Skip to comments.Bishop V. Gene Robinson: Where is the Christian perspective on health care?
Posted on 10/05/2009 11:36:54 AM PDT by meandog
Health care is in the news but you have to wonder where all the Christians are. This is one of the biggest issues facing our country and our people, yet no one seems to be bringing a Christian voice or tone to that debate. Have you noticed?
During the presidential campaign, there was much talk about the 50 million or so who have no health care insurance, many of whom who forgo care altogether and then wind up in emergency rooms with more serious, more fully developed illnesses than would have been the case had they sought preventive care. There seemed to be considerable outrage that the greatest nation in the world would allow one-sixth of its people to be without access to care. What happened to "no red states or blue states, but rather the United States?" Political partisanship threatens to short-circuit any progress on providing health care to all.
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Can you tell me where in the bible it says "take from those who produce,at the point of a sword, and give to those who do not produce so they, the non producers, will vote for you every 2 years".
My bible seems to be missing that verse.
He said: but you have to wonder where all the Christians are
They are sure not in his flock!
Mr. Wolf-Gene Robinson...
This twinkle-toes is one reason I no longer have a church. Isn’t it enough for him to help destroy a Church, or does he feel the need to destroy the entire country, too?
The US Government is PROHIBITED in using the religious argument to push through nationalized healthcare.
If you do not subscribe to the Obamessiah First Church of God Damn Amerikkka version of Christianity, you should not be required to tithe to the US government’s religious programs under penalty of law.
There is no charity in forced taxation.
This is a lousy argument to try to make to push for expanding the role of government. Render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar.
Did a law change or do emergancy rooms still have to treat people regardless of ability to pay or insurance?
Oh, wait. Gene Robinson. Liberal. Homosexual. Facts don't have to apply.
The Left can't decide if there are 30 million, 50 million or anything in-between when it pertains to the number of "uninsured".
I'll say 10,000. Hey, it's just as valid as their made-up numbers.
20,000,000 illegal aliens. A number of them have no insurance.
Here is just one small but powerful example that shows the absurdity of the claims that Christian leaders silence about DeathCare are unchristian and contrary to Christs teachings.
(Jesus own words) Matthew 6:1-4. "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from you Father in Heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
Perhaps some Christian perspectives conflict with some political leanings?
Exactly! Biblical Scripture mandates charity to be from the Christian individual's rather than the goverment's soul (and wasn't it Jesus himself you remarked that the "poor will always be with us?"
It’s funny how many Americans expect Christian kindness to kick in when the rule of law doesn’t work. It would almost make one believe that we all grew up in what used to be a Christian nation.
We don’t appreciate what we have until we lose it.
With many illnesses, emergency room care would not be necessary, if there had been preventive medical care over the previous years..
Does that mean that God designed us with some getting a better deal in life, than others?
And so you see how the use of God’s Law (guilt-based aguments) is the most unChristian approach there is.
The Law accuses yet does not save. The Gospel saves but only through Love.
“The righteous have no need for a physician except the sick”
The books of Acts and Luke were written by Luke the physician,....interesting perspective there...both books fairly analytical and dispassionate in tone but compassionate and hopeful in prognosis...a doctor’s perspective!
I wish the crazy church socialists would shut up, Jesus said give in secret.
Bottom line, even if the rest of that paragraph were literally true, the last sentence is a patent lie. They have access, insured or not. Why does anyone lie? Because it fits their agenda. I stopped reading at that point, because I don't care what else a liar has to say.
Bishop Vicki, -blow it out your butt.
The Lord gave us BRAINS. He didn’t instruct us to become slaves to crooked men willingly.
Sorry Bish! What about that “separation of church and state” thing? You boys/girls need to stay out of this political fight. This is a different kind of good and evil.
Come back to the 5-and-Dime Vickie Gene, Vickie Gene!
People make choices. Lots of ER care would not be necessary if people did not drive like idiots or do drugs, or whatever.
Charity is a moral duty of the individual. Advocating the state forcible take and give it is an avoidance of that duty. Leftists, like this author. think that because they advocating forcing other people to give to “the poor” he is filling that duty.
No Sir, he is avoiding his duty to minister to the poor himself by demanding everyone else do it for him
Clearly He did. He didn’t’ intend me to live like a king, I can tell you that. God never seemed interested in our earthly riches (and I suppose healthcare could be considered just that.) Do you find the Bible to say something different?
Yes. Do you think it’s that much a matter of choice for those that do not have med ins?
Obviously the concept of Free will is alien to you. God doesn't do it to you, the individual does it to themselves.
Good churches exist.
All you have to do is ask the minister if he asserts and teaches that the Bible is the authoritative Word of God.
This seems to be the factor that will determine if a church is apostate or not.
No, I don’t interpret the bible. I guess some just seem to have the favor of God, while others don’t.
"Members of the early Church gave up all their goods to the community, and then those resources were re-distributed "as each had need." Surely, we can sacrifice a little for the good of all. Can't we?"
My question for the Bishop is this: What, precisely, is the Episcopal Church doing with regard to providing quality, affordable health care to those that do not have it?
Have the members of the clergy in the Episcopal Church taken vows of poverty -- giving up their resources so that those who do not have health care can be provided health care?
Has Bishop Robinson -- or any other Episcopal Bishop -- exhorted the members of the Episcopal Church to give up their resources?
Or has the Bishop, instead, from the comfort of his own wealth and position, merely said that the taxpayers of the United States should provide their hard-earned money to the State so that health care can be provided to others?
Christ, as I understand it, said "Render unto Caesar the things that belong to Caesar, but render unto God the things that are God's."
If Bishop Robinson is really saying that God expects all of us to take care of each other, then it seems to me that Bishop Robinson's message should be that the Episcopal Church -- its members and its clergy, and not the taxpayers of the USA -- should assume the responsibility for providing quality, affordable health care to those without it.
I see. Does that free will choice include the victims of rape and murder?
Often yes, it is a direct choice not to spend the money (do they have other expensive things, like a car? a house? TV, video games, etc?)
Other times it is an indirect choice thru bad choices they have made.
You are quite free to donate money to anyone who is in financial need (as I am). You are NOT free to take someone else’s money to do so (well, that is you shouldn’t be).
Will you please clarify your point? I’m not sure what rape and murder has to do with the topic at hand.
OK, I understand it’s the individual’s choice if they work at a minimum wage job, and get cancer. Thanks
Yes it is.
Perhaps instead of clinging to your ignorance you might learn about this topic rather then posting such hysterically ignorant drivel. Health Insurance and Health Care are not the same thing. The Leftists have deliberately obfuscated on this to avoid having a rational discussion of the issue.
Each state has a program for the poor and indigent to access medial care.
In every country there is at least 1 medical facility that is medicare fund specifically to care for those who have no where else to go.
Problem is these who will not access their available care now are NOT magically going to become responsible citizens and get health insurance just because a bunch of elitist Leftists dictate they should. Personal responsibility, or lack therefore, is the root of the problem NOT lack of care.
Not sure what you mean by you don’t interpret the Bible. Do you read it? Do you mean you simply take it literally with no interpretation? I’m not at all clear what you mean.
And yes, it would seem that some have the favor of God and others do not, altho it is likely more complicated than that.
This twisted freak has ruined his church and now wants to direct our country’s future. Did it ever occur to this numbskull, that mandating a belief is the quickest way to demostrate that faith is worthless? Wow what a brainiac - one could conclude he lets his little head do all the thinking for his big head. Putz!!!
Where you go in life is a product of that free will. Demanding God make everyone equal means you want to abrogate your responsible and make someone else accountable for your irresponsible behaviors.
God does not work that way. You are responsible for you. If your life sucks NO one, not God, Not the President, Not some Rock Star NO one can fix it but you.
It’s hard to say in a broad way, when speaking of large groups of people (all minimum wage earners who get cancer for instance). Some probably did make bad choices and thus can only earn a meager wage. Others may be doing the best they can for whatever reason. But, that’s really not the point. Those people still have access to healthcare. If you make minimum wage, I suspect you are eligible for medicaid or other government funded healthcare options. I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong.
Free will choice and some individuals getting a better deal than others...ie, Jesus said we will always have poor people.
If everything is a free will choice, how does that explain God knowing someone would get raped or murdered, and that victim having a choice? I understand God giving that choice to the murderer, but what choice does the victim have? Seems odd, that God would allow the murderers choice to take an innocents life, especially when God knew what was going to happen.
Apparently the obfuscation of the left works, at least on some people! :)
I am unwilling to accept what this Bishop understands “Christian” to mean — this is the new attack from the Left — to put a religious or moral spin on the need for “health reform.”
"I always wanted to be a June bride." ... Vicky Imogene Robinson
OK, thanks. This means that people of low income, can receive preventive medical care regularly and still get the expensive scans required for many illnesses?
Do you believe in God?
Has anyone heard of the local community health center? As in, where primary care is provided totally on the backs of the taxpayers to ANYONE who walks in, rich or poor, and no, they don’t CURRENTLY check with the IRS to see where you fall....
I have read many parts of it, but I do not study it with the intention of interpreting it’s meaning.
What DO you study it for?