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Coke Didn't Make America Fat
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 10-07-09 | MUHTAR KENT

Posted on 10/08/2009 6:15:17 AM PDT by GOP_Lady

Americans need more exercise, not another tax.

Obesity is a complex issue, and addressing it is important for all Americans. We at the Coca-Cola company are committed to working with government and health organizations to implement effective solutions to address this problem.

But a number of public-health advocates have already come up with what they think is the solution: heavy taxes on some routine foods and beverages that they have decided are high in calories. The taxes, the advocates acknowledge, are intended to limit consumption of targeted foods and help you to accept the diet that they have determined is best.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cocacola; coke; nanny; nannystate; obesity; tax
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To: CholeraJoe

I would love to drop forty pounds but it is no longer easy for me, what IS easy is to gain either muscle or fat depending on what I do, if I gain one I can lose the other.

Dropping actual pounds is very difficult for me now. I am trying to increase my daily activities now that he weather is cooling down. Maybe if I stay on my feet enough hours a day I can actually drop some poundage. I really would like to be long and lean again instead of piling on more muscle mass just so I can lose some fat.

If I can just get back into bicycle riding that might do the trick but I don’t have a really good place to ride, I have to hit the public roads and that can be dangerous.


151 posted on 10/08/2009 9:52:05 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: NEMDF

He has my sympathies. I just hate the taste of sweeteners. A dozen? Ouch!


152 posted on 10/08/2009 10:04:05 AM PDT by cartan
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To: aruanan

Then you would know that metabolisms differ (apparently) and perhaps absorption differs from individual to individual. That may account for the differences, I don’t know, since of course I don’t have a PhD. Where did you get your PhD? When I was doing my course work we didn’t have enough classes for a minor in nutrition which disappointed me greatly.


153 posted on 10/08/2009 10:15:42 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: fooman

First, whenever someone starts a post with “trust me” I immediately get skeptical of anything they say after that.
Second, I never said I didn’t burn calories.
Third, I don’t need an education in how it works, I understand it already.
Additionally, I don’t run, and find treadmills etc boring, and since you are so well versed in all of this, you will know that people don’t tend to stay with exercises if they find them boring and/or otherwise unpleasant.
And, lastly, do you have something that you can point me to, because I would be really interested in a good study that indicates exercising on an empty stomach increases the amount of calories you burn.


154 posted on 10/08/2009 10:19:53 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: RipSawyer

I bought an elliptical machine. It sits in my home office in front of the TV. It’s extremely low impact, no worries about traffic and the weather isn’t a factor. It is a low-end model and cost about the same as a year’s gym membership. It has 6 different programs with intervals, cardio and hill climbing. I can watch Fox News, the Hitler Channel or music DVDs while I work out.


155 posted on 10/08/2009 10:22:52 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Member of AARP - Armed And Really Pi$$ED!)
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To: CholeraJoe

I may do that myself, I use one at the gym for fifteen minutes after I finish my weight lifting routine. I like it a lot more than a treadmill or stationary bike.


156 posted on 10/08/2009 10:25:45 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: brytlea
Then you would know that metabolisms differ (apparently) and perhaps absorption differs from individual to individual. That may account for the differences

Unless someone has small bowel disease of some sort or is an alcoholic and is starving that way, absorption is almost 100% in everyone (unless you're swallowing whole kernels of corn or grains of cereal). The body is really REALLY good at absorption. If it weren't, a whole lot more of us would be dead. The two most basic facts of nutrition are 1. if it's available, it's always easier to take in energy than it is to burn it off through basal metabolism (the biggest single chunk of energy expenditure) and voluntary physical activity and 2. no society has ever had more nutritious, cheaper food in an environment that requires so little voluntary physical activity in the course of a day.

I don’t know, since of course I don’t have a PhD. Where did you get your PhD? When I was doing my course work we didn’t have enough classes for a minor in nutrition which disappointed me greatly.

The University of Chicago and, no, I never saw Obama in the flesh or Michelle, either.
157 posted on 10/08/2009 10:27:40 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: mysterio

I think you’re mostly right, I think the difference in people may be that some more calories doing the same thing, which of course would be their metabolisms. I recall a study done years ago that gave the amount of calories burned (I think they measured it by how much O2 was used—but it’s been a long time) by people who simply fidget a lot. It was amazing how many calories they fidgeted away. I tried to start fidgeting, but I guess it’s not in me, because it didn’t work! LOL
I think when someone states it’s only calories in vs calories out, they are giving a very simplistic answer to a very complex issue.
On the other hand, I KNOW I eat more than I should. So, Obama should make all food taste gross and most of us would lose weight!


158 posted on 10/08/2009 10:29:03 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: norraad
You could easily check the veracity of the research using Google. The problem is that you're afraid that what's written may interfere with your preconceived notions based on junk science, or a lack of scientific understanding altogether. It is a fact that once HFCS is hydrolized in the gut it is no different from sucrose and your body cannot distinguish between them. That being a fact, how can one affect hormone levels while the other does not?

They don't. The link between obesity and HFCS doesn't exist except in the imagination of those who don't grasp basic nutrition and chemistry.

159 posted on 10/08/2009 10:31:33 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: CholeraJoe

I thought an eliptical machine looked promising, but I don’t have the room for one. :(


160 posted on 10/08/2009 10:34:51 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: GOP_Lady
Coke and convenience marts and fast food places helped. Ultimately, people are responsible for what they decide to eat and put in their mouths.

Have you been in a McDonalds the last month. Buy a giant drink and a plastic cup (48 oz?) for 79 cents and get free refills at most mickey Ds.

When I was a kid a small or regular was 12 ounces and a large was 16. Most fast food places put the "fountain" out front for free refills.

Free product is a little harder to turn down.

More fries, larger burgers, chili cheeze nachos, free refills. Of course it contributes.

161 posted on 10/08/2009 10:35:02 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the passport, school and birth records.)
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To: aruanan

I don’t really disagree with what you’re saying, however, there seems to be something else at work. Maybe my skinny husband really doesn’t eat anything (altho he sure appears to). I know what we were taught, I also know that it doesn’t always jibe with reality.

And, a lot of the things I used to tell people (because it’s what I was taught) REALLY don’t seem to fit as I”ve aged. I have not real answer for why, I just know what is. On the other hand, my neuro thought my 2 miles per day at a pace of 3 miles per hour was really good, so that made me feel better!
:)


162 posted on 10/08/2009 10:38:49 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: GOP_Lady

I agree; I eat sweets like chocolate and ice cream every day and I’m thin as a rail. I don’t drink Coke but I bet I could drink one a day and I wouldn’t gain weight.

I walk 30 minutes a day and eat smallish meals. That’s all it really takes.


163 posted on 10/08/2009 10:39:17 AM PDT by olivia3boys
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To: brytlea
My fidgeting is directly proportional to coffee intake, lol.

I keep a semi-public food diary online. You'd be surprised how much stuff that keeps you from eating because of "I don't want my food diary buddies to think I'm a piggie." I suppose you could subvert that by lying, but I want the diary to work, so that excludes lying from the list of options.
164 posted on 10/08/2009 10:40:50 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: GOP_Lady

If the government really cared, they would make it so you couldn’t buy beverages except milk with food stamps.


165 posted on 10/08/2009 10:41:37 AM PDT by webheart
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To: RipSawyer; brytlea

I really like mine, and you can’t argue with the results. 33# down.


166 posted on 10/08/2009 10:43:43 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Member of AARP - Armed And Really Pi$$ED!)
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To: mysterio

LOL I am so sure I would lie! I actually used to think (ok, I knew it wasn’t true but anyway) that if no one saw me eat something there were no calories!
At the moment I am trying mostly to get back into a fitness routine, walking 2 miles per day (at least—sometimes I walk another mile in the evening). I know diets don’t work long term, and I know about portion control etc. On the other hand, it seems that they keep changing the rules on nutrition anyway. Oh well, maybe I’ll die thin!


167 posted on 10/08/2009 10:44:10 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: CholeraJoe

I thought that stupid Gazell Freestyle looked really fun! My dog likes me to walk tho.


168 posted on 10/08/2009 10:44:57 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Mase

It’s a paid for fact, big dif..


169 posted on 10/08/2009 10:56:56 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: brytlea
I don’t really disagree with what you’re saying, however, there seems to be something else at work. Maybe my skinny husband really doesn’t eat anything (altho he sure appears to). I know what we were taught, I also know that it doesn’t always jibe with reality.

Like almost anything, there is a Bell curve distribution. I'm sure on one end there are folks whose resting metabolism is a bit more active and on the other those whose RMR is a bit less active and all the rest of us are distributed in between. When you're younger, you have a greater ability to spontaneously adjust activity level to energy intake and vice versa. This ability appears to diminish with age; however, the necessity of physical activity often diminishes with age together with the opportunity for it. The body appears to need at least a certain level to effectively count calories, so to speak, and make adjustments in activity or appetite to maintain homeostasis in body weight/composition. The weight creep of 20-30 or more pounds that most people experience between their 30's and 50's comes out to a very, very small number of kcals per day, showing that otherwise, the match of energy intake to expenditure is pretty closely regulated.
170 posted on 10/08/2009 11:17:00 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Dr. Sivana

Sometimes I enjoy an iced tea with sugar and a lick of lemon on a hot day. Not much nutrition, but isn’t it nice to have a simple enjoyment?

It is a given that government has taxed live’s pleasures throughout histoy. Many times they ignore science and use pure politics as an excuse to tax. One thing they ignore in this process is the fact that they kill innovation and the economy. They may cause the obesity to go down when they have created conditions for starvation and poverty.


171 posted on 10/08/2009 11:49:24 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The Obama Administration is a blueprint for Fabian Socialism.)
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To: brytlea

Trust me is based on personal experience of losing 30lb without ANY diet supplements/surgery and includes my wife’s experience as well.

I originally got the morning workout bit in a workout book for men, but hey, try and see for yourself. It seems to work for all my friends who tried it. At 15 people we would have folks to prove statistical significance, given the dramatic (over a year) results.

You must not allow hypothyroidism to go on untreated or it will be HARD to metabolize and burn the calories. Personal experience also.

I find it interesting that you can walk without boredom but not run, maybe the country side passing by is entertaining you?

In any case, I listen to Rush during my workout and other music. So TV, Rush, MP3 books etc are a MUST. My niece is nurse practitioner and she has had luck with exercise video games as well...


172 posted on 10/08/2009 12:53:43 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: aruanan

Hey, I went to the U of C too!


173 posted on 10/08/2009 12:55:10 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: norraad

What does that even mean? I have no idea what you’re talking about.


174 posted on 10/08/2009 1:12:04 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

Wow, you’ve got much to learn about this world my son.


175 posted on 10/08/2009 1:18:00 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: aruanan
When you're younger, you have a greater ability to spontaneously adjust activity level to energy intake and vice versa.

That's interesting, must be research newer than when I was still involved in the field. We were taught that as you age muscle mass diminished and because muscle takes more cals per pound, you could eat less without weight gain. I have not kept up with the newer research as I have been out of the field since the early 1990s and while I do read things I run across I wouldn't call that keeping up.

176 posted on 10/08/2009 1:20:32 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: fooman

I don’t run because I have a neurological problem and if I ran it would create more pain issues, and my goal is to be able to continue activity. I walk because I do enjoy the outdoors (and I take my dog so it is a twofer, she gets her outing as well). I would love to take my camera with me (I am a serious amateur photographer) but I think I wouldnt’ get my heart rate up as I would be stopping all the time to take photos (I live in South Florida and there are ALWAYS photo ops at every turn!) I need to find my scansea and start listening to music, altho I’m a little afraid some little old lady will run over me if I can’t hear the traffic!

As for personal experience, I have lost as much as 50 pounds (and lesser amounts) at various times using different diets/methods. I did the very best with Atkins, altho I have also lost significant amounts with simple calorie counting and Weight Watchers which is really just an easier way to count calories. When I exercised a lot (I taught aerobic dance for a number of years, usually at least 5 days per week) I never paid attention to what I ate and kept a steady weight of about 117 with 17% body fat (man, those were the days!). However, I have found that as I have aged (at age 52, and I admit that because of my health issue I became completely sedentary) diets don’t seem to work very well by themselves. I am hoping that my walking regimin, which I started in July) will help. I know that 2 miles per day is not very much, but at this time, it’s what I can do.
So, my point (and yes I have one!) is that, regardless of what I know via my education, my experience has not been exactly what I was taught. I think different things work for different people, and the goal should be to find what works. It doesn’t hurt to toss around information, however.
I’m glad you are having success. When I worked in the fitness field, my only goal was to help people become more fit. I think fit people are happier and feel better.


177 posted on 10/08/2009 1:30:24 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: norraad

Huh? ESL?


178 posted on 10/08/2009 1:32:50 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
..ok, listen up, if you've ever been involved in these studies, you "know" the outcome depends on whose paying for it.

It's always follow the money.

For instance, the whole fake green movement is based on a "study" done by USC that "proved" greenhouse gases were because of r-12.

The "study" was paid for by Dupont whose patent on r-12 was about to run out.

179 posted on 10/08/2009 1:41:43 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad
I've been involved in lots of studies. You? I understand that some studies are conducted to find the desired outcome rather than the truth. But all that doesn't matter now, does it? You claimed that HFCS interferes with the hormones that mediate satiation. I assume that you believe this does not occur when consuming regular old table sugar (sucrose). Otherwise, why would you even respond? So, that being so, how is glucose and fructose from hydrolyzed HFCS different from the glucose and fructose in sucrose? Wouldn't they have to be different for one (HFCS) to "interfere" with hormones while the other (sucrose) does not?

I eagerly await your explanation that isn't tainted by corporate or government money.

180 posted on 10/08/2009 1:51:41 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
hmmm, not tainted, no, I'm not a corn whore.

In fact, I hate that they've modified corn into a monster.

I miss some of the old varieties.

You can prove it to yourself.

Drink crappy HFSC products and feel how they swell up your liver, then carefully track your weight gain with a good digital scale.

Then don't drink that stuff for a week and your weight will go back down and you will feel better.

I rec. using the new Zero water filter pitcher for the in between clearing portion of the test.

They even give you a digital TDS meter that can be used anywhere(it's only a little bigger than a pen), I got mine at a goodwill store but Wal-Mart etc. sells them. Miles above Pur and Brita.

If you want to go further, then repeat the procedure drink really good sugared product.

After that try the same thing for the same period with diet soda.

You'll be amazed, and maybe you'll get it.

181 posted on 10/08/2009 2:04:41 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad
For instance, the whole fake green movement is based on a "study" done by USC that "proved" greenhouse gases were because of r-12.

You're not confusing CFCs destroying the ozone layer with the recent green house gas fiasco, are you?

The "study" was paid for by Dupont whose patent on r-12 was about to run out.

You have a copy of that patent? Or are you making stuff up?

182 posted on 10/08/2009 2:43:57 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: norraad
Drink crappy HFSC products and feel how they swell up your liver

You can feel your liver swell up?

183 posted on 10/08/2009 2:45:55 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
No I not makin' anything up.

I lived it.

I was family to some of the research people.

Family shares things, you know.

184 posted on 10/08/2009 2:47:48 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: GOP_Lady

Nice article. Thanks for posting it.


185 posted on 10/08/2009 2:48:55 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Yeah, you can feel your liver swell up to if you pay attention to your body.

Big prob. , people just don't pay attention.

186 posted on 10/08/2009 2:49:23 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad
No I not makin' anything up.

Perhaps you'd share?

You know, like a copy of the patent? Or a link?

You don't thing Freon was banned because of global warming, do you?

187 posted on 10/08/2009 2:53:18 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Mase

Maybe. Maybe not.


188 posted on 10/08/2009 2:53:25 PM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: Mase

HFCS has a higher level of fructose, and has been shown to increase triglyceride levels.


189 posted on 10/08/2009 2:55:02 PM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
The word is “metabolism”. Mine is so high, I can eat like a horse and it doesn’t show.

Well... mostly
The feed bag may be a bit obvious.

Smile

190 posted on 10/08/2009 2:57:05 PM PDT by 70times7 (Serving Free Republics' warped and obscure humor needs since 1999!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
You'll have to do your own research, but yes, it was a big part of the scam.

r-12 was and is the best "freon", they had to market an older version of the formula 134a because they couldn't improve r-12 into a better product.

134a sucks, that's why they didn't market it when they had a better product r-12 way back when.

191 posted on 10/08/2009 2:57:05 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad
You'll have to do your own research,

To prove your claim about the patent?

Or to clear up your confusion about the ban?

192 posted on 10/08/2009 3:00:13 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
So you tell me your side of the story.
193 posted on 10/08/2009 3:03:24 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad
You're the one with the story.

So when did they get the patent? When was it going to run out?

You know the difference between the ozone layer and global warming?

194 posted on 10/08/2009 3:16:08 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: cweese
No, there's definitely no difference, unless you can prove otherwise. Can you? No one else here has been able to do so.
195 posted on 10/08/2009 3:17:09 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
That's funny, yes, I know the dif..

The bull is very much the same with the HFCS debate.

Sneakyman Inc. controls the perceived reality of the scam, I mean situation.

196 posted on 10/08/2009 3:19:14 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad
You know the difference between the ozone layer and global warming?

That's funny, yes, I know the dif..

Then why did you say, "For instance, the whole fake green movement is based on a "study" done by USC that "proved" greenhouse gases were because of r-12"?

197 posted on 10/08/2009 3:21:39 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: GOP_Lady

“Coke Didn’t Make America Fat”

It made my Uncle skinny.

and fidgety.


198 posted on 10/08/2009 3:22:31 PM PDT by Grunthor (Thank YOU George Bush, for giving us the GOP of today!)
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To: brytlea

I watered down my son’s juice as well.
When he was a little guy he LOVED the stuff. I think “juice” was his first word. LOL!

Anyway, I got to the point of watering down the juice to half juice/half water. His doctor recommended it because his weight was starting to creep up.

After a few months his weight leveled off and has remained normal into his 20’s.

When he had his first taste of “real” juice at him grandma’s house he was shocked. It is pretty sweet if you are not used to it.


199 posted on 10/08/2009 3:23:09 PM PDT by Aurorales
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To: Toddsterpatriot
It was used as as foundation to pile on and refer to.

That how it starts and builds.

You take one paid for false premise and you build from there.

200 posted on 10/08/2009 3:24:16 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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