Skip to comments.Coke Didn't Make America Fat
Posted on 10/08/2009 6:15:17 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
Americans need more exercise, not another tax.
Obesity is a complex issue, and addressing it is important for all Americans. We at the Coca-Cola company are committed to working with government and health organizations to implement effective solutions to address this problem.
But a number of public-health advocates have already come up with what they think is the solution: heavy taxes on some routine foods and beverages that they have decided are high in calories. The taxes, the advocates acknowledge, are intended to limit consumption of targeted foods and help you to accept the diet that they have determined is best.
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I would suspect you don't know many fat people. A great many fat people eat very little. Yes, some are large eaters, many are not. What they all lack is exercise. I would suspect that Bozo will have us all working our tails off for the government and starving if he has his way, not to mention freezing to death in the dark without electricity.
I provided 6 different medical studies that support my statment. Can you provide any sources? If I am wrong, then why do every drug, and every medical proceedure target the appetite mechanism? If I am wrong, why does every recognized diet stress the fact that you "won't feel hungry"? Sources please, personal opinions don't count.
BTW, I do agree with your last statement, in that a person's body weight is no one else's business, nor is it the busines of the Federal Gov't.
You are incredibly stupid. What I stated was my opinion. Unless you have insight into what my opinions are, you have no way to determine whether or not I mis-stated them. “You LIE” is an insult you would never have the nerve to say to me in person. You are one of those sniveling cowards who hide behind the anonymity of an internet forum to say the things you wish you had the cojones to say in public. Yes, you are a real keyboard warrior, and a sad pathetic bag of yellow.
I can’t eat or drink anything with sugar in it, as I have reactive hypoglycemia. However, besides the obvious caloric intake, it has been proven that drinking sugar-sweetened beverages can make you more prone to Type 2 Diabetes, which can subsequently cause treatment-induced weight gain and that carries a risk of worsening the patient’s insulin resistance. It is a vicious cycle brought on, initially, by drinking too many sugar-sweetened beverages, such as Coke.
Honestly Hodar, I did not read your "medical" studies. After reading the "medical studies" regarding the 400,000 yearly deaths due to smoking and ETS I wouldn't waste my time reading their pre-determined outcome "studies" on anything.
If I am wrong, then why do every drug, and every medical proceedure target the appetite mechanism?
See the bolded portion for the answer to your question. $$$$$
Can you provide any sources?
My source is me and a few other friends. I'm usually too busy to eat or simply forget to eat until late afternoon or evening when I'm about to pass out from low blood sugar.
Oddly enough, the only time I was ALWAYS hungry was when I went on a diet that required 6 meals a day. Had to start eating early to work them all in. It's a metabolism thing.
There are no fat people in concentration camps. Get the intake low enough, and the body WILL lose weight.
Some fat people - and I’m NOT skinny - think they could eat a peanut a day and be fat, because of their ‘genetics’. But physics says that if the intake is low enough, weight WILL be lost.
Thats me. Lost mine 5 years ago. I can live off of nothing now. LOL!!
So, if you dislike the medical facts; then the facts are done not by academics, but for fiscal results. How very convenient. Wrong, but you have dismissed them not based on any merits; but based upon personal bias.
I’m just a silly engineer; I deal in facts, theories and observable laws on a daily basis. I also know that when I was obese, I could not suppress my appetite. Those medicals studies I mentioned do not propose to sell anything, they are linking enzymes related to appetite suppression and the fact that obesity interferes with the release of those enzymes and hormones.
For example, if you skip breakfast, like a lot of people do; around lunch time you may be a little bit hungry, a small sandwich may be all you crave, or an apple.
But, have a donut, or a candybar at 8am; and by 10am you will want your sandwich, and at noon you will want more yet. Or, have a donut at 8, and by 9 you will want another - by noon you will be ravenous. This is a typical carbohydrate metabolic response; the obese person has this response as a constant companion. This causes them to overeat - not because they need the food - it’s because their appetites are demanding the food.
Check out the sites; they are not sponsored by Rx peddling companies (I filter them out as being biased). If I provided sources that were hawking a product, I would be undermining my arguement.
Freepers I’ve been moderately heavy all my life. Been on many diets lost and then gained back until I finally found that weight problems are “all between my ears”. Until I found “Weight Loss God’s Way” by Dr. Frank Smoot. Use your search engine and find him. He has a lot of free articles out there that will help you determine if it is the right thing for you. I’m not pumping anything. Just telling you what has worked for me.
I don’t disagree with that. I was merely making the observation that Coke contains high-fructose corn syrup which has been proven to be a contributing factor towards obesity.
Taxing sodas isn’t anymore about improving health than raising cigarette taxes. It is all about new sources of tax revenue that can be levied with the excuses of ..”why it is for the good health of all” and “only those who indulge pay so you don’t have to”. These sin taxes are easy to get, but taxes are taxes and the effect on the economy is the same. Raising the price of sodas with a new tax will not address obesity it will just cause consumers to buy less soda or switch to another drink that is less taxed.
Trust me. You burn the calories.
I started off slow too. The trick is to now increase the intensity slowly. IT has taken me over a year to get to this point, so you want to go in the right direction.
You will feel energized in direct proportion to the degree you increase intensity. I was where you are at.
Also treadmill/stairclimber/swimming is much easier on the knees than running on the pavement.
I dropping the corn syrup/coke/nestea and it made a hugh and series difference.
Body weight and size are individually determined not only by eating habit choices but by genetics and metabolism.
Exercise is the key, thirty months ago I went back to the weight room shortly before my sixty third birthday. I was more than sixty pounds over the maximum weight recommended for my height. After thirty months of hard lifting and cardio work I can wear all the jeans and dress slacks that were hanging in the closet for years because I was too big around the middle to wear them. I gave away two suits, a blazer and a lot of shirts because a size forty eight coat is too small for me now. What do I weigh? About five pounds MORE than when I started.
Personal attacks are unbecoming.
However, coming from you, I will now take it as a compliment.
What I stated was my opinion.
Which was stated as a fact. No where did I see "IMO" within your post:
All those people trying to explain why so many people are fat have obviously never watched fat people eat. It is not what they eat that makes them fat but the humongeous amount of food they consume. Fat people are prodigous eaters. That is why they are fat.
You LIE is an insult you would never have the nerve to say to me in person. You are one of those sniveling cowards who hide behind the anonymity of an internet forum to say the things you wish you had the cojones to say in public.
ROTFLOL!!! You know less than nothing about me as your statement above proves. I don't hide behind anything or anyone. If you want proof of that, let me know and I will call over several dozen FReepers that know me, and know what nerve I have. Yes, I would say "you lie" to your face for making such a sweeping statement about something you clearly know little about.
BTW, spellcheck is your friend.
No results found for humongeous
you are correct. And the folks who protest thyroid issues can have that easily fixed with synthroid or just taking kelp for the needed iodine. It works.
Sure, you will be phat if you are running around with untreated hypothyroidism.
We both take enough kelp to keep our T3 uptake around ~30 and make that our TSH is 2.5 or less and no where near 5.
It certainly helped keep Barry Obama trim and energized.
But you can’t buy it over the counter.
He's a damned hypocritical busybody.
I support an Idiot Tax!
England already has a tv tax.
Over here, the President NEEDS people watching The Obama Show. TV is a drug. It contains so much computer animation and distortion that I’d wager it puts the mind into a psychotropic state.
The people who work in the media study the work of Soviet and NAZI propagandists (Eisenstein and Reifenstahl are taught to those studying film, not so much Frank Capra who’s considered a square conservative fuddy duddy, who also made pro-US propaganda shorts during the war titled Why We Fight).
Whether the messages come in the program itself (Today, Morning Show, The View, Late Night, Daily Show, MTV Remembers The 90s, Law & Order, ...) or the advertising really doesn’t matter.
Let me guess: she still lays awake at night lamenting her relentless and revolting “obesity”.
“All those people trying to explain why so many people are fat have obviously never watched fat people eat. It is not what they eat that makes them fat but the humongeous amount of food they consume. Fat people are prodigous eaters. That is why they are fat.”
Actually it is not so simple. I have fought a weight problem for years, I went froma chubby fourteen year old to a stringbean Navy recruit and have evolved through many incarnations from skinny to fat to muscular and back to fat and now back to muscular. The biggest factor is probably WHAT you eat followed by exercise. I defy anyone to go on a diet of tomatoes, celery, boiled unsalted rice etc. and become anything other than skinny, if you eat the right foods you cannot consume enough to be fat, this is proven.
I know from experience that I can eat protein only and lose weight but that is an unhealthy diet and I cannot stay on it long. I also know from experience that I can go an a carbohydrate only diet and lose weight as long as I stay away from sweets, I can last longer on that than on high protein only. As soon as I combine meat and carbs I start to gain weight.
Currently I do heavy weight lifting three times a week along with cardio. I eat pretty much what I want to and at six four I weigh 265 pounds, obese by the weight chart but I wear a size 52 jacket and size 38 waist jeans, the jeans are starting to get loose on me. According to the charts I am obese but people tell me I look great. I am not quite at the six pack stage but am starting to see definition in my abs. Where I used to have a double chin I have only the slightly wrinkled turkey neck that comes from age. The fun part is being much stronger than the vast majority of much younger men.
I watched a very interesting documentary on TV once. It was all about the loggers who used to cut trees with hand tools only. They described the average oldtime logger as around five eight and one hundred and fifty five pounds and they were reported to have consumed seven to eight THOUSAND calories a day.
In summation, HOW MUCH a person eats is far from being the whole story.
Of course I've been hugging 450lbs since i was 14 but that's another story altogether.
No, it has to be their genetics. It can't be their fault. //sarc
That’s some link :)
Some people notice a slowdown as they are crossing into early 30s. For others, it’s mid 40s. For me, it was 14. I was eating my can of pringles every two days and all of the sudden, I noticed there was an extra 30 pounds that wasn’t there before.
Didn't hurt either. HFCS and sucrose offer the same number of calories. Unless you think glucose and fructose from HFCS is different than glucose and fructose from sucrose.
Nonsense. It's the amount of calories consumed vs. the amount of calories burned that causes obesity. Nothing more. Nothing less.
We didn’t have very much work many years ago and I sat in my office and drank 4 or 5 soda’s a day. I ballooned to 300lbs (I was 260lbs).
After a few months I got tired of being tired and the devil and I were fighting. He lost. I stopped drinking soda’s for two months and I lost 30lbs. I’ve got stretch marks to prove it.
HFCS also carries fungus’s. Which is the culprit in people with diabetes. The corn sits in silos, then it’ll get wet and the fungus grows. Then they process it and we drink it.
It’s exclusively genetic. My father is slim as he can be and also eats as he pleases and also never gains a pound.
What's really interesting is the fact that countries that don't use high fructose corn syrup in any significant quantities are experiencing, like we are, a dramatic increase in obesity and diabetes, especially in children. Go figure.
My experience is a little different. I’m 3 years younger. In March of 2008, I weighed 206. I’m 5’9” so that qualifies as Obese. I began dieting and exercising and today I weigh 173 and have 10.3% body fat. My waist has gone from 37” to 32 1/2” and I now wear a 40 Regular suit instead of a 44 regular. I have much more energy and stamina.
Congrats on the weight loss!
Calories in - calories out. What you eat, how much you eat, how much you exercise, your genetics, your metabolism, your medical condition, your big bones - these are all factors, but in the end it comes down to calories in - calories out. That's a physical fact.
Weight is a lot like height. Genetics give you a disposition to overeat or not, a fast metabolism or slow, the possibility or impossibility of being tall. But just like a poor diet growing up will leave you at the low end of your genetic height, a poor diet and lack of exercise will leave you on the fat end of your genetic width.
Yep. Oh, there might be the occasional freak, but for everybody else, it's calories consumed vs. calories burned.
People don't like to be faced with that fact.
A lot of fat people are lazy or lack self-discipline. It takes a sustained effort to resist the urges which have served man through thousands of years of genetic programming tailored to surviving regular periods of famine. But without that sustained effort, we end up getting in touch with our Inner Porky.
The introduction of this synthetic government subsidized molecule into our food tracks perfectly on a chart with the rise in obesity.
I agree. Discussing with husband last night how one of the contributing factors with apathy and violence in teenagers is that it is no longer politically correct to moralize.
I have a relative (very obese) who confessed to drinking up to a dozen regular cokes each day. He said he just could not get used to the taste of diet soda.
From an article in Nutrition Today: "A recent study by Martine Perrigue, et al at the University of Washington was presented at the April 2006 meeting of Experimental Biology. ("Hunger and satiety profiles and energy intakes following the ingestion of soft drinks sweetened with sucrose or high fructose corn syrup (HFCS)" Program Abstract # LB433) They concluded:
It's from a pay site so I cannot link you. You can find it in Nutrition Today: Volume 40(6) November/December 2005 pp 253-256 by: Gayle L. Hein, BS, and Maureen L. Storey, PhD, Center for Food, Nutrition, and Agriculture Policy, University of Maryland-College Park, College Park, MD.
According to Nutrition Today: Volume 40(6) November/December 2005 pp 253-256 by: Gayle L. Hein, BS, and Maureen L. Storey, PhD, Center for Food, Nutrition, and Agriculture Policy, University of Maryland-College Park, College Park, MD:
Fructose and glucose are absorbed and metabolized differently by the human body.10,11 However, fructose is fructose and glucose is glucose regardless of the source-HFCS, sucrose, invert sugar, or honey. In other words, after hydrolysis in the gut, the monosaccharides derived from these sweeteners are physiologically indistinguishable to the human body.
4/07/2006-New research indicates that high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) is similar to sugar in the production of leptin, insulin and ghrelin, and regulation of the body's calorie control mechanisms. The research was presented in San Francisco at the Experimental Biology conference on April 1-5, 2006.
Let’s tone down the personal stuff. Stick to the subject and stop abusing one another.
Too bad their paychecks wouldn’t allow then to find the links.
Having gone from super skinny to pretty fat and then back to normal width I know for a fact that THE overriding factor is diet and exercise. I was too poor to eat when I was super skinny, got a good job and good money and good food and got fat, then took control of what I was eating and started getting plenty of exercise to get normal.