18, still a kid, with Woody Allen, someone explain why???? Oh what.....cause she was 18 and still a kid!!! never mind.
Posted on 10/10/2009 7:08:32 PM PDT by Steelfish
In Polanski Case, ’70s Culture Collides With Today
By MICHAEL CIEPLY October 10, 2009
LOS ANGELES — At the end of “Manhattan,” the celebrated movie romance from 1979, a teenager played by Mariel Hemingway delivers some good news to the 42-year-old television writer, portrayed by Woody Allen, with whom she has had a long-running sexual affair.
“Guess what, I turned 18 the other day,” said Ms. Hemingway, in what was framed as a poignant encounter. “I’m legal, but I’m still a kid.”
That was then.
Roman Polanski’s arrest on Sept. 26 to face a decades-old charge of having sex with a 13-year-old girl stirred global furor over both Mr. Polanski’s original misdeed and the way the authorities have handled it — along with some sharp reminders that, when it comes to adult sex with the under age, things have changed.
Manners, mores and law enforcement have become far less forgiving of sex crimes involving minors in the 31 years since Mr. Polanski was charged with both rape and sodomy involving drugs. He fled rather than face what was to have been a 48-day sentence after he pleaded guilty to unlawful sex with a minor.
But if he is extradited from Switzerland, Mr. Polanski could face a more severe punishment than he did in the 1970s, as a vigorous victims’ rights movement, a family-values revival and revelations of child abuse by clergy members have all helped change the moral and legal framework regarding sex with the young.
Mr. Polanski’s lawyers — including Reid Weingarten, a Washington power player — are likely to argue that Mr. Polanski does not even qualify for extradition from Switzerland, because he was set to be given a jail term of less than one year when he fled to France in 1978.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Perversion is still perversion. IMHO
ROFLMAO!
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus
They were only going to give him 48 days? Where’s NOW?
What a sick society , No, make that a sick world that turns its back on the children and let’s them fall prey to abuse at the hands of pedophiles.
Mr. Cieply, you ought be careful who you coddle up to and cover for with your writings.
Roman should also get a nobel peace prize for his work with children, hey odumbo lowered the bar for everyone
Let’s face it. To defend the perversion of homosexual marriage the perverted homosexuals say we now must accept the raping kids.
Drugging and raping a 13 year old against her will is RAPE no matter when it happened.
These idiot “journalist” want to say it was simply sex...
Wrong.
Manhattan was one of, if not the worst movie I ever paid to see.
I’m sure this can all be worked out if only O’bama invites the child rapist and the victim over for a beer.
Actually, I don't think it was as understood in the 70's what Polanski had really done. All I ever heard at the time was that "Polanski had sex with a 13 year old @ Jack Nicholson's house". Having heard no particulars, I imagined a 13-year old who looked older than 13, and a wild party going on, and Polanski "not realizing what he was doing". Maybe a lot of people labored under a similar misapprehension.
However, after reading the girl's unsealed Grand Jury testimony, it is clear that Polanski deserves NO benefit of the doubt. 1.) He targeted that girl by implying he could make a model out of her. 2.) He knew she was 13 because he had to get her mom's permission to photograph her. 3.) He took her to Nicholson's pad to have sex with her. 4.) He plied her with champagne and quaaludes. 5.) He forced himself on her in spite of her refusal.
This is really an ugly, blatant case of child rape. I have no respect for anyone who would defend this pedophile.
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
Zatso? Drugging and forcibly sodomizing a little girl is now OK?
I guess I’m off the hook? </richter scale irony>
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus
If sex with a minor is no big deal today, why all the fuss over mark Foley IMing a teen boy suggestively?
Or is it like Portland Oregon Mayor Sam Adams, it’s only okay when a liberal Democrat does it?
Sorry, wrong is wrong and drugging and plying a 13 year-old for sex is perversion, not just sex.
18, still a kid, with Woody Allen, someone explain why???? Oh what.....cause she was 18 and still a kid!!! never mind.
Despite the parenthetical comment in the headline, the article says that American society is far less willing to accept sex with children than in the 1970’s.
NYT can't even get that part right. That part has been established, what remains is sentencing for it plus the newer charge of fleeing.
13? Somehow I doubt that was cool even in 1977.
I’m glad the rapist pervert is in jail tonight. And for many more to come. Better late than never.
“But it wasn’t really rape-rape.”
—Whoopi Goldberg
Don't forget to add "fleeing felon". The POS had lucked out with a plea bargain to a lesser offense, when he could have been doing 25-to-life.
But 90 days in the joint was too much for him, even with a deal like that. He violates the generous terms of an early release, and with the prospect of having to serve the last 42 days of his creampuff sentence, flees the country for the life of a rich international fugitive.
Now he's still trying to escape the consequences of his own actions, and he has the support of the artistic/leftist elite who also believe that they're all entitled to that free lunch. It's not "sex with an underage minor" (which might be consensual, but is still a felony), it's rape of a minor, sodomy, and unlawful flight. The victim may have forgiven him, which is her own choice. Polanski owes American society some long years doing hard time, despite what his friends say. If they want to express solidarity with him, let them volunteer to serve six months of his new sentence for him.
“a vigorous victims’ rights movement, a family-values revival and revelations of child abuse by clergy members have all helped change the moral and legal framework regarding sex with the young.”
So NY Times article seems to be making the point that ...... right wing “reactionaries” spurred on by clerical hypocrisy have given pedophilia a bad name? Amazing!
Yup, way back in the 70’s, anally raping a 13 year old girl twice after drugging her was practically legal. Hell, back then, being convicted of first degree murder would usually get you only a small fine and a suspended sentence.
I guess we’ll be hearing a lot of apologies to Catholic Priests from the lefties, right?
Mark
>>>Mariel Hemingway delivers some good news to the 42-year-old television writer, portrayed by Woody Allen, with whom she has had a long-running sexual affair.
Another illustration they could have used is from “The President’s Analyst” (1967), when James Coburn running from the FBI (FBR in the film) takes shelter in a hippie commune and is comforted in an open field of flowers by an underage girl character. As they make love they are oblivious to the US and foreign agents killing each other in the shrubs. The actress was of legal age though.
Pretty good movie actually.
Quote from the film:
Soviet agent Kropotkin: “Are you trying to tell me every phone in the country is tapped?”
American agent Masters: “That’s what’s in my head.”
Kropotkin: “Don, this is America, not Russia!”
Just because it’s the NYT doesn’t mean there’s an unspoken “And that’s why he should get away it” subtext. The aritcle is right; the 70s where the nadir of everything. It should serve as a reminder of where the counterculture took us and how far the conservative backlash that gave us Reagan managed to bring us back.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
I wouldn't have given him 48 hours if it was my daughter. The 2nd Amendment and I would have discussed the situation with that rapist, and it would only have taken a few seconds for him to get the message.
Oh come on. I was a 13yo in the ‘70s. For an old guy to drug and rape a 13yo was no more acceptable then than it is now.
What might have been different was people still married younger, the drinking age was 18, and the voting age had just been lowered to 18—so adulthood was seen to develop around then, not closer to 30 as in today.
Polanski served 42 days while undergoing psychiatric evelauation. The prosecution was fine with him being sentenced to time served (somewhat fishy deal for the wealthy and poweful), but the judge wasn’t going along with it, so Polanski fled. Think he was expecting to get a few year or something. Don’t know what the maximum for statutory rape was.
i can tell you for a fact that, back then, a 13 year old kid was far less mature than the 13 year olds of today.
It was wrong then and it’s wrong now. When it happened, people were appalled, but society was still reeling from all the awful things that had happened in the 60s. It was considered another sign of how depraved our society was becoming. The slogan at the time? “God is dead.” Everyone had the feeling we were heading off in a new, uncharted direction with no compass (faith) to guide us. It was a very sad time for Americans- and many saw this particular depravity as a reaction to the horror of the Manson murders. They figured Polanski had gone off his rocker.
“Manners, mores and law enforcement have become far less forgiving of sex crimes involving minors in the 31 years since Mr. Polanski was charged with both rape and sodomy involving drugs. He fled rather than face what was to have been a 48-day sentence after he pleaded guilty to unlawful sex with a minor.”
They write this as if it is a bad thing. As if we’ve all become boring squares for wanting his head. In the seventies, if a man bonked an underage girl, the father would have dragged the culprit off, shot him, and then the law would have thanked him.
The real problem is that we coddle the criminals now instead of the outraged family member of the victim. I am so sickened that Monica Bellucci signed. “The Passion” is a fantastic film and excellent cinema.
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