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U.S. Eyes Israeli Tank Protection
DoD Buzz ^ | 10/09/2009 | Greg Grant

Posted on 10/09/2009 8:06:47 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

It was named one of Time magazine’s best inventions of 2008, but Raytheon’s Active Protection System (APS), formerly known as “Quick Kill,” was nowhere to be found on the floor of the Washington Convention Center at the Army’s annual conference this week. I asked the Raytheon folks about its status and the best they could come up with was that the program is “maturing”; there was no APS on display nor were there videos showing field tests of the system.

By contrast, over at the Israeli Military Industries booth, the Israelis were showing video of their “Iron Fist” APS in action and displayed the launcher, jammer, interceptor round, radar and infra-red sensors. IMI’s Rami Sokolower, director of business development, proudly told me Iron Fist was recently chosen by the Israeli Defense Forces to outfit the “Namer” heavy infantry fighting vehicle, a personnel carrier based on the Merkava tank chassis, some 600 of which are in IDF service.

From personal observation, U.S. government officials from one of the nation’s larger arsenals were clearly interested in Iron Fist and were engaged in lengthy conversation with the retired Israeli generals at the IMI booth. .

(Excerpt) Read more at dodbuzz.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antitank; aps; dod; idf; imi; ironfist; israel; m1abrams; quickkill; rafael; raytheon; tanks; trophy; usarmy

1 posted on 10/09/2009 8:06:47 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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ADS in action.
2 posted on 10/09/2009 8:14:37 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

That is cool technology.


3 posted on 10/09/2009 8:17:40 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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Iron Fist APS interceptor
4 posted on 10/09/2009 8:18:21 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: Cheetahcat

It is.


5 posted on 10/09/2009 8:18:42 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Given Barry’s questionable methods of diplomacy with Israel, no doubt that these discussion are Barry approved?


6 posted on 10/09/2009 8:20:29 PM PDT by cranked
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To: sonofstrangelove
Keep all arms, hands, upper body, and head inside the tank at all times during this explosion.



You can see the shockwave of the explosion at the bottom right.

7 posted on 10/09/2009 8:24:14 PM PDT by egannacht (Vote YES for statism: Why burden yourself with civic duty when Idol and Oprah are on?)
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To: sonofstrangelove

The U.S. Army would like Iron Fists and TROPHYs on their Abrams, M113s, Bradleys and Humvees.


8 posted on 10/09/2009 8:42:05 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: egannacht

Are these able to take out one of our M1-Abrams? Sorry, I didn’t read the whole thing.


9 posted on 10/09/2009 8:44:34 PM PDT by unkus
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To: sonofstrangelove

Israel lobby in action. Those darn Jews! They figured it out again! I’m kvetching here.


10 posted on 10/09/2009 8:49:33 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Sender

I believe the U.S. Army gave Raytheon a contract to develop a APS and they could not produce one.


11 posted on 10/09/2009 9:00:39 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove
From the article:

IMI’s Iron Fist is also classified as a hard kill – although it includes soft kill electro-optical jammers – but instead of using shrapnel to shred an incoming round it relies on blast pressure waves to deflect and break apart the round, resulting in less collateral damage and making it much safer for troops that might be accompanying the Namer on foot, said Sokolower. The laser jammer is said to be effective against second generation anti-tank guided missiles.

I've always been skeptical of APS manufacturer claims that they can intercept a 120mm sabot round, as the velocity of those rounds is so high. Sokolower said the Iron Fist's blast wave will deflect the long-rod penetrator just enough so that it “yaws” and thus hits the vehicle at a poor angle and won't completely penetrate thick steel armor. The Iron Fist's APS rounds are carried in twin launchers fitted to each side of a vehicle linked to RF and passive Infrared sensors which the company claims provides full 360 degree protection.

And now a word from the comments section, regarding Israeli company issues:

pennst98 · 9 hours ago

No. I mean they have repeatedly built in problems to their devices and inserted codes into their software that they can activate later. Can't say more.

While they do have a tendency for exaggeration (like the Russians) for their capabilities, they do have some really brilliant weapons that we should be investigating. But as i said their past problems make it hard to transition some of their technology.

Oh, almost forgot don't forget their propensity to sell technology regardless of ITAR regulations......

12 posted on 10/09/2009 9:01:19 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: myknowledge

TROPHY has a 98 percent success rate( so the IDF says)


13 posted on 10/09/2009 9:11:29 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: myknowledge

Spending to outfit this sure beats having a shaped charge come into your vehicle uninvited.


14 posted on 10/09/2009 9:18:36 PM PDT by Pelham (Amnesty for Illegals, a bipartisan goal of the Stupid Party and the Evil Party)
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To: sonofstrangelove
TROPHY active protection system
15 posted on 10/09/2009 9:21:49 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: myknowledge

Thank you very much for the link. Its very interesting.


16 posted on 10/09/2009 9:41:12 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: unkus
Are these able to take out one of our M1-Abrams? Sorry, I didn’t read the whole thing.

This is defensive equipment. It jams or physically intercepts and destroys an incoming rocket/artillery round, preventing it from hitting the defender.

17 posted on 10/09/2009 10:46:49 PM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Liberty1970

This is defensive equipment. It jams or physically intercepts and destroys an incoming rocket/artillery round, preventing it from hitting the defender.
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Then if we keep the technology to ourselves, we’ll be OK.

Thank you.


18 posted on 10/09/2009 11:20:53 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Sender

Israel is quickly becoming not only the best in the World when it comes to intelligence services but in R&D for their military. I think our military industrial complex is going to lose their grip on military aircraft next, especially with the colossal failures of the F-35 and (to a lesser extent) the F-22.


19 posted on 10/10/2009 1:53:31 AM PDT by RAO1125 (Revolution's are for Marxists. We need a Constitutional Restoration)
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20 posted on 10/11/2009 12:11:35 PM PDT by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: RAO1125

Colossal failures in the F-35 I can understand, but what do you mean when it comes to the F-22? Apart from cost, the plane has been a success when it comes to doing what it was supposed to do (and as for costs, per unit cost is as is due to the much lower production run from more than 700 to less than 200). What do you mean?


21 posted on 10/16/2009 4:26:24 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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