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Catholic Bishops Declare They Will ‘Vigorously’ Oppose Health Care Bill as It Now Stands
cnsnews.com ^ | October 08, 2009 | Fred Lucas

Posted on 10/10/2009 6:32:42 AM PDT by kellynla

One day after the White House contradicted an assertion by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops that all current versions of the health-care bill permit funding of abortion, the Catholic bishops declared they would “vigorously” oppose the bill if it was not changed to include language to prohibit abortion funding.

On Sept. 30, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), which represents the approximately 300 active bishops in the United States, sent a letter to members of the U.S. Senate in which the bishops said: “So far, the health reform bills considered in committee, including the new Senate Finance Committee bill, have not met President Obama’s challenge of barring use of federal dollars for abortion.”

At Wednesday’s White House press briefing, CNSNews.com read the bishops’ statement to Gibbs and asked: “Is that statement wrong?”

“Well, I don't want to get me into trouble at church,” said Gibbs. “But I would mention there's a law that precludes the use of federal funds for abortion that isn’t going to be changed in these health care bills.”

Gibbs was referring to the Hyde Amendment, which has been included in each year’s annual Health and Human Services Appropriation since fiscal 1977. This amendment prohibits funding of abortion only in that particular fiscal year and only among funds appropriated through that particular bill.

The programs being set up by the health-care bill under consideration in Congress would not be funded through the annual HHS appropriations bill and would not be subject to the Hyde amendment--even if Congress deems to include the Hyde Amendment in future-year HHS appropriations bills.

Democrat-controlled House and Senate committees responsible for crafting the health-care bill rejected amendments that would have inserted Hyde-type language into the health-care bill itself and thus would have explicitly barred abortion funding in the programs that would be created by the bill.

When Gibbs was asked at Wednesday’s press briefing about these failed amendments, he pointed again to the current Hyde Amendment.

“Again,” said Gibbs, “there's a fairly well documented federal law that prevents it [federal funding of abortion].”

After Gibbs’ statement, the USCCB sent another letter on Thursday, Oct. 8, to all 535 members of Congress. In this letter the bishops said that if the bill did not include language “ensuring no taxpayer money for abortion,” they would “have to oppose the health care bill vigorously.”

“If final legislation does not meet our principles, we will have no choice but to oppose the bill,” the bishops said.

One of these principles, they wrote, is: “Exclude mandated coverage for abortion, and incorporate longstanding policies against abortion funding and in favor of conscience rights. No one should be required to pay for or participate in abortion. It is essential that the legislation clearly apply to this new program longstanding and widely supported federal restrictions on abortion funding and mandates, and protections for rights of conscience. No current bill meets this test.”

The letters of Sept. 30 and Oct. 8 sent on behalf of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops were signed by Bishop William F. Murphy of the Diocese of Rockville Centre, who is chairman of the conference’s committee on domestic justice and human development; Cardinal Justin Rigali, archbishop of Philadelphia, who is chairman of the conference’s committee on pro-life activities; and Bishop John Wester of the Diocese of Salt Lake City, who is chairman of the conference’s committee on migration.

House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), one of the chief opponents of the health care overhaul measure, urged all members of Congress to read the bishops’ letter.

“Health care reform that fails to respect the sanctity of all human life is not reform at all, and the bishops’ letter confirms that the bills currently moving through Congress fail this test,” Boehner said. “It provides further confirmation that President Obama and Speaker Pelosi need to scrap the current bills and start over, this time working with Republicans to write a responsible bipartisan bill that will truly improve our health care system.”

Referencing the exchange between Gibbs and CNSNews.com, the National Right to Life Committee said the White House is engaged in a “smuggling operation.”

“Gibbs' statement is one more proof, if any more were needed, that the White House is actively engaged in a political smuggling operation--an attempt to achieve funding of elective abortion by the federal government, cloaked in smokescreens of contrived language and outright deception,” said Douglas Johnson, the NRLC’s legislative director.

“There is no current federal law that would prevent the new programs created by the pending health care bills from paying for abortion on demand--and the White House knows this full well,” Johnson said. “Only language written directly into the bills would prevent government funding of abortions--but such language has been blocked by the Democratic chairmen of five congressional committees, with White House cooperation, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is refusing to allow the House to even vote on adding a true Hyde Amendment to the health care bill.”

That hasn’t prevented President Obama and top administration officials from stating numerous times that the health care bill would not allow abortion funding.

In an August 19 talk on BlogTalkRadio, Obama said people who say that the health care bill involves government funding of abortion are fabricators who are trying to prevent the government from carrying out “a core ethical and moral obligation.”

“You’ve heard that this is all going to mean government funding of abortion. Not true,” Obama said. “This is all--these are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation. And that is that we look out for one another. That I am my brother’s keeper and my sister’s keeper. And in the wealthiest nation on earth right now, we are neglecting to live up to that call.”

On Aug. 20, Obama said, “There are no plans under health reform to revoke the existing prohibition on using federal taxpayer dollars for abortions. Nobody is talking about changing that existing provision, the Hyde Amendment. Let's be clear about that. It's just not true.”

In his Sept. 9 speech to a joint session of Congress, Obama said, “One more misunderstanding I want to clear up--under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.”

When Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius appeared on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” on Sept. 13, Stephanopoulos asked her if the bill would explicitly rule out public funding of abortion. She said it would, and said that given what President Obama was saying about prohibiting funding of abortion in the bill the Catholic bishops “endorse moving forward.”

“Secretary Sebelius, what's wrong with … making it explicit in the bill that no public funding should go toward abortions?” asked Stephanopoulos.

“Well, I think that's what the president intends to do,” said Sebelius. “There's no intent to change the language that's in the current Medicaid statute, which has been there for years and provides insurance to millions of Americans. And in fact, recently the Catholic bishops came out, after the president's statement, saying that his statement about what he intends in the plan, that no public funds would go to fund abortions, and the fact that he has come out firmly for insuring all Americans and saying it's a moral issue as well as an economic issue, and they endorse moving forward. So I think that, you know, the legislative language will reflect what the president has just said.”

Stephanopoulos followed up: “So you're saying it will go beyond what we have seen so far in the House and explicitly rule out any public funding for abortion?"

“Well,” said Sebelius, “that's exactly what the president said and I think that's what he intends that the bill he signs will do.”

Language included in both House and Senate versions of the health-care bill would subsidize health insurance premiums for people making up to 400 percent of the poverty level, and these federal subsidies would be payable to insurance plans that cover abortion. The bills provide that people using federal money to buy abortion-providing health insurance plans would have to pay an additional premium of at least $1 of their own money--under the theory that this additional premium, but not the federal dollars going to the plan, would pay for the abortions covered by the plan.

In an Aug. 11 letter to members of Congress on behalf of the bishops, Cardinal Justin Rigali called this “a legal fiction” and “an illusion.”

“The committee rejected an amendment to extend this longstanding policy [the Hyde Amendment] to the use of federal subsidies for health care premiums under this Act,” said Cardinal Rigali. “Instead the committee created a legal fiction, a paper separation between federal funding and abortion: Federal funds will subsidize the public plan, as well as private health plans that include abortion on demand; but anyone who purchases these plans is required to pay a premium out of his or her own pocket (specified in the Act to be at least $1.00 a month) to cover all abortions beyond those eligible for federal funds under the current Hyde amendment. Thus some will claim that federal taxpayer funds do not support abortion under the Act. But this is an illusion. Funds paid into these plans are fungible, and federal taxpayer funds will subsidize the operating budget and provider networks that expand access to abortions.”

Last month, after the president told the joint session of Congress that the health care bill did not fund abortion, CNSNews.com talked to Senior White House advisor David Axelrod about the contradiction between what the president said and what the bishops said.

“We’ve talked to the bishops, and the president made his position clear on this,” said Axelrod. “Hopefully, they will come to see that the assertion he made tonight is accurate.”

“This should not be turned into a debate about abortion,” Axelrod said. “It’s about making sure people don’t get thrown off their insurance if they get sick. It’s about making sure if people have preexisting conditions they can still get insurance. This is about people not going broke if they become seriously ill, and this is about people who don’t have insurance having the opportunity to get it. And we ought not to be diverted.”

“I think the church has been a great progressive force on issues like this,” said Axelrod. “Hopefully, bishops will see a way to support this (health care reform legislation).”

The bishops made clear in their Oct. 8 letter to all members of Congress that not only do they not see a way to support the bill as it now stands, they will actively oppose it.

“We sincerely hope that the legislation will not fall short of our criteria,” the bishops said in the Oct. 8 letter. “However, we remain apprehensive when amendments protecting freedom of conscience and ensuring no taxpayer money for abortion are defeated in committee votes. If acceptable language in these areas cannot be found, we will have to oppose the health care bill vigorously.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholicchurch; obamacare; prolife

1 posted on 10/10/2009 6:32:43 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses; A.A. Cunningham

ping


2 posted on 10/10/2009 6:33:08 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Nothing matters above what the Democrats want.


3 posted on 10/10/2009 6:41:38 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Nobel Peace Prize is Meaningless.)
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To: kellynla

So, if the Dems put some language in the bill that excludes abortion, the bishops have no problem with selling almost 300 million people into communist slavery just to give free health care to the “47” million that don’t have it (or CHOOSE not to have it) now?


4 posted on 10/10/2009 6:46:33 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: Bryanw92
“So, if the Dems put some language in the bill that excludes abortion, the bishops have no problem with selling almost 300 million people into communist slavery just to give free health care to the “47” million that don’t have it (or CHOOSE not to have it) now?”

What are you? Another one of those “Hate Catholics” FR clowns or just another “former” Catholic who just can't find a Confessional.

At least the Catholic Bishops are making a stand...
what are the religious down at your church doing...
that is “if” you have a “church.”

Shezzzzzzzzzzzz...

Don't think so much...you might pull a muscle.

5 posted on 10/10/2009 6:57:05 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Catholic Bishops don’t mind socialism as long as it doesn’t pay for abortions -—never mind that socialism is immoral in itself


6 posted on 10/10/2009 7:01:36 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: kellynla

“One day after the White House contradicted an assertion by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops that all current versions of the health-care bill permit funding of abortion, the Catholic bishops declared they would “vigorously” oppose the bill if it was not changed to include language to prohibit abortion funding.”

Somehwat unidimensional opposition. The bill amounts to elderly “genocide” ALSO. It also involves communism by taking away health benefits from people who paid for them all their lives. It also involves thievery and treason as it allows illegal invaders who never paid into the system to steal from it.


7 posted on 10/10/2009 7:17:41 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: uncbob
“Catholic Bishops don’t mind socialism as long as it doesn’t pay for abortions -—never mind that socialism is immoral in itself”

My, my, grandma...what a broad brush you paint the Catholic Church with.

Well, it's reassuring to know that even after months of not posting a religious thread on FR, the "Anti-Catholic Bigot Club" is alive & well.

And where do you attend religious services on Sunday...or do you?


8 posted on 10/10/2009 7:20:06 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: ZULU
Well, “until” the clowns in Congress actually WRITE a bill,
we don't actually KNOW what is gonna be contained in the bill, now do we...but I guess you FR anti-Catholic club members just can't find it in your heart to congratulate the Catholic Bishops for making a stand on abortion...

BTW, what are the religious at your church doing... do you know or do you even have a “church”...

It's easier to stand on the sidelines and criticize those of us who are “in the fight” than to actually “get in the fight” now isn't it!

9 posted on 10/10/2009 7:26:36 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

I was just pointing out that there’s a lot more evil in this bill than just abortions. Communism kills more people than abortion and the bishops should be opposed to all of it. Even if they “win” and get abortion funding removed, it will just get slipped back in under some “health of the woman” provision. To believe anything else is naive.

I don’t hate Catholics. My own church leadership isn’t doing squat to stop this bill, but they also aren’t sending out press releases. The story was about your bishops, so that was what I commented on. When an announcement from the UMC hits FR saying that it opposes only part of the bill but is cheering for the communist slavery parts, then I will comment on their hypocrisy.

You know, you don’t have to insult people that have an opinion you don’t like. I just wish your Bishops AND my Bishops would take a stand against this monstrosity.


10 posted on 10/10/2009 7:28:21 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: kellynla

AS usual you just accuse people of Catholic Bashing but don’t refute the FACTS

Bishops could care less about socialism as long as no $$$ for abortion

The same bishops that were on Reagan’s case calling for a Nuclear Freeze etc

I quit going to Catholic Church years ago

I couldn’t stand the PC sermons and left wing BS

The leaders are a disgrace


11 posted on 10/10/2009 7:29:35 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: uncbob
“refute” your “facts”

FYI, genius, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PROTESTANTS & JEWS WHO HAVE NEVER MADE A STAND AGAINST ABORTIONS. AND IN “FACT” HAVE VOTED FOR AND FUNDED ABORTIONS FOR 35 YEARS. “FACT”

“I quit going to Catholic Church years ago”

Figures...well, it's your soul, not mine!

Do yourself a favor, and go to Confession today.
Hell can be mighty hot for eternity...
I know, I was there for two years.

12 posted on 10/10/2009 7:39:43 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Bryanw92
“My own church leadership isn’t doing squat to stop this bill”

Well, then I suggest you “clean up your own house” before you criticize those of us who are actually fighting abortions!!!

13 posted on 10/10/2009 7:41:54 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

If there’s already a law that prevents federal funding, then it wouldn’t hurt at all to put it in the health care bill, too, would it?


14 posted on 10/10/2009 7:42:20 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: kellynla
“Well, I don't want to get me into trouble at church,” said Gibbs.

I would think he wouldn't want to get in trouble with GOD before church.

15 posted on 10/10/2009 7:43:30 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Prediction: Obamacare is D.O.A.
It “might” get out of the House but doubtful because of the Blue-Dog Democrats but "if" it does, many of the clowns in the Senate are also up for reelection next year; so “if” they wanna get reelected they will not pass Obamacare.
16 posted on 10/10/2009 7:46:30 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: uncbob
Catholic Bishops don’t mind socialism as long as it doesn’t pay for abortions -—never mind that socialism is immoral in itself

Here's a list of 44 Catholic bishops against Obamacare.

http://americanpapist.com/2009/09/list-bishops-against-obamacare.html

And here's another comment:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2344570/posts

17 posted on 10/10/2009 7:51:26 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
“I would think he wouldn't want to get in trouble with GOD before church.”

Yea, well as we all know, stammerin’, stutterin’, uh-uh-uh Gibbs is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

A person could do stand-up at the Improv 365 days a year using Hussein & his propeller-heads and the rest of the dumb-ass ‘Rats for material and NEVER repeat a joke. BIG SMILE

18 posted on 10/10/2009 7:53:02 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: uncbob; kellynla

See post #17.


19 posted on 10/10/2009 7:54:07 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: kellynla
stammerin’, stutterin’, uh-uh-uh Gibbs

His speech teacher was obama.

20 posted on 10/10/2009 7:55:19 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: kellynla

>>Well, then I suggest you “clean up your own house” before you criticize those of us who are actually fighting abortions!!!

You need to take a deep breath and relax. No one is criticizing the Catholics for fighting abortion. We are criticizing them for NOT fighting the communist takeover of the USA.

If you don’t want people to comment on things you post, you really shouldn’t post. This isn’t called FREE Republic for nothing. If you do want them to comment, then learn to be respectful.


21 posted on 10/10/2009 7:56:48 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Hey, anyone who knows KellynLA knows that I am one of the biggest critics of my Church and many of her members who claim to be "Catholic" BUT I'm gonna continue practicing my faith and continue to fight against abortions. Is there more that the Catholic Church and her members can do...of course, but I'm not gonna stand on the sidelines and complain while there are so many Catholics like me trying to "do the right thing" and "fight the good fight!"
22 posted on 10/10/2009 8:02:48 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Bryanw92
“We are criticizing them for NOT fighting the communist takeover of the USA.”

“them?”...and just what have you and/or YOUR RELIGIOUS done to “fight” communism?

FYI, genius, this Marine FOUGHT Communism in 1969 & 1970...and got my ass shot off for my service.

And there are THOUSANDS of Catholic missionaries throughout the world “fighting” communism in communist countries through prayer, practice & conversion of CATHOLICISM!!!
But I don't hear any congratulations from the likes of you and those like you!!!

shezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

23 posted on 10/10/2009 8:11:23 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: ZULU
The bill amounts to elderly “genocide” ALSO. It also involves communism by taking away health benefits from people who paid for them all their lives. It also involves thievery and treason as it allows illegal invaders who never paid into the system to steal from it.

Wow! Exactly!

24 posted on 10/10/2009 8:14:29 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, O'Riley! I'd rather be a CRACKER than a CASPAR.)
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To: All
Off to Mass. Have to pray to God for my fellow Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen & Marines.

Semper Fi,
Kelly

25 posted on 10/10/2009 8:22:05 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Please pray for yourself too. You were abusive and disrespectful to every single person that commented on your post. You need to ask the Holy Spirit to help you be a better person.


26 posted on 10/10/2009 8:31:51 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: Right Wing Assault

>>Here’s a list of 44 Catholic bishops against Obamacare.

Thanks for posting that. Those 44 really do “get it”.


27 posted on 10/10/2009 8:33:55 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: Bryanw92

I don’t need lectures from the likes of you, missy.


28 posted on 10/10/2009 9:15:08 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

LOL!


29 posted on 10/10/2009 9:56:17 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Thanks for that link. I could find it the other day!


30 posted on 10/10/2009 10:39:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Bryanw92
Even if they “win” and get abortion funding removed, it will just get slipped back in under some “health of the woman” provision. To believe anything else is naive.

This is happening already. While the Hyde Amendment does in fact "ban" federal funding of abortions it remains true that Planned Parenthood gets a ton of federal funding which it uses to perform abortions.

31 posted on 10/10/2009 10:41:16 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: kellynla
Catholic Bishops Declare They Will ‘Vigorously’ Oppose Health Care Bill as It Now Stands

Important: US Bishops taking the gloves off on health care reform
BREAKING: Catholic Bishops On Health Care - Change Bills Or Else
U.S. bishops warn of vigorous opposition if Congress fails to fix health care bills
List: *41* Bishops against Obamacare (and counting!)
Bishop Murphy Issues Video Statement on Health Care Reform [Diocese of Rockville Centre]

Health Care Principles [Bishop Samuel Aquila, Fargo, ND]
Florida Bishop [Thomas Wenski] Weighs in on Health Care Reform
ObamaCare and Catholic social teaching [Bishop Neckless]
Some Catholic bishops question gov't health care
Boston’s Roman Catholic Cardinal Says He Confronted Obama about Abortion in Health Care Plan....

Iowa Bishop: Don’t Be Railroaded into the Current...Health Care Proposals
in a message issued by the Diocese of Sioux City (The Church on Universal Healthcare)
Nazi Health Care A Catholic Bishop Speaks Out Against "End of Life Care" (Germany, 1941)
Bishop Nickless: "No Health Care Reform is Better than the Wrong Health Care Reform"
Cardinal Rigali, Abp. Chaput Intensify Warnings Against Obamacare's Abortion Expansion

32 posted on 10/10/2009 10:45:14 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: pnh102

They also use the claim that “none of this money will fund abortions”, but it is used for other functions in the organization that free up money from other sources for abortions. It’s all a big shell game.


33 posted on 10/10/2009 11:41:30 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: Salvation

Let the excommunications begin.


34 posted on 10/10/2009 12:27:23 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102

Yep - name names of all congressmen and women (including Nancy”I’m a catholic” Pelosi) who WILL BE EXCOMMUNICATED if they support murdering of babies through funds in this bill!
It’s time that the Catholics and ALL Christians stood up for what is RIGHT!


35 posted on 10/10/2009 5:15:01 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: kellynla

???????????????

I think you are a bit oversensitive.

Abortion is a sin. So is murder by benign neglect.

So is stealing - whether it involves other people’s health benefit costs, or other people’s countries.

I would suggest the good bishops expand their list of complaints against Obama Hussein and his Congressional henchmen in this health legislation.

As for the other Churches, I can’t speak for them, but most Christian denominations are hardly worth paying any attention to these days. Do you think I should take seriously what some church thinks about ordaining lesbian clerics?

The Catholic Church is probably one of the more worthwhile Christian institutions left. What I was offering was constructive criticism, not a attack.


36 posted on 10/10/2009 6:58:13 PM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: kellynla
Do yourself a favor, and go to Confession today. Hell can be mighty hot for eternity...

I am more worried about getting the 74 virgins that Allah promised me
37 posted on 10/12/2009 11:20:50 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: kellynla
I'm not clear on where you were for two years ...

But the only way to literally go to Hell is to die in a state of unrepentant mortal sin.

You seem to be alive ...

So ... I'll quote you the shortest and best sermon I've ever heard. It was delivered by a military chaplain, FWIW.

If you think it's as hot as Hell in here ... You're wrong.

That sermon has stuck with me for almost 30 years, and serves as a reminder to frequent the Sacrament of Confession.

38 posted on 10/12/2009 11:35:06 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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