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To: Captain Kirk
I think it WAS evil to drop the bombs

The pre planning for the invasion of Japan estimated 20,000 US casualties.

Truman's decision to drop the two atomic weapons was largely based on this information.

A necessary evil at best.

16 posted on 10/11/2009 10:07:52 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (This country elected an empty suit, an absolute economic illiterate!!!)
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To: Focault's Pendulum
The pre planning for the invasion of Japan estimated 20,000 US casualties.

Since there were more casualties than that in some of the invasions of outlying Japanese Islands, I don't think this can be correct.

17 posted on 10/11/2009 10:14:20 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Focault's Pendulum; Captain Kirk

20,000 US casualties, and who knows how many Japanese?

The morality of whether to drop the A-bombs or not is something we agonise over now, but it was an irrelevent argument at the time. After six years of war, and millions upon millions of casualties, the world was traumatised and innured to suffering.


21 posted on 10/11/2009 10:29:57 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Focault's Pendulum
The pre planning for the invasion of Japan estimated 20,000 US casualties.

Truman's decision to drop the two atomic weapons was largely based on this information.

Truman was not locked into this false dichotmy. There was always a third choice: a conditional surrender. The chief sticking point from beginning to end was the Japanese insistence that they keep the emperor. Prior to the dropping of the bombs, however, the Truman administration summarily rejected pursuing that option. Even after the dropping of the second bomb, the Japanese STILL insisted on this condition.

Finally after Nagaskaki, Truman overrode his bitter end New Deal advisors who wanted an unconditional surrender, and agreed to accept the Japanese condition. Thus the final surrender was NOT unconditional. Had he pursued the option of a conditional at the beginning, he could have avoided both the mass slaughter of innocents AND an invasion.

Even if we assume that you are right, however, dropping the bombs would still be evil. Under the long established rules of war it is immoral to INTENTIONALLY target babies, little old ladies, and other non-combatants. Collateral damange is unavoidable but intentional targeting is beyond the rules of war. If an enemy did it to us or our allies during war. we would not hesitate to later prosecute them for war crimes.

As a sidelight, let me point out the Nagasaki was the heart of traditional Japanese Christianity. The Christians had held on to their faith despite tremdendous pressure for hundreds of years....only to be slaughtered by fellow Christians.

22 posted on 10/11/2009 10:30:58 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Focault's Pendulum
“The pre planning for the invasion of Japan estimated 20,000 US casualties.

I will double check, but I think that is way off to the low side.
I thought the number was in the 100’s of thousands just on our side.

31 posted on 10/11/2009 10:45:43 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just say no to Soylent Green health care)
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