for-more-troops.html

His Commanding Officer, Major Eldon Millar, 35, added: “Inevitably you feel you could do with a little more help. We are so stretched across Helmand because it is such a large area.”


31 posted on 10/04/2009 7:31:45 PM PDT by Son House (OcarterCare by Congress will make all Americans = Wards of the State)
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To: Son House

We are so stretched across Helmand because it is such a large area.”

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Ocarter is hopefully going to learn about the mission this week, he’s got 2 more meetings, ya know...

Obama’s War Council Divided on Afghan Strategy[Obama Hadn’t Reached A Decision, Return Next Week]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2354875/posts?page=30

At its conclusion, Obama reminded the crowd that he hadn’t reached a decision and that his war council should return twice next week with more details and ideas,


32 posted on 10/04/2009 7:37:27 PM PDT by Son House (OcarterCare by Congress will make all Americans = Wards of the State)
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To: kristinn

This is an absolute disgrace to ask brave soldiers to sacrifice themselves while politicians sit at home with thumbs up their asses unable to make decisions or give them what they need.


33 posted on 10/04/2009 7:51:21 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: kristinn

SNIP

British troops complain that they can take ground from the Taliban but do not have enough men to hold it. They have to keep retaking areas over and over again, increasing the risk of casualties.


This is what happens when a “war” turns into an open-ended bureaucracy run by bureaucrats. Get the troops out. Now.


34 posted on 10/04/2009 8:49:03 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: headstamp 2

Obama is disgracing this country on any number of levels.

When he refuses to give our military what they need but give millions of dollars to his cronies in ACORN and the Environmental movement, it is time to do something.


35 posted on 10/04/2009 8:51:36 PM PDT by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: azkathy

When he refuses to give our military what they need but give -——— BILLIONS-—— of dollars to his cronies in ACORN and the Environmental movement, it is time to do something.

BILLIONS IS CORRECT NOT MILLIONS!


36 posted on 10/04/2009 8:53:27 PM PDT by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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To: mojitojoe

Most profound pic I’ve ever seen, leaves me speechless


37 posted on 10/04/2009 8:56:11 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Obama's Blackberry, who's on the other end?)
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To: kristinn

Obama, in my mind, is the worst American commander in chief ever.


38 posted on 10/04/2009 9:43:22 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Lurker

173rd did that a few times up in the central highlands... Hope we don’t start hearing about HILL numbers. Bastard Obama I curse the ground he walks on.


39 posted on 10/04/2009 10:38:11 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: mware

Its what they’ve always intended for all of us. Silence in dissent. While they redirect power to suit their own wants.


40 posted on 10/04/2009 11:08:18 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Bureaucratic healthcare is bad medicine.)
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To: Son House
^ Ocarter is hopefully going to learn about the mission this week, he’s got 2 more meetings, ya know...

He holds his meetings with the military while he is packing his bags, dressing and shaving in preparation to go fly somewhere. Probably goes "um-hmmm" alot and then concludes the meeting with "Listen, I gotta go. Let's meet again soon as I get back."

41 posted on 10/05/2009 5:05:13 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (If healthcare reform is passed, 41 years old will be the new 65 YO.)
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To: azkathy

Don’t forget the money he gave Libya and the billions he gave Brazil to help them drill oil.


42 posted on 10/05/2009 5:06:21 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (If healthcare reform is passed, 41 years old will be the new 65 YO.)
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To: azkathy
Oh, and the millions he gave Hamas right after his inauguration.

The creep.

43 posted on 10/05/2009 5:07:00 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (If healthcare reform is passed, 41 years old will be the new 65 YO.)
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To: Army Air Corps
I stated earlier:

... If 0bama won't LEAD, there is little we can do. How many of our sons, daughters, fathers, and mothers must die before 0bama makes the most important decision he has to make in the Oval Office. 0bama must decide to pick up and wear the Uniform of the United States of America as the Commander in Chief.

I suspect he can't and won't. He has never served. His ilk have no respect for the military complex of the United States. His preconceptions are the same as those who think our volunteer troops lack some level of intelligence. He will sit in conference with the brightest of the military and is unable to understand the strategy, the hazards, the real dangers. Worst of all he fails to value the opinion of real warriors... Now, though, Afghanistan, he has to decide he will lead troops, our troops either to victory or out of Afghanistan. I submit he is unfit for the duty. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2352308/posts?page=11#11

The weakness of 0bama in a military perspective is that he has always stood with those who are against our service people, against our military, and against American policy. When we look at 0bama we need to understand his psyche is with people like Ayers, Code Pink, ACORN, and even Sheehan.

With that in mind he may be the first CIC that is uniquiely unqualified for the duty of leading any kind of formal military operations.

He has to put on the Uniform of the US Military. He is the CIC and he is required to actually LEAD. He has to accept that role and responsiblity, no matter who advises him. If he won’t then it is our responsiblity to defund the war and get our troops out. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2352327/posts?page=11#11

Dereliction of duty widely refers to failure, through negligence or obstinacy, to perform one’s legal or moral duty to a reasonable expectation. In actuality, dereliction of duty is a specific offense under military law. Under the various regulations of military law, avoidance of a duty or failure to follow an order from a superior can result in a charge of dereliction of duty.

44 posted on 10/05/2009 5:24:35 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: kristinn

Obama fiddles while Afganistan burns.


45 posted on 10/05/2009 5:59:26 AM PDT by exnavy (GOD save the republic)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Exactly. Surge now or GTFO.


46 posted on 10/05/2009 7:53:20 AM PDT by Palin Republic (Palin - Bachmann 2012 : Girl Power!)
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To: Son House
"Mr Ainsworth pointed out that equipment shortages — another common criticism of the Government — would be worsened by rushing more troops into theatre. “The kit and equipment they need to do this job doesn’t come from Marks and Spencer. It has to be ordered through a very complex procurement process,” he said in a BBC interview."


47 posted on 10/05/2009 9:20:57 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: 3catsanadog

I agree. The people he surrounds himself tell a great deal about him. Have you heard/read about Kevin Jennings? He is by far worse than Van Jones and an example of the garbage Othuga hangs out with.


48 posted on 10/06/2009 8:12:20 AM PDT by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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