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Bishop V. Gene Robinson: Where is the Christian perspective on health care?
Manchester Union Leader ^ | oct. 2, 2009 | Bishop Vickie Gene Robinson

Posted on 10/05/2009 11:36:54 AM PDT by meandog

Health care is in the news — but you have to wonder where all the Christians are. This is one of the biggest issues facing our country and our people, yet no one seems to be bringing a Christian voice or tone to that debate. Have you noticed?

During the presidential campaign, there was much talk about the 50 million or so who have no health care insurance, many of whom who forgo care altogether and then wind up in emergency rooms with more serious, more fully developed illnesses than would have been the case had they sought preventive care. There seemed to be considerable outrage that the greatest nation in the world would allow one-sixth of its people to be without access to care. What happened to "no red states or blue states, but rather the United States?" Political partisanship threatens to short-circuit any progress on providing health care to all.

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1 posted on 10/05/2009 11:36:55 AM PDT by meandog
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To: meandog
Umm Reverend,

Can you tell me where in the bible it says "take from those who produce,at the point of a sword, and give to those who do not produce so they, the non producers, will vote for you every 2 years".

My bible seems to be missing that verse.

2 posted on 10/05/2009 11:38:41 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: meandog

He said: but you have to wonder where all the Christians are

They are sure not in his flock!

Mr. Wolf-Gene Robinson...


3 posted on 10/05/2009 11:39:39 AM PDT by TaraP (*Religion* is Man trying to reach GOD.Christ is GOD reaching out to Man.)
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To: meandog

This twinkle-toes is one reason I no longer have a church. Isn’t it enough for him to help destroy a Church, or does he feel the need to destroy the entire country, too?


4 posted on 10/05/2009 11:39:50 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (Half Honkey.....ALL Donkey! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! Mmm, Mmmm, Mmmmm!)
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To: meandog

The US Government is PROHIBITED in using the religious argument to push through nationalized healthcare.

If you do not subscribe to the Obamessiah First Church of God Damn Amerikkka version of Christianity, you should not be required to tithe to the US government’s religious programs under penalty of law.

There is no charity in forced taxation.

This is a lousy argument to try to make to push for expanding the role of government. Render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar.


5 posted on 10/05/2009 11:40:02 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: meandog
There seemed to be considerable outrage that the greatest nation in the world would allow one-sixth of its people to be without access to care.

Did a law change or do emergancy rooms still have to treat people regardless of ability to pay or insurance?

Oh, wait. Gene Robinson. Liberal. Homosexual. Facts don't have to apply.

6 posted on 10/05/2009 11:40:12 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: meandog
During the presidential campaign, there was much talk about the 50 million or so who have no health care insurance

The Left can't decide if there are 30 million, 50 million or anything in-between when it pertains to the number of "uninsured".

I'll say 10,000. Hey, it's just as valid as their made-up numbers.

7 posted on 10/05/2009 11:40:37 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Hey Obama. Where is Osama Bin Laden?)
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To: VeniVidiVici

20,000,000 illegal aliens. A number of them have no insurance.


8 posted on 10/05/2009 11:42:27 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: meandog
Looney libtards who invoke Jesus make me laugh at their attempt to use his works against us as evidence that we are somehow not being Christ-like in opposing Obama’s DeathCare. Their stunning lack of knowledge about everything else that Jesus said, which was considered revolutionary and rebellious in his time, is comical. My 8 and 13 year-old children could shame them into retracting their ignorant arguments.

Here is just one small but powerful example that shows the absurdity of the claims that Christian leaders’ silence about DeathCare are unchristian and contrary to Christ’s teachings.

(Jesus’ own words) Matthew 6:1-4. "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from you Father in Heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

9 posted on 10/05/2009 11:44:27 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: sionnsar

Lookee..lookee!!


10 posted on 10/05/2009 11:45:11 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth!!!!! It's the ONLY planet with chocolate!)
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To: meandog

Perhaps some Christian perspectives conflict with some political leanings?


11 posted on 10/05/2009 11:45:19 AM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: MNJohnnie
Can you tell me where in the bible it says "take from those who produce,at the point of a sword, and give to those who do not produce so they, the non producers, will vote for you every 2 years". My bible seems to be missing that verse.

That would be found in the second chapter of Hypocritese.
12 posted on 10/05/2009 11:45:34 AM PDT by John.Galt2012 (I'll take Liberty and you can keep the "Change"!)
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To: MNJohnnie
Umm Reverend, Can you tell me where in the bible it says "take from those who produce,at the point of a sword, and give to those who do not produce so they, the non producers, will vote for you every 2 years ...

Exactly! Biblical Scripture mandates charity to be from the Christian individual's rather than the goverment's soul (and wasn't it Jesus himself you remarked that the "poor will always be with us?"

13 posted on 10/05/2009 11:45:39 AM PDT by meandog (GWB IS the reason for BHO!)
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To: meandog

It’s funny how many Americans expect Christian kindness to kick in when the rule of law doesn’t work. It would almost make one believe that we all grew up in what used to be a Christian nation.

We don’t appreciate what we have until we lose it.


14 posted on 10/05/2009 11:46:45 AM PDT by donna (I never really had roots in any one place or culture or ethnic group. - Obama Olympics speech)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

With many illnesses, emergency room care would not be necessary, if there had been preventive medical care over the previous years..


15 posted on 10/05/2009 11:47:02 AM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: meandog

Does that mean that God designed us with some getting a better deal in life, than others?


16 posted on 10/05/2009 11:48:27 AM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

And so you see how the use of God’s Law (guilt-based aguments) is the most unChristian approach there is.

The Law accuses yet does not save. The Gospel saves but only through Love.


17 posted on 10/05/2009 11:48:49 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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To: MNJohnnie

“The righteous have no need for a physician except the sick”

The books of Acts and Luke were written by Luke the physician,....interesting perspective there...both books fairly analytical and dispassionate in tone but compassionate and hopeful in prognosis...a doctor’s perspective!


18 posted on 10/05/2009 11:48:52 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: meandog

I wish the crazy church socialists would shut up, Jesus said give in secret.


19 posted on 10/05/2009 11:49:48 AM PDT by stockpirate ("I came NOT to bring peace but a sword." - Jesus Christ)
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To: meandog
During the presidential campaign, there was much talk about the 50 million or so who have no health care insurance, many of whom who forgo care altogether and then wind up in emergency rooms with more serious, more fully developed illnesses than would have been the case had they sought preventive care. There seemed to be considerable outrage that the greatest nation in the world would allow one-sixth of its people to be without access to care.

Bottom line, even if the rest of that paragraph were literally true, the last sentence is a patent lie. They have access, insured or not. Why does anyone lie? Because it fits their agenda. I stopped reading at that point, because I don't care what else a liar has to say.

20 posted on 10/05/2009 11:50:15 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: meandog

Bishop Vicki, -blow it out your butt.

The Lord gave us BRAINS. He didn’t instruct us to become slaves to crooked men willingly.


21 posted on 10/05/2009 11:50:18 AM PDT by J40000
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To: meandog

Sorry Bish! What about that “separation of church and state” thing? You boys/girls need to stay out of this political fight. This is a different kind of good and evil.


22 posted on 10/05/2009 11:52:22 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I don't remember Americans being called "racists" when we fought against Hillarycare.)
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To: meandog

Come back to the 5-and-Dime Vickie Gene, Vickie Gene!


23 posted on 10/05/2009 11:52:57 AM PDT by avenir
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To: stuartcr

People make choices. Lots of ER care would not be necessary if people did not drive like idiots or do drugs, or whatever.


24 posted on 10/05/2009 11:53:03 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: meandog
Exactly right.

Charity is a moral duty of the individual. Advocating the state forcible take and give it is an avoidance of that duty. Leftists, like this author. think that because they advocating forcing other people to give to “the poor” he is filling that duty.

No Sir, he is avoiding his duty to minister to the poor himself by demanding everyone else do it for him

25 posted on 10/05/2009 11:53:46 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: stuartcr

Clearly He did. He didn’t’ intend me to live like a king, I can tell you that. God never seemed interested in our earthly riches (and I suppose healthcare could be considered just that.) Do you find the Bible to say something different?


26 posted on 10/05/2009 11:54:24 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

Yes. Do you think it’s that much a matter of choice for those that do not have med ins?


27 posted on 10/05/2009 11:54:26 AM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: stuartcr
Does that mean that God designed us with some getting a better deal in life, than others?

Obviously the concept of Free will is alien to you. God doesn't do it to you, the individual does it to themselves.

28 posted on 10/05/2009 11:55:53 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: PalmettoMason

Good churches exist.
All you have to do is ask the minister if he asserts and teaches that the Bible is the authoritative Word of God.

This seems to be the factor that will determine if a church is apostate or not.


29 posted on 10/05/2009 11:56:27 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: brytlea

No, I don’t interpret the bible. I guess some just seem to have the favor of God, while others don’t.


30 posted on 10/05/2009 11:56:54 AM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: meandog
Here we have a Bishop of the Episcopal Church wh presumes to lecture all of us with this comment:

"Members of the early Church gave up all their goods to the community, and then those resources were re-distributed "as each had need." Surely, we can sacrifice a little for the good of all. Can't we?"

My question for the Bishop is this: What, precisely, is the Episcopal Church doing with regard to providing quality, affordable health care to those that do not have it?

Have the members of the clergy in the Episcopal Church taken vows of poverty -- giving up their resources so that those who do not have health care can be provided health care?

Has Bishop Robinson -- or any other Episcopal Bishop -- exhorted the members of the Episcopal Church to give up their resources?

Or has the Bishop, instead, from the comfort of his own wealth and position, merely said that the taxpayers of the United States should provide their hard-earned money to the State so that health care can be provided to others?

Christ, as I understand it, said "Render unto Caesar the things that belong to Caesar, but render unto God the things that are God's."

If Bishop Robinson is really saying that God expects all of us to take care of each other, then it seems to me that Bishop Robinson's message should be that the Episcopal Church -- its members and its clergy, and not the taxpayers of the USA -- should assume the responsibility for providing quality, affordable health care to those without it.

31 posted on 10/05/2009 11:57:36 AM PDT by chs68
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To: MNJohnnie

I see. Does that free will choice include the victims of rape and murder?


32 posted on 10/05/2009 11:58:07 AM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: stuartcr

Often yes, it is a direct choice not to spend the money (do they have other expensive things, like a car? a house? TV, video games, etc?)
Other times it is an indirect choice thru bad choices they have made.
You are quite free to donate money to anyone who is in financial need (as I am). You are NOT free to take someone else’s money to do so (well, that is you shouldn’t be).


33 posted on 10/05/2009 11:58:25 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
You are expecting way too much from liberals, in suggesting that they give their own money to the needy. Then asking them to keep their mouths shut about it? Ludicrous!
34 posted on 10/05/2009 11:59:09 AM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: stuartcr

Will you please clarify your point? I’m not sure what rape and murder has to do with the topic at hand.


35 posted on 10/05/2009 11:59:21 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

OK, I understand it’s the individual’s choice if they work at a minimum wage job, and get cancer. Thanks


36 posted on 10/05/2009 12:00:48 PM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: stuartcr
Yes. Do you think it’s that much a matter of choice for those that do not have med ins?

Yes it is.

Perhaps instead of clinging to your ignorance you might learn about this topic rather then posting such hysterically ignorant drivel. Health Insurance and Health Care are not the same thing. The Leftists have deliberately obfuscated on this to avoid having a rational discussion of the issue.

Each state has a program for the poor and indigent to access medial care.

In every country there is at least 1 medical facility that is medicare fund specifically to care for those who have no where else to go.

Problem is these who will not access their available care now are NOT magically going to become responsible citizens and get health insurance just because a bunch of elitist Leftists dictate they should. Personal responsibility, or lack therefore, is the root of the problem NOT lack of care.

37 posted on 10/05/2009 12:00:55 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: stuartcr

Not sure what you mean by you don’t interpret the Bible. Do you read it? Do you mean you simply take it literally with no interpretation? I’m not at all clear what you mean.
And yes, it would seem that some have the favor of God and others do not, altho it is likely more complicated than that.


38 posted on 10/05/2009 12:01:13 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: meandog

This twisted freak has ruined his church and now wants to direct our country’s future. Did it ever occur to this numbskull, that mandating a belief is the quickest way to demostrate that faith is worthless? Wow what a brainiac - one could conclude he lets his little head do all the thinking for his big head. Putz!!!


39 posted on 10/05/2009 12:02:36 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: stuartcr
Your parents have free will. Where you start in life is a product of how they exercised that free will.

Where you go in life is a product of that free will. Demanding God make everyone equal means you want to abrogate your responsible and make someone else accountable for your irresponsible behaviors.

God does not work that way. You are responsible for you. If your life sucks NO one, not God, Not the President, Not some Rock Star NO one can fix it but you.

40 posted on 10/05/2009 12:05:01 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: stuartcr

It’s hard to say in a broad way, when speaking of large groups of people (all minimum wage earners who get cancer for instance). Some probably did make bad choices and thus can only earn a meager wage. Others may be doing the best they can for whatever reason. But, that’s really not the point. Those people still have access to healthcare. If you make minimum wage, I suspect you are eligible for medicaid or other government funded healthcare options. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong.


41 posted on 10/05/2009 12:05:07 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

Free will choice and some individuals getting a better deal than others...ie, Jesus said we will always have poor people.

If everything is a free will choice, how does that explain God knowing someone would get raped or murdered, and that victim having a choice? I understand God giving that choice to the murderer, but what choice does the victim have? Seems odd, that God would allow the murderers choice to take an innocents life, especially when God knew what was going to happen.


42 posted on 10/05/2009 12:05:16 PM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: MNJohnnie

Apparently the obfuscation of the left works, at least on some people! :)


43 posted on 10/05/2009 12:06:28 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: meandog

I am unwilling to accept what this Bishop understands “Christian” to mean — this is the new attack from the Left — to put a religious or moral spin on the need for “health reform.”


44 posted on 10/05/2009 12:07:07 PM PDT by browniexyz
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To: meandog

"I always wanted to be a June bride." ... Vicky Imogene Robinson

45 posted on 10/05/2009 12:07:20 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: MNJohnnie

OK, thanks. This means that people of low income, can receive preventive medical care regularly and still get the expensive scans required for many illnesses?


46 posted on 10/05/2009 12:07:55 PM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: stuartcr

Do you believe in God?


47 posted on 10/05/2009 12:08:19 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Has anyone heard of the local community health center? As in, where primary care is provided totally on the backs of the taxpayers to ANYONE who walks in, rich or poor, and no, they don’t CURRENTLY check with the IRS to see where you fall....


48 posted on 10/05/2009 12:08:47 PM PDT by browniexyz
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To: brytlea

I have read many parts of it, but I do not study it with the intention of interpreting it’s meaning.


49 posted on 10/05/2009 12:09:04 PM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: stuartcr

What DO you study it for?


50 posted on 10/05/2009 12:10:18 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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