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Apache Pilots Shocked by Size of Attack on Afghan Outpost
ABC ^ | Afghanistan, Oct. 8, 2009 | KAREN RUSSO

Posted on 10/08/2009 5:58:02 PM PDT by Joiseydude

The pilot of an Apache gunship, who flew to the rescue of U.S. soldiers nearly overrun at a remote outpost in Afghanistan last weekend, told ABC News today that he had "never seen that large of a force" attacking coalition troops in Afghanistan.

By the time Warrant Officer Ross Lewellen and Warrant Officer Chad Bardwell arrived over the embattled outpost, dubbed Camp Keating, it was in flames and dozens of insurgents could be seen on the camp's perimeter.

When the battle was over and the fire extinguished, many who survived had nothing left "except the clothes off their backs and the weapons in their hands," one soldier told ABC News.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; karenrusso; rulesofengagement; russo; wot
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1 posted on 10/08/2009 5:58:02 PM PDT by Joiseydude
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To: Joiseydude
One of those killed last weekend was from Southern NJ.

RIP

2 posted on 10/08/2009 5:59:10 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: Joiseydude

Sounds like Nam all over.


3 posted on 10/08/2009 6:00:20 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Joiseydude

The funeral for one of those brave warriors who gave the ultimate sacrifice for his country is tomorrow at the Main Post Chapel at Ft Knox.


4 posted on 10/08/2009 6:00:43 PM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: Joiseydude

“Broken Arrow. I say again, Broken Arrow.”


5 posted on 10/08/2009 6:00:57 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The President has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet. " Steyn)
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To: Joiseydude
The wages of treason inside the WHite House.Afghanistan is now Vietnam II.

Horrible!

6 posted on 10/08/2009 6:02:00 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: NonValueAdded

That’s what I was thinking as I read this news story.


7 posted on 10/08/2009 6:03:10 PM PDT by Joiseydude (I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees. Live free or die.)
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To: Joiseydude
Didn't we used to have C-130's over there? The planes that can lay down an obscene amount of firepower? I'm thinking that the enemy didn't use massed forces back when the Rules of Engagement allowed us to whup serious ass.

But I guess things changed. Well ... I think the hope and change isn't working.

8 posted on 10/08/2009 6:03:50 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Joiseydude
The firefight, which killed eight U.S. troops and left 24 soldiers wounded, came as President Obama is formulating fiddles
9 posted on 10/08/2009 6:04:07 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" LINCOLN)
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To: Joiseydude
After reading the story at the ANC link, there is no questuiion that napalm will now become the bomb of choice.

Yep, Vietnam II.

10 posted on 10/08/2009 6:06:55 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Joiseydude

I trust war reporting by Michael Yon. I’ve read several of his articles:

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/

I haven’t read much by Michael Totten, but I made a point of bookmarking his site:

http://www.michaeltotten.com/


11 posted on 10/08/2009 6:12:53 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: Candor7

One small problem, there is a 1980 UN convention against the use of napalm against civilian targets. The US is not a signatory but you can bet the first report of a baby with napalm burns is something the current administration will not allow to happen. And you can bet the tallies know this and will drag a few civilians along just for the psyops value.


12 posted on 10/08/2009 6:14:00 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The President has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet. " Steyn)
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To: ClearCase_guy

AC 47s

Puff the Magic Dragon.


13 posted on 10/08/2009 6:14:14 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Better for us if enemy uses massed forces. Big mistake that guerillas make is to try to match firepower with conventional forces.

parsy, who read it in a book about Guerilla Warfare


14 posted on 10/08/2009 6:15:19 PM PDT by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Joiseydude

Remember the dem mantra, that the first Gulf War was a failure and a fraud because Bush I did not finish the job and get Sadam?
It was to any thinking person just an effective exercise in dem politics for the morons in America.
Remember when Bush II finished the job and the dems said that was a disaster because Afghanistan was the proper war to pursue?
It was to any thinking person just an effective exercise in dem politics for the morons in America.
Our enemies are not morons, they understand our new government is neither fit nor commited to pursue this war.
Americas enemies are emboldened and already savor victory.


15 posted on 10/08/2009 6:16:15 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: NonValueAdded

Agreed


16 posted on 10/08/2009 6:16:35 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: ChessExpert

Yon: 5 OCT 2009 “We need more gear and more forces now. We can outfight these enemies and we can win the war, but at this rate a favorable outcome is difficult to imagine.”


17 posted on 10/08/2009 6:17:17 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The President has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet. " Steyn)
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To: Joiseydude

Hey Obozo - increase the troop levels in Afghanistan and quite playing politics before more soldier’s lives are lost as a result of your stupidity.


18 posted on 10/08/2009 6:18:25 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
AC-130 Spectre Gunship Tribute
19 posted on 10/08/2009 6:18:37 PM PDT by Joiseydude (I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees. Live free or die.)
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To: maine-iac7
yep!

about time for another date night!

20 posted on 10/08/2009 6:20:23 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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To: Joiseydude
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!

But I don't think we use them anymore -- someone might get hurt.

21 posted on 10/08/2009 6:21:50 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Joiseydude

ARC-LIGHT ARC-BRITE!!!


22 posted on 10/08/2009 6:23:57 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: NonValueAdded
One small problem, there is a 1980 UN convention against the use of napalm against civilian targets. The US is not a signatory but you can bet the first report of a baby with napalm burns is something the current administration will not allow to happen. And you can bet the tallies know this and will drag a few civilians along just for the psyops value.

Too bad! If it keeps just one soldier alive....drop the napalm.....

23 posted on 10/08/2009 6:24:13 PM PDT by voicereason (I Don't Need SEX...I Get Screwed By Democrats Everyday!!!)
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To: Joiseydude
Well done, Supreme People's General Barry!


24 posted on 10/08/2009 6:26:12 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: SoldierDad

“Col. Coleman, Capt. McDaniel has a message for you - Tabasco!”


25 posted on 10/08/2009 6:26:50 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Joiseydude


26 posted on 10/08/2009 6:27:16 PM PDT by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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To: Joiseydude
Why didn't´t we EXTERMINATE EVERYTHING within 50 miles?
27 posted on 10/08/2009 6:27:28 PM PDT by WellyP
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To: ClearCase_guy; KDD; Squantos; river rat

South Vietnam was 62,000 square miles. Afghanistan is four times as big at 252,000 square miles, much of which is extremely mountainous and challenges even modern warplanes. That is, the enemy on high peaks know the helos must fly in a certain valley to come to support a besieged forward operating base.

Think abou the number of troops and warplanes we had in VN, at 62,000 square miles, compared to a much smaller number in Afghanistan, at 252,000 square miles.

Those combat support aircraft are spread mighty thin, and flying times are long.

For combat casualties, this is BAD. It’s like being shot in West Texas, and being medevaced to Houston for treatment, via a slow helicopter. In Iraq, from wounding to hospital is measured in minutes, in Afghanistan, it may be HOURS.

Folks need to understand the geography of Afhanistan.


28 posted on 10/08/2009 6:29:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Joiseydude

Great video!

parsy


29 posted on 10/08/2009 6:30:12 PM PDT by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Joiseydude

Did you see the location of the camp???
At the base of a steep mountain. Awful!!

The Taliban could toss rocks from above.

Pic at the link.


30 posted on 10/08/2009 6:40:15 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Joiseydude

An elegant rejoiner to the assertion violence “never solved anything”.


31 posted on 10/08/2009 6:40:31 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The People have abdicated our duties; ... and anxiously hope for just two things: bread and circuses)
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To: Candor7
The wages of treason inside the WHite House.Afghanistan is now Vietnam II.

Soon the Taliban will be the Afghan government complements of 0.

32 posted on 10/08/2009 6:42:14 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama: Commander-N-Chump)
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To: Travis McGee
It would be nice if our CINC (spit) would actually listen to his Generals, too.

Just a thought.

L

33 posted on 10/08/2009 6:42:32 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: ClearCase_guy


34 posted on 10/08/2009 6:44:27 PM PDT by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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To: screaminsunshine

I recall the heavy foliage in the jungles and tunneling were offered up as reasons for the high American death tolls.

Now, a barren rocky wasteland called Afghanistan is proving too much to keep our troops safe?

Where are the drones? The satellite photos? The spotters?

...or am I watching too many movies?


35 posted on 10/08/2009 6:45:29 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: screaminsunshine; Candor7

....the Taliban is starting to get it together now...just like the Communists did in VietNam...I expect even larger co-ordinated attacks in the future....it’s worth remembering that towards the end of the Russian involvement, they had whole battalions being ambushed...it takes considerable military capability to do that.


36 posted on 10/08/2009 6:45:57 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Joiseydude
Crap! And I thought Lyndon Johnson was dead, and Vietnam was over.

Seesh, am I eligible for the draft, AGAIN? I feel like I fell into a worm hole.

5.56mm

37 posted on 10/08/2009 6:46:10 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Joiseydude
The muslim in chief has every intention of TREASON.

People might be shocked at what happens over the next 60 days as the US MILITARY asserts its power.

38 posted on 10/08/2009 6:48:33 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Joiseydude
This base was set up against all rules of warfare since time imemorium...He who controls the high land, wins the day.

These soldiers were set up in the bottom of a bowl - with steep wooded hills close in on sides...for the enemy, like shooting fish in a barrel.

It was so remote, and dangerous, their supplies (they had no running water, no way to get in and out except on ‘ducks in a shooting gallery’ goat paths - supplies dropped several foot hours away, meaning to get them necessitated going outside the wire - and humping everything back on their backs - all the while, exposed.

The “base”, additionally, was located between a village and a mosque - both off limits to fire upon, even if taking fire from.

THey fought through the day, it appears, with NO air support? - as it was deemed to ‘risky’ - so they died and were wounded and while under fire, gave and administered blood to their woundedr buddies...and waited, and waited for help.

When help finally came, the KIA and the WIA were heloed out - but the remaining (56) ‘stayed to fight on.” I say BULL. Fight on with WHAT? The base had been burned - everything was lost except the clothes on their backs and the rifles in their hands. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to how many of those guns, ammo wise, went ‘black”?

I suspicion they were given no choice but to stay behind as, I suspicion again, there was either no more available helos to take them out for hours later and/or it was now daylight again and ‘too dangerous’ for rescue.

Can you imagine what they went through, seeing their buddies fall, one by one by one...
and then, when they finally get some help (I suspicion they got NO air cover for many hours into the fight - as, it seems, heretofore, that once air cover comes in and starts pounding the mountainsides, the taliban disburse rapidly = \\and then, after the KIA and MIA are effaced out, they are left until such time as helos and rescue were finally allowed.

Bottom line, the 56 survivors of a hell they should never have been in a position to have had to go through, did get out - with everything they owned destroyed, except, as reported, the clothes on their backs and guns in their hands.

All personal belongings were destroyed. They lost everything. But the army is attempting to get them new uniforms. Hip hip - puke

They needed everything from underclothes, all personal hygiene supplies, cold weather gear - remember, they are in the high Hindu Kush mts. = some of the most severe winter weather on earth - and no comfy barracks, etc., - They needed heavy wool socks, wool helmet liners, balaclavas, gloves, long johns, , fleece blankets, etc etc...and they lost their iPods, DVDs, and other little things that helped keep them sane.

That's a lotta stuff to replace quickly for 56 soldiers.

And with what they hear from back stateside, they didn't feel that confident that anyone knew or cared.
(This little firebase, how and where it was set up, was not the only one - it's been par for the course in the Nuristan
and Kunar right along...for years.)

Guess what - within 3 days of flurry - everything on the list has been raised and is one the way.

WE KNOW. WE CARE.

WE need to tell the slackers in DC to get off their ignorant duffs - we will not let this continue

39 posted on 10/08/2009 6:49:53 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" LINCOLN)
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To: STONEWALLS

When did the communists ever “get it together” in Nam?


40 posted on 10/08/2009 6:52:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: anymouse

It’s a scary guy but vulnerable. Pictures such as this are showing full counter-measure techniques to avoid successful lock.


41 posted on 10/08/2009 6:53:02 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Joiseydude

Don’t worry.

Omoslem is rigging the Rules of Engagement so Americans get slaughtered by the moslem Koranimals.

Thanks Omoslem, for being a traitor.


42 posted on 10/08/2009 6:53:07 PM PDT by Islam=Murder (Hitler hated his Jewish side, Omoslem hates his white side.)
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To: WellyP

Yea, that approach worked great for the Russians.

/sarc


43 posted on 10/08/2009 6:54:04 PM PDT by killjoy (Life sucks, wear a helmet.)
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To: Joiseydude
Lest we forget - we won this one. Big. You want to fight Americans, expect a 20-to-one kill ratio or better.

Every single one of these needs to be answered by a very large raid on the tribal areas that are the sanctuaries. We know where they are. We know who they are. Every time one of these guys leaves for jihad he needs to be thinking he's coming back to a smoking hole or not at all.

44 posted on 10/08/2009 6:55:01 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: NonValueAdded
" And you can bet the tallies know this and will drag a few civilians along just for the psyops value."

The muzzies always use their women and children for cover.

45 posted on 10/08/2009 6:58:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
...dubbed Camp Keating, it was in flames and dozens of insurgents could be seen on the camp's perimeter. When the battle was over and the fire extinguished, many who survived had nothing left "except the clothes off their backs and the weapons in their hands," one soldier told ABC News.
Oh, is that all? Flyboys. ;')
46 posted on 10/08/2009 6:58:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Travis McGee
The mountains there do make a big diff.

We will not do this but a more “ruthless or nasty” approach might be called for.

Don't want to hear from the just “nukem” crowd or any other “magic weapon” approach.

Starting to starve or otherwise eliminate the population by other means and letting then know that we will not stop till THEY kill the Taliban or AL Queda might produce results.

Will not happen.

So we either get out or prepare to spends decades, lives and money there.

47 posted on 10/08/2009 7:01:03 PM PDT by nomorelurker
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To: Vinnie
Yep. From the article:

The camp is located at the base of two steep mountains, allowing the enemy to fire down on the camp with a powerful .50 caliber machine gun and other heavy guns.

Stupid. The only way to maintain security in a situation like that is if you OWN the mountains.

48 posted on 10/08/2009 7:04:16 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: DCPatriot

What you are watching is Obama. He will fail the military. He will sell us out.


49 posted on 10/08/2009 7:07:14 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: 2111USMC

Isn’t that what happened at Khe San?


50 posted on 10/08/2009 7:09:24 PM PDT by gitmo (History books will read that Lincoln freed the slaves and Obama enslaved the free.)
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