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Steep Losses Pose Crisis for Pensions (public employee pension fund in panic)
WP ^ | 10/11/09 | David Cho

Posted on 10/11/2009 8:08:43 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Steep Losses Pose Crisis for Pensions

Two Bad Choices for Funds: Cut Benefits Or Take Greater Risks to Rebuild Assets

By David Cho

Washington Post Staff Writer

Sunday, October 11, 2009

The financial crisis has blown a hole in the rosy forecasts of pension funds that cover teachers, police officers and other government employees, casting into doubt as never before whether these public systems will be able to keep their promises to future generations of retirees.

The upheaval on Wall Street has deluged public pension systems with losses that government officials and consultants increasingly say are insurmountable unless pension managers fundamentally rethink how they pay out benefits or make money or both.

Within 15 years, public systems on average will have less half the money they need to pay pension benefits, according to an analysis by Pricewaterhouse Coopers. Other analysts say funding levels could hit that low within a decade.

After losing about $1 trillion in the markets, state and local governments are facing a devil's choice: Either slash retirement benefits or pursue high-return investments that come with high risk.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: pensionfund; pensions; publicemployee; retirement
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Two Bad Choices for Funds: Cut Benefits Or Take Greater Risks to Rebuild Assets

He should have said 'One Good, One Bad Choice.'

1 posted on 10/11/2009 8:08:43 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; PAR35; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; happygrl; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/11/2009 8:09:12 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Voted for Obama, bad choice.


3 posted on 10/11/2009 8:09:27 AM PDT by Tarpon (Oba-Mao is a reader, not a leader ...)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Not to worry. O, (taxpayers) to the rescue.


4 posted on 10/11/2009 8:10:59 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Carley

Trying to keep up with the defined benefit plans for highly paid public employees is going to bankrupt cities, counties and states. It already has. Then you add their health care on top..
They need to shift to a defined contribution plan immediately. Let the unions strike. The citizen’s need to demand action.


5 posted on 10/11/2009 8:13:16 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I think they (public employee pension funds) can legally ream out the taxpayer
In other words the taxpayers are on the hook for these insane pensions and benefits unless there is ....

BANKRUPTCY
Only then can public sector contracts be revisited


6 posted on 10/11/2009 8:16:25 AM PDT by dennisw (Ir's not the Wheel, It's the Carousel)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
In Ohio, for instance, the teachers pension system reported that it would take 41 years for its investments to catch up with the costs of meeting its obligations to retirees. That was before the worst of the financial crisis.

During the last fiscal year, Ohio's fund lost 31 percent. Its most recent annual report detailed how long it would now take for its investments to put the fund back on track. Officials simply said: "Infinity."

I think it is a strong possibility that the government and the fed have been propping up the stock market to support the pension funds. They can either pay to keep the market up, or they can pay to bail out pension funds. This is also how the expanded money supply will be forced into circulation, with resulting inflation.

7 posted on 10/11/2009 8:19:05 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Oldexpat

Given public sector employees want to be paid the same level of compensation as private sector employees (without the risk of market competition which previously allowed them to be paid less given job security and guaranteed pensions at the cost to taxpayers)I say let them join the rest of us “at risk” employees so they better understand who creates the wealth they tax and live comfortably off in the first place. To he$$ with public employee largesse; the free ride is over. Taxpayers unite and fight!


8 posted on 10/11/2009 8:19:15 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Recipients of state pension checks in Massachusetts do very,*very* well for themselves.Their unions have,for years,had a “symbiotic” (some would say breathtakingly incestuous)relationship with the RATS who have run this state.Cutting the amount of the typical state pension check by 20% (or more) would be an outstanding thing,IMO.
9 posted on 10/11/2009 8:25:20 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Oldexpat

Now the idiots want to end 401K plans. There is no segment of our society that they don’t want to destroy.

They are making the former soviet union seem a desirable alternative to Obamaland.

It’s sickening, terrifying, and seemingly unstoppable.....at this time.


10 posted on 10/11/2009 8:34:10 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“.....some funds are seeking to trim benefits to conserve money. Some governments have also proposed increasing the amount of public money paid each year into the funds”

....there’ll be no “trimming”....but rather “increasing” tax dollars paid into the funds....around the time of LBJ the size of governments at all levels began to grow....and all those employees represented a powerful voting bloc...the Dems will give them whatever it takes to have them voting a straight Democrat ticket.


11 posted on 10/11/2009 8:35:58 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Carley

What would go in its place? No savings for workers in private enterprise?


12 posted on 10/11/2009 8:37:20 AM PDT by Achilles Heel
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Some pension funds are also continuing to engage in other investment practices that got them in trouble during the crisis. One such trading technique is called securities lending.

They're doubling down. Gambling, not investing. Excellent article (despite coming from WP). Thanks for posting.

13 posted on 10/11/2009 8:37:35 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Reason Magazine: The Next Catastrophe: Think Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were a politicized financial disaster? Just wait until pension funds implode.
14 posted on 10/11/2009 8:44:55 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: john drake

Salaries for feds in the DC area are typically in the six figures (mid-level grade 13 and up which are quite common for “professional jobs”). Job security is near absolute, leave and holidays are exceedingly generous, and retirement is lucrative.


15 posted on 10/11/2009 8:45:58 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: Oldexpat

And meanwhile, we self employed persons continue to count or pennies, continue to work, continue to pay taxes to fund retirements and wages for others that we can’t attain or afford.

How stupid is this?

Try to get even one in ten of teachers, cops, firemen, “public servants” or any other person with a pension to understand the present value of their benefit provided on the back of the taxpayer. Try to get even one of them to admit or even begin to understand that there is no way that their pension contributions could ever pay for their benefits ...they feel they are entitled and are too stupid to know the difference. Yes, stupid.


16 posted on 10/11/2009 9:06:15 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: Achilles Heel

He simply drops these ideas out there and waits to see if it is met with serious resistance.

He never divulges his true plans.

The one comment I recall is that 401ks would be replaced by government controlled retirement funds.


17 posted on 10/11/2009 9:06:37 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Starboard

AVERAGE federal employee compensation = $75,000 / year with LUSH and generous benefits and paid up pension and medical. All but guaranteed employment.

AVERAGE US family household income in private sector = $54,000 no or some benefits but not like public sector ...nowhere near close. Mostly 401K retirements or none at all. All but guaranteed layoffs and unemployment periods.

ANYBODY got any idea what is wrong with this picture? ANYBODY?


18 posted on 10/11/2009 9:12:33 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This will get much worse by next year. It will be interesting to see if the leftist retirees in the NEA and other GOVERNMENT-related unions will actually start the revolution.


19 posted on 10/11/2009 9:27:40 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Tarpon

Tain’t Obama’s fault. If you and others blame everything on Obama you will never address the real problems. Obama is being turned into the whipping boy for Wall Street, idiot libertarians, Greenspan, Phil Gramm, Bush, Clinton, Summers, Rubin, etc.

This economic mess has been in the making for years. Let’s please just spank Obama for the bad stuff he does, like “crap and played” and sitting on his *ss about Afghanistan, etc.

parsy, who is waiting for King Obama to be blamed for the Hindenburg blowing up


20 posted on 10/11/2009 9:31:23 AM PDT by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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