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Congress may extend hate crimes laws to cover gays
Associated Press ^ | JIM ABRAMS

Posted on 10/08/2009 11:49:30 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

WASHINGTON (AP) - Assaulting people because of their sexual orientation would become a federal hate crime in legislation the House is set to vote on Thursday. The bill would significantly expand the hate crimes law enacted in the days after Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination in 1968.

With the expected House passage and eventual approval by the Senate, federal prosecutors will for the first time be able to intervene in cases of violence perpetrated against gays based on their sexual orientation.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho44; bhohomosexualagenda; homosexualagenda; thoughtpolice

1 posted on 10/08/2009 11:49:31 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

And when the rights of Christians are threatened, I know what side I will take.


2 posted on 10/08/2009 11:50:36 AM PDT by cvq3842 (A fool and his liberty are soon parted.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I thought that was the whole point.

“Hate Crime Laws” are actually (and this has been demonstrated in Canada) “anti-Christian laws”.


3 posted on 10/08/2009 11:51:12 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What they really need to do is make verbal assualt on politicians a hate crime.


4 posted on 10/08/2009 11:51:12 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Assaulting people because of their sexual orientation would become a federal hate crime

I thought it already was.

Christians and Conservatives also need to be included on that "protected" list.

5 posted on 10/08/2009 11:51:37 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (The Libs play dirty. When all else fails, call the Conservatives "racist".)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
These so-called 'gays' need to be covered.

Rip

6 posted on 10/08/2009 11:52:21 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The only people these laws don’t cover is NORMAL PEOPLE.


7 posted on 10/08/2009 11:52:39 AM PDT by MaxMax (Obama can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

All this means is an openly gay man can do or say anything he wants, they will be like a protected species that cannot be touched. (not that I would ever want to touch one mind you...)


8 posted on 10/08/2009 11:53:31 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This ought to be fun. How about the rights of polygamists? And you know the hate crimes against the goat ...

My guess is the Supreme Court might argue that equal protection under the law is what is supreme.


9 posted on 10/08/2009 11:53:48 AM PDT by Tarpon (Oba-Mao is a reader, not a leader ...)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

The whole point is to criminalize
anyone who quotes the bible
on the abomination, indecency, and perversion
of homosexual lusts and acts.


10 posted on 10/08/2009 11:53:57 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Tarpon

If you want to know how they’ll apply their ideology to any given situation,

all you have to ask is “what position on this issue would further the destruction of the traditional family and/or Western Civilization”,

and you’ll know which side of the issue the left will take.


11 posted on 10/08/2009 11:55:31 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hmmm. Growing up, I was subjected to more ethnic jokes than I care to remember, because my last name ends in “ski”.

Where’s my personal hate crime? I wanna sue somebody.


12 posted on 10/08/2009 11:55:43 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: MrB

Yep, been doing this for a long time. It’s time we fought back.


13 posted on 10/08/2009 11:56:23 AM PDT by Tarpon (Oba-Mao is a reader, not a leader ...)
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To: Zeddicus

If your ethnic group or culture was actively opposed to Western traditional culture,

you’d be protected by “hate crime” legislation.

I don’t think the Poles, being white European Western Culture followers, will ever qualify for protection.


14 posted on 10/08/2009 11:57:26 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

I thought they passed the law after the Matthew Shepherd incident.


15 posted on 10/08/2009 11:57:28 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I know how to beat this. Everyone sign up as being gay.


16 posted on 10/08/2009 11:58:13 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
And, if this law passes the next logical (to them) progression will be to make it a hate crime to forbid your children to participate in anything remotely resembling homosexuality.

Between the "hate crimes", "EEO", and "obamaland tactics", the white, christians in this country are being set up to be the next group of "slaves", with no rights whatsoever. Reparation is not only about money....
17 posted on 10/08/2009 11:58:37 AM PDT by FrankR (To Congress: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10!)
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To: MaxMax
The only people these laws don’t cover is NORMAL PEOPLE.......... who are viewed as the problem.
18 posted on 10/08/2009 11:59:31 AM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: AppyPappy

How does someone prove they’re gay?


19 posted on 10/08/2009 12:00:25 PM PDT by MaxMax (Obama can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It’s about time. I’ve noticed gay people are very hateful, and it’s about time that when they attack me and my family, or others who think like I do, they should be punished.

:-)


20 posted on 10/08/2009 12:01:26 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Free ThinkerNY

shows how much I know - I thought ‘hate crime’ was about
crime against gays....


21 posted on 10/08/2009 12:01:54 PM PDT by malia
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To: Free ThinkerNY

In the gays defense, they aren’t perpetrating premeditated acts of violence against Christians.


22 posted on 10/08/2009 12:02:36 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Free ThinkerNY

DC = Degenerates Cesspool


23 posted on 10/08/2009 12:02:46 PM PDT by tflabo
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I thought it was already illegal to assault people.


24 posted on 10/08/2009 12:03:10 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Zeddicus

I’ve not only beared the brunt of Polish jokes for most of my life, but also endured vicious blond jokes during that time as well.


25 posted on 10/08/2009 12:06:02 PM PDT by SirFishalot
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To: RC one

You must have missed the aftermath of prop 8 in Cali...

Gays were planning violence and vandalism against religious denominations that were promoting protecting one man one woman marriage.


26 posted on 10/08/2009 12:08:17 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: MaxMax

George Carlin said “why don’t you bend over and we’ll both find out”


27 posted on 10/08/2009 12:09:05 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Somebody explain to me how tiered penalties for certain crimes, depending on the presumed motives of the perpetrator, are not a violation of the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment.


28 posted on 10/08/2009 12:09:57 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"Assaulting people because of their sexual orientation would become a federal hate crime in legislation the House is set to vote on Thursday."

Hmmm, since we don't know what sexual orientation babies in their mothers wombs are until after they are born, and since it seems to have been accepted that gays and lesbians are born that way, couldn't one say that abortion could be a hate crime? I mean since you can't prove which way straight or gay the yet to be born baby is......

29 posted on 10/08/2009 12:15:26 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/user/GloriaJane)
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To: MrB

f*ck it then. let’s go beat up a queer before the law passes (that’s a joke btw).


30 posted on 10/08/2009 12:20:54 PM PDT by RC one
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To: staytrue

I would so be in jail.


31 posted on 10/08/2009 12:21:56 PM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: RC one
In the gays defense, they aren’t perpetrating premeditated acts of violence against Christians.

I assume you have proof of that. Please post the link.

Here is a link: Link

32 posted on 10/08/2009 12:23:38 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: cvq3842

Since the Bible is quite clear about gays/sodomites and what God suggests be done to them in the OT(stoning), I wonder how long it will be before the Bible itself is outlawed as “hate speech”. All I can say is I have more than one Bible in the house and more than one gun. And I am proficient with both.


33 posted on 10/08/2009 12:24:33 PM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Assaulting somebody is already a crime. The feds have no place in enforcing violations of what should be state crimes.

Colonel, USAFR


34 posted on 10/08/2009 12:25:48 PM PDT by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: thethirddegree
I wonder how long it will be before the Bible itself is outlawed as “hate speech”.

The whole point.

35 posted on 10/08/2009 12:26:38 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
This is yet another facet of the Great Victimology Scam.

I posted this analysis on another thread, but it equally applies here. Here's how the scam works, for those of you who are frustrated by its persistence and the seeming inability of the GOP to surmount it:

1. Some people are members of a "Protected Class".
2. All "Protected Class" members are entitled to special rights and accusation privileges, unless they also happen to be a member of an "Oppressor Class" (see below)
3. In order to qualify for Protected Class membership, one must be at least one of the following:

a. Non-white or of mixed racial composition
b. Female
c. Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgendered, or Sexually Indeterminate
d. Disabled
4. Some people are members of "Oppressor Classes", including:
a. Heterosexual White Males
b. Conservatives and/or Republicans
c. Members of traditional religious faiths, including Fundamentalist Christians, Orthodox Catholics or observant Jews.
5. Membership rights and privileges of a Protected Class are automatically negated by concurrent membership in an Oppressor Class. For example, a Disabled Hispanic man would ordinarily be protected, unless he also happened to be a Republican, which, as an Oppressor Class negates the protection. Likewise, a white female would be protected unless she happens to be a Christian, and so on.
6. Protected Class members are entitled to the following rights and privileges:
a. Total immunity from criticism regarding their thoughts, words, or behavior.
b. A presumption of having been oppressed, now or in the past, and a presumption of innocence with regard to anything with which they might be charged by a member of an Oppressor Class.
c. The right of accusation against any member of an Oppressor Class, and a presumption that their accusation is factual and true.
d. Exemption from all personal responsibilities, including the necessity to provide for one's own existence by working.
Now, the reason why Oppress... er, I mean, Republicans have difficulty negating the effects of this scam is because it is part of the Left's Progressive project, and the whole of our culture is in on it. Our public schools indoctrinate children in the lessons as outlined above in virtually every subject, including the natural sciences (what is "Global Warming" but the outcome of white male capitalist greed?).

Moreover, by pretending to speak for entire "classes" of people, the Left adopts a powerful psychological weapon. If a conservative man criticizes an aspect of modern feminism, he's not attacking feminists, he "hates women". If a GOP woman does the same, she "opposes women's rights" or "doesn't want equality". Similarly, if a white man dares to mention that inner-city schools are failing, he is not hailed as a reformer: he just "hates black people" or wants to starve their school of funding. If a black Republican makes the same complaint, he's an "Uncle Tom", which is another means of invoking accusation privileges.

And that's entire the purpose of the "game": it is intimidation, practiced on a grand scale in order to achieve and maintain political power.

The only way to beat it is to agree to stop playing along, which takes a backbone and some testicular fortitude, both of which one presumes might be found among members of the Oppressor Classes.

36 posted on 10/08/2009 12:26:54 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: MaxMax

How does someone prove they’re gay?

Max - don’t go there...

Colonel, USAFR


37 posted on 10/08/2009 12:27:09 PM PDT by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: Navy Patriot

when was the last time you heard about a gang of drunken faggots beating a Christain to death as he walked out of his church?


38 posted on 10/08/2009 12:50:59 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Hate crimes laws are unconstitutional and should be struck down, equal justice under the law.
39 posted on 10/08/2009 12:57:29 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: MaxMax

How does someone prove they’re gay?””

I have stated the same concern a dozens of times. Will they be required to demonstrate felching, rimming, or gerbiling? How does one get benefits for pervert partners?? Is a demonstration required or just a simple statement, like, I’m a fag and so is my partner. Sign him up.


40 posted on 10/08/2009 1:12:51 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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To: RC one

On several occasions gangs of queers have entered churches during services to sling brown rubbers throughout the sitting area. This act has been perpetrated in San Fransicko, NY and other venues. We won’t go into the facts that most of them have molested young boys. Homopedophilia is part of the lifestyle no one talks about.


41 posted on 10/08/2009 1:20:09 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Freedom's Precious Metals: Gold, Silver and Lead))
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To: MaxMax

To the left, normal people are the anathema.

We are to be marginalized, because our way of life (heterosexual marraige, children, personal responsibility, faith in God, reaping the benefits of your work, etc) is the font of all ills.

Fortunately, the left has the solution. If we all become pacifistic, third-world, stone-age tech, homosexual athiests who live in plural marraiges, sucking on the teats of government for our livelihood, the Golden Age will arrive.

At least until the waves of Muslims arrive to cut off our heads. But until then we’ll be able to smugly pronounce our superiority.


42 posted on 10/08/2009 1:29:03 PM PDT by DesertConservative
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To: Neoliberalnot

Listen man, I really don’t want to take this up as some kind of cause or something. Go find a queer and beat him to death if you want to. I’m done with this.


43 posted on 10/08/2009 1:31:39 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I think it's time we all legally change our race and marriage status records to state that we're all black and very gay.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

44 posted on 10/08/2009 1:32:09 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Zeddicus

[...because my last name ends in “ski”.]

Good question! My last name rhymes with “grease”, so my children need protection from the insults and the inherent risks associated with other kids “jokes.”


45 posted on 10/08/2009 1:36:52 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go Home!)
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To: RC one

[Listen man, I really don’t want to take this up as some kind of cause or something.]

Then why did you post your original statement? And more importantly, why do you assume those opposed to this law are planning on attacking gays tonight?

Since there are already laws against beating/killing anyone, explain how this law would provide MORE protection? During the Columbine massacre, Eric and Dylan violated seventeen (17) local, state and federal laws! So according to you, writing more laws would have stopped them from killing all those people!

This is not about protecting anyone, it is about silencing people and having them denounce their religious beliefs against homosexuality. Just because this law does not exist doesn’t mean there will be “white Christian wilding” events staged to beat up gays! That is about as stupid an argument as you can use!

Plain and simply stated, this is about legally ending religious opposition to homosexuality!


46 posted on 10/08/2009 1:56:08 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go Home!)
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To: ExTxMarine

I guess you missed the part where I said I’m done with this.


47 posted on 10/08/2009 2:53:52 PM PDT by RC one
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To: MaxMax
How does someone prove they’re gay?

They won't have to. If fact, only perceived "gayness" somehow related to a crime will trip the switch, even when nobody involved in the "crime" is homosexual.

It's amazing, isn't it? "Gays" aren't being protected - only "gayness."

48 posted on 10/08/2009 3:32:35 PM PDT by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")
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To: RC one
Burn their Churches

Huckabee

Prop 8

49 posted on 10/08/2009 3:40:50 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: RC one

No, I saw it. I was just wondering why exactly did you shake up the bee’s nest and then run.


50 posted on 10/08/2009 3:48:09 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go Home!)
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