Skip to comments.New York State Tax Revenues Slump 36%, Is New York The Next California?
Posted on 10/05/2009 11:14:55 AM PDT by FromLori
New York State is quickly becoming the next California, as tax revenues drop 36% from 2008 levels, and a dejected governor expressing his frustration with policy measures that continue to not bear fruit. As a reminder the state most reliant on the financial sector, is struggling with a $2.1 billion budget deficit that is still looming despite tax increases, federal aid and spending cuts.
New York States income tax revenue has dropped 36 percent from the same period in 2008, Governor David Paterson said, frustrating his attempt to close a projected $2.1 billion budget deficit.
We added personal income tax, which we thought would make the falloff 10 percent to 15 percent, Paterson, a Democrat, said on CNBC today, referring to $5.2 billion in new or increased taxes. This is what is so frustrating. Its still 36 percent, meaning our revenues fell more in 2009 than they did in 2008.
The budget will still be $2.1 billion in deficit because spending plans exceed revenue projections, the state Division of Budget said July 30. The report predicted deficits of $4.62 billion in 2011, $13.3 billion in 2012 and $18.2 billion in 2013. The Governor, who has recently had a major falling out with President Obama, may be in even more hot water as hopes for major tax windfalls from corporate taxes vanish due to generous NOLs established during last year's financial collapse:
We are Ground Zero for the economic recession, said Paterson. What were recognizing now is what everybody recognizes in their own portfolio: you cant overinvest in one area because, if it fails, youll have a debacle.
New York is depleting its options for balancing the budget, Paterson said.
What we want to do is bring the legislature back as soon as possible and make the tough decisions, Paterson said. Alas expenses tend to be much "stickier" than revenues, meaning that even much more drastic cost cutting will likely still leave the state at the mercy of Federal handouts. And if California's IOU experiment is any indication, Paterson may want to promptly get on the President's good side before he is forced to ask for much needed assistance.
Also, another issue that is not receiving much airtime is the continued dire straits that New York's MTA finds itself in. From the most recent status update: "the program has a funding gap of $9.9 billion despite a large increase in State aid and a 56 percent increase in anticipated federal funding, which may not materialize. In the absence of additional aid, the MTA plans to fill the gap with debt, but debt service would then rise rapidly and increase pressure in the future to raise fares and tolls." Yet another aspect of the state economy that is intimately linked with well-bid debt markets, which in turn track the equity market tick for tick, explaining once again how much the administration has staked on a stock market that, miraculously, is not allowed to leg lower by any material amount. However, as long as analyst actions, such as today's by Goldman in which it effectively upgraded itself, continue to drive markets, the plan to keep equities at untenable and fundamentally unjustified levels, will be viable to keep the economy running. Even if it is based on smoke and mirrors.
"Yes, we have plenty of room. C'mon down!"
There is only one solution. Raise taxes again! Yea, that ought to do it!
Perhaps Gov. Paterson should be trying to invite Rush back. :)
NEW YORK DESERVES IT!
Actually, they should just tax ALL public workers 100% and then just keep recycling the money!
More encouraging signs of economic recovery. We need healthcare now. sarc
When will thse morons learn that government cannot continue to grow at the expense of the private sector?
“mmm”, “mmm”, “mmm”
NY State, with its Downstate control, big unions and a few special interests, are taxing citizens and businesses out of the State. Wall Street therefore accounts for an ever larger percentage of NY State revenue. As goes Wall St, so goes the State Budget.
Unless you somehow need to be in NY State to serve NY City, it makes NO SENSE to have a business in NY State.
Actually, all those people who have lost their jobs and their savings probably find it even more “frustrating” than Governor Patterson.
Across the board, 10 percent staff reduction, ten percent pay cut for the remaining workers - no exceptions.
Budget in balance?
No. Repeat as above.
All these blue states are collapsing yet the libs are demanding more of this to fix it.
Budget cuts NOW! WTF do these cretins still have “pensions,” especially at 85% of last salary?
Like CUTTING SPENDING???? Nah - raise some more taxes!
Yep. They reap what they sow. You want a socialist utopia based on the backs of wage earners and business owners? Then, don’t be surprised if they leave for fairer pastures. Its time to realize that the demented thinking of the Democratic party and Eastern European dreams of social utopia are the wrong path. They turn productive economies into train wrecks...
It’s the inevitable end result of chronic liberal leech leadeship. Eventually any government cannot stand when it is being eroded, rotted, it’s pillars eaten away by the lies, crookery, ans hollowing bribery of the Leftists.
We know several people that are or have moved from CA. They just can’t make it there.
I do not know who would want to live there now anyway with all the illegal aliens sucking off the system and their gangs and water problems, fires, quakes.
Why don’t they try something new? Like increase the fees for license renewal and car registrations?
I am happy to have contributed to at least a couple thousand dollars of state income tax fleeing the state in the past year. Even if it was to PA.
'"One percent of the households that file in this city pay something like 50% of the taxes," explained the Mayor. "In the city, that's something like 40,000 people. If a handful left, any raise would make it revenue neutral. The question is what's fair. If 1% are paying 50% of the taxes, you want to make it even more?"'
These two states should be the richest, but because they have been run by the libs for so long, they are the ones crying for money.
Here's some free advice to both of them - try cutting spending.
That is not my idea of trying something new mine would be like quit spending and quit taxing people to death.
sorry - should’ve added the /s tag.
No matter who is in charge of NY - repub or dem - they ALWAYS raise license and registration fees.
Just got mine in the mail.
Is California the next New York?
No, New York is in a three way tie for first with Michigan, and Massachutesses. California is clearly pulling up the rear of “progressive” states trying to reach its first state bankruptcy. Remember, the race is measured in people leaving the state versus those entering. Cally is just now reaching NY status in chasing away taxpayers, give it another 40 years and see how progressive you are then.
This stuff gets to me.
During the various bubbles, the governments made out like bandits. They had more capital gains, FICA, medicare, and income tax “revenue”. That doesn’t even get into sales taxes, various carbon taxes (gas, heating, etc), and the Roth IRA conversion scams.
The one that really gauls me is property taxes at the local level.
Every level of gov’t in almost every jurisdiction expanded their spending far beyond the increases in “revenue”.
Not only that, but in states like mine (GA), we don’t have property value increase caps like FL. So we saw our home values increase dramatically (as did the little old ladies with old homes in the middle of the new big clusters) which resulted in much higher property taxes. Then, they still needed to raise millage rates during the last 10 years.
So why is it that these levels of government can double or triple their spending during the dramatic “revenue” increases, but they can’t cut back one red cent during down times? They still need to expand. They want to increase tax rates. They want to increase “services”. They want want want. But the tea partiers are the greedy ones?
Hell, in my county they tried to increase my home value by 20% this year even though there are foreclosures all around. It makes me burn with anger. All of it.
I bet they miss Rush now.
Tex revenue drops unexpectedly...
Simplified NY State Income Tax Form 1040-NY_SCRU:
1) Gross income for this tax year: $_______________
2) How much do you have left? $_______________
3) Add #1 to #2 and put here: $_______________
4) Multiply #3 by 1.15: $_______________
5) Subtract Democrat Donation: $_______________
6) Add 250% of GOP Donation: $_______________
7) Total Lines 4-6: $_______________
Mail Line 7 to DNC NY State Chairman or Charlie Rangel or Chuck Schumer (Keep Receipt)
I don’t understand, we keep raising the tax rates and revenues keep falling...
Yep, the bigger trainwreck is gaining speed. Hope all are prepared for extended survival. It ain’t going to be pretty.
When will thse morons learn that government cannot continue to grow at the expense of the private sector?””
Taking down the economy is the goal of some including the muslim in charge of the white hut.
No, we do NOT deserve it. Thanks a bunch.
How many people on long Island are saying: whyshould I pay taxes just to pay pensions for the retired civil servant next door, who gets a bugger check each month than I do from my boss, after all the stuff is taken out. And his boss is thinking: Now Texas has no income tax and low commercial rents right now, right?
Where is THAT in the Constitution?
This is their attitude.
I could say the same thing about my paycheck that goes to exorbitant property taxes that pay for their salary, retirement, health care, etc.
Is all this really that hard? Put the screws to this union and kill it.
I foresee a huge tax coming soon on moving companies.
(think Kalifornia and ammo taxes)
Can I ask a question?
What does that mean? I see all these "umm umm" or "mmm mmm" repeated posts on FR all the time now. It sounds like listening to someone chew food.
Is it some obscure SNL skit, or YouTube video? I have to admit, it is kind of annoying.
Hey Paterson. Even you and your Democrat moron leaders in NY should be able to see all you have to do is raise income taxes another 50% and everything would be great!
Geez, some people just have no idea what they're doing.
There is a simple and very progressive solution to New York’s budgetary problems. Simply tax all income at the 175% level and the deficit disappears. This will also promote the “greening” of New York, a process that is well advanced in cities like Detroit.
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