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Shroud of Turin Reproduced by an Italian Scientist
Reuters ^ | October 5 2009 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 10/05/2009 2:01:23 PM PDT by pantherskincreek

An Italian scientist says he has reproduced the Shroud of Turin, a feat that he says proves definitively that the linen some Christians revere as Jesus Christ's burial cloth is a medieval fake.ntist Reproduces the Shroud

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bravosierra; godsgravesglyphs; scientists; shroudturin

1 posted on 10/05/2009 2:01:23 PM PDT by pantherskincreek
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To: pantherskincreek

I’m skeptical. “Reproduced” is a pretty subjective term. To what degree was it reproduced and to wwhat level of foresnic investigation are the original and the reproduction identical?


2 posted on 10/05/2009 2:05:57 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: pantherskincreek
When he reproduces a human being from scratch call me...
3 posted on 10/05/2009 2:07:13 PM PDT by ejonesie22
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To: pantherskincreek

So he proved is could be a fake. So what?


4 posted on 10/05/2009 2:08:07 PM PDT by resistance (abandon all hope and reason, become a democrat)
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To: pantherskincreek
Logically, all this proves is how it might have been done if it were a medieval artifact. It can't prove that this was exactly the process. This is a demonstration, not proof.
5 posted on 10/05/2009 2:08:28 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: pantherskincreek

The headline is not supported by the article.

“similar” does not prove anything definitively


6 posted on 10/05/2009 2:08:37 PM PDT by GeronL (California : bankrupt ideas from bankrupt people from a bankrupt state now bankrupting America)
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To: pantherskincreek

Not replicated. The STURP team ruled out pigments on the shroud. This guy’s process used pigments which were left on his fake.

Funded by an atheist organization. Follow the money.

Nice try.


7 posted on 10/05/2009 2:10:31 PM PDT by Lawdoc (My dad married my aunt, so now my cousins are my brothers. Go figure.)
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To: ejonesie22
Garlaschelli received funding for his work by an Italian association of atheists and agnostics but said it had no effect on his results.

Hum...

Shocking....

8 posted on 10/05/2009 2:11:23 PM PDT by ejonesie22
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To: ejonesie22
Garlaschelli received funding for his work by an Italian association of atheists and agnostics but said it had no effect on his results.

Hum...

Shocking....

9 posted on 10/05/2009 2:11:28 PM PDT by ejonesie22
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To: Natural Law

Is his image a true photographic negative?


10 posted on 10/05/2009 2:12:23 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: ejonesie22
Your right Joneshie, he needs to bend over and grab a bunch of soil, rub it all together and produce a human being! Hell, then I'll worship him myself.

What a joke!

11 posted on 10/05/2009 2:12:43 PM PDT by STD (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Sabourjian, Sabourjian is a well known Jewish name in Iran.")
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To: pantherskincreek
Reproduced what.... ? ?

They didn't even have a CONCEPT of a NEGATIVE IMAGE in the middle ages. Atheists are funny... I wonder how many are atheists on their death bed.

12 posted on 10/05/2009 2:14:12 PM PDT by Bob Eimiller (appeasement "it's the idea that if you feed the alligator he will eat you last." Winston Churchill)
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To: Bob Eimiller

Actually Leonardo Da Vinci was dabbling in optics and it is rumored that Leonardo, being no friend of the church, created the Shroud as a Practical Joke.


13 posted on 10/05/2009 2:17:00 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: pantherskincreek
This is a reproduced thread, there is already an ongoing discussion here with 241 replies.

However, just because this thread was reproduced by another source, that doesn't make it a fake ; )

14 posted on 10/05/2009 2:18:09 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ejonesie22

Whew! That was close. I was just about to believe in Jesus. Thank... well, Whatever, for the tireless work of the zealous nonbelievers.


15 posted on 10/05/2009 2:19:28 PM PDT by SoCalRight
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To: STD
I wonder if the Atheist would fund the attempt...

Thankfully he will fail.

“In Garlaschelli we Trust” would require larger nickles...

16 posted on 10/05/2009 2:19:37 PM PDT by ejonesie22
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To: SoCalRight
Thank... well, Whatever

I think the term is “Mother Earth”...

Or was it the “Great Pumpkin”...

Perhaps it was “Thank dumb luck”...

17 posted on 10/05/2009 2:22:25 PM PDT by ejonesie22
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To: pantherskincreek
Baloney
18 posted on 10/05/2009 2:23:53 PM PDT by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
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To: pantherskincreek
Luigi Garlaschelli, a medieval fake scientist, funded for his fake work by an Italian association of atheists and agnostics, says in effect, "God is Dead".

Luigi, prepare to meet Nietzsche.

19 posted on 10/05/2009 2:24:24 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: STD
Your right Joneshie, he needs to bend over and grab a bunch of soil, rub it all together and produce a human being! Hell, then I'll worship him myself.

Wait, he's got to first create the soil out of nothing.

20 posted on 10/05/2009 2:26:36 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: pantherskincreek

...runs fingers along prematurely graying temples......

“I wonder if Opus Dei would answer some questions, hmmmmm?”


21 posted on 10/05/2009 2:28:10 PM PDT by texmexis best
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To: P-Marlowe
I was trying to give him a running start...

To be fair he is up against much more powerful competition...

22 posted on 10/05/2009 2:29:52 PM PDT by ejonesie22
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To: massgopguy

I guess Leonardo was quite a dabbler. lol Optics is one thing, negative imaging is something else. Optics don’t create negative images. Don’t you agree?


23 posted on 10/05/2009 2:44:13 PM PDT by Bob Eimiller (appeasement "it's the idea that if you feed the alligator he will eat you last." Winston Churchill)
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To: massgopguy

A rumor which was debunked long ago.


24 posted on 10/05/2009 2:48:52 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: pantherskincreek

“fake but accurate”?


25 posted on 10/05/2009 2:56:14 PM PDT by hecht
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To: pantherskincreek

While it is possible to produce a similar image with materials available in the Medieval period, forgers at that time had no reason to make such an elaborate fake. In those times even a simple painted image would have sufficed, so why go to the time and trouble to produce an image that defied explanation even with 20th century techniques? Working backward to produce an image from an existing artifact would be quite different than a Medieval forger developing a technique from scratch to make such an image.


26 posted on 10/05/2009 3:05:44 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: hecht

Can you imagine those medieval folks (who have nothing else to do) sitting around coming up with this one?

These guys are so enraged by any thought of God, that they will go to any length (or ignore any data they don’t like) to discredit this. But it doesn’t explain the plant evidence (which I heard from one team completely fits the plants that would have existed in that area during the spring season) and the shadows under the feet which one scientist found could only be reproduced photographically by suspending the subject off the floor.


27 posted on 10/05/2009 3:07:00 PM PDT by applpie
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To: pantherskincreek

Did he reproduce coins like the ones on the eyes of the figure on The Shroud, which ARE NOT visible to the naked eye? If he did this process he doped out is pretty damn sharp.


28 posted on 10/05/2009 3:07:52 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Natural Law

Sounds like another one of those dopes that say they created “life” in a test tube.


29 posted on 10/05/2009 3:10:28 PM PDT by MrDem (And this is a loyal lifelong Democrat saying this... Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: The Great RJ
While it is possible to produce a similar image with materials available in the Medieval period, forgers at that time had no reason to make such an elaborate fake.

Not so quick... what if one of them had a prophetic vision of the big bucks you could get on eBay for the item?

30 posted on 10/05/2009 3:12:44 PM PDT by MrDem (And this is a loyal lifelong Democrat saying this... Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: The Great RJ
While it is possible to produce a similar image with materials available in the Medieval period, forgers at that time had no reason to make such an elaborate fake. In those times even a simple painted image would have sufficed, so why go to the time and trouble to produce an image that defied explanation even with 20th century techniques? Working backward to produce an image from an existing artifact would be quite different than a Medieval forger developing a technique from scratch to make such an image.

You're correct.

31 posted on 10/05/2009 3:47:19 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: pantherskincreek

Another one for 15 minutes of fame.


32 posted on 10/05/2009 3:49:21 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Lawdoc
The STURP team ruled out pigments on the shroud.

With Respect, that is like ACORN vetting elections for fraud.

33 posted on 10/05/2009 3:56:39 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Thank you. I'm here all week. Try the veal.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Latest round in the Shroud of Turin battle.

If the C-14 dating is correct (HA!) then it could have been created by 14th Century methods for some unknown reason.

The sponsor of this is a group of atheists and agnostics, so they have no axes to grind. /sarc>

There is another thread posted here

34 posted on 10/05/2009 5:02:20 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (If God didn't want a One Worlder hanging from every tree, He wouldn't have created rope)
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35 posted on 10/05/2009 7:31:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: pantherskincreek

That’s it. Christiantiy is finished .... /sarc


36 posted on 10/06/2009 7:06:44 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: pantherskincreek

Well you see we bolted an X-ray machine to a Lexmark printer and let it run for a few hours. Oddly enough, we ran out of X-rays half way through the project.


37 posted on 10/06/2009 11:34:28 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: Oztrich Boy
The STURP team ruled out pigments on the shroud.

With Respect, that is like ACORN vetting elections for fraud.

Do you even know anything about the STURP team and who they were composed of?

38 posted on 10/06/2009 11:49:58 AM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: Oztrich Boy; Lawdoc
Investigators for the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) included:
Joseph S. Accetta, Lockheed Corporation*
Steven Baumgart, U.S. Air Force Weapons Laboratories*
John D. German, U.S. Air Force Weapons Laboratories*
Ernest H. Brooks II, Brooks Institute of Photography*
Mark Evans, Brooks Institute of Photography*
Vernon D. Miller, Brooks Institute of Photography*
Robert Bucklin, Harris County,Texas, Medical Examiner's Office
Donald Devan, Oceanographic Services Inc.*
Rudolph J. Dichtl, University of Colorado*
Robert Dinegar, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories*
Donald & Joan Janney, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories*
J. Ronald London, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories*
Roger A. Morris, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories*
Ray Rogers, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories*
Larry Schwalbe, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories
Diane Soran, Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories
Kenneth E. Stevenson, IBM*
Al Adler, Western Connecticut State University
Thomas F. D'Muhala, Nuclear Technology Corporation*
Jim Drusik, Los Angeles County Museum
Joseph Gambescia, St. Agnes Medical Center
Roger & Marty Gilbert, Oriel Corporation*
Thomas Haverty, Rocky Mountain Thermograph*
John Heller, New England Institute
John P. Jackson, U.S. Air Force Academy*
Eric J. Jumper, U.S. Air Force Academy*
Jean Lorre, Jet Propulsion Laboratory*
Donald J. Lynn, Jet Propulsion Laboratory*
Robert W. Mottern, Sandia Laboratories*
Samuel Pellicori, Santa Barbara Research Center*
Barrie M. Schwortz, Barrie Schwortz Studios*
Note: The researchers marked with an * participated directly in the 1978 Examination in Turin. All others are STURP research members who worked with the data or samples after the team returned to the United States.

A real ACORN Group for sure.

39 posted on 10/06/2009 12:02:32 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: frogjerk

I hope you forgot to add your /s designation!


40 posted on 10/06/2009 12:41:18 PM PDT by Lawdoc (My dad married my aunt, so now my cousins are my brothers. Go figure.)
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