Skip to comments.Itís a Fork, Itís a Spoon, Itís a ... Weapon?
Posted on 10/12/2009 5:54:24 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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Adding to my last comment: My own child was pushed out of preschool by the school principal. That’s why we started homeschooling. Otherwise, we would’ve never considered it. So, in a way, that piece of scum principal did us a favor.
FTR, my son was a nice boy; he still is. Long story. I’ll be telling more below to someone else.
It is unfortunately the case that a great number of people in positions of authority have their heads stuck so far and so firmly up their butts that they’ll never get them out. This is a perfect example.
Marx and Engels Communist Manifesto was published in 1848. Connection??
However, I was in public schools from 1944 - 1960 and they taught American patriotism and Christian values as well as the three Rs, American and World history, etc. It wasn't until later, around the early '60s IIRC, that things started changing.
Bingo. It's all about job security. If another child were hurt by the knife - even ACCIDENTALLY - people would complain that the school should've taken the knife away. So, even though I homeschool and have had my own dealings with the school system that were negative, I understand why the policy of "no knives" is in place.
Meanwhile, even a pencil or pen could be used as a weapon. But, if another child were hurt with a pencil or pen, people would never think to ban pencils and pens from school. (Though I wouldn't rule it out in the future.) But, an accident with a "knife" - even just a pocketknife - elicits a whole different response. So, I could understand the school taking a pocketknife away from a child, for example.
STILL, 45 days in reform school for a six year old bringing a spork to school is utterly ridiculous.
You were being taught by people who were the age of my parents. These people still had parents and grandparents who literally lived the pioneer experience of hacking a civilization out of the wilderness. The goal of the earliest education activists in the mid-1800s ( and other education leaders of the early 20th century until Bill Ayer, today) was to eliminate this influence. They have and are succeeding.
Then there is the socialist object lesson that **all** children who have from the very beginning of government schools have experienced. ALL children who have ever attended government schools learn ( simply by attending) that government has the power to take from the neighbor to pay for a service their parents want for FREE!
If children are trained to be comfortable with taking money from their neighbor for education, then why not social security, health care, prescription drugs, New Deals, Great Societies, college tuition, free transportation, ...even free entertainment?
The liberal/feminist goal is to squash every size of male that has potential and give them a permanent record for their future.
I can’t read the rest of the article because I refuse to sign up for the NYT. But, it makes sense to me that a school cannot take a knife from one 6yo child but let another keep one. If nothing else, that would cause trouble between the students themselves.
45 days for a 6yo with a pocketknife is ABSURD. But, I could understand if the school had merely taken it away and held it aside for him.
But, this school did this child a favor. The mother should continue homeschooling. We started homeschooling when the local public school kicked our eldest child at age 4 out of its optional preschool program. He always was a good boy - the teacher’s pet, in fact. But, he was sick for a week, and our car had broken down, so I couldn’t bring him everyday. The principal threatened me with truancy charges if I didn’t remove him from the program.
Obviously, the school didn’t have a zero tolerance policy because another parent with a child in the same class told me her child had missed even more days, and she said she knew a lot of parents who didn’t take their children to preschool everyday. She said, “It’s OPTIONAL.” But, she also said she was active in the PTA and the principal would’ve never tried that with her. She said, “There are a lot of politics going on at the school.”
So, I can understand the reasons behind “zero tolerance” policies. If what one child does is an “infraction”, other children doing the same thing should receive the same “penalties” if there are any. But, again, this particular penalty - 45 days for ANY 6yo child - is ridiculous. I don’t care what kind of family the child is from. Even a 6yo child living with a neglectful, abusive, drug addicted parent shouldn’t be sentenced to reform school, either; instead, he should be placed with a good family, if the situation is that bad.
She was not amused, but the rest of the table howled in laughter.
I don’t think so. I get the feeling the only district school he’s welcome at until he’s completed 45 days there is the “reform school”, and that she’s homeschooling him as a way of temporarily withdrawing him from the district entirely until she gets the reform school edict reversed.
I remember when I was in junior high school, around 1950, their was contest to sell magazines. I sold enough to get a hunting knife which I received at school. I carried it around school all day and showed it off to my buddies. No problems from anybody including teachers.
That was my impression, too. I hope the parents decide to continue homeschooling.
We had no intentions of homeschooling, either, before we had a negative experience with the public school. I hope this will be this family’s wake up call.
Is this a spork control law or a slap at the homophobic Boy Scouts?
She tried going back to regular school in seventh grade. She'd been out of public school for long enough that they gave her placement tests to see what level classes to put her in and she did above average in all areas and aced about half of them. So then she goes to the school and every day they have to get each teacher to sign some log they have to certify they at least tried each problem on the homework. If not, they got detention. Often the teacher was so busy, it was difficult to get her to sign. If it was forgotten or she never had time during the class, detention. They had to grade each others papers and if they used the wrong color pen, detention.
It was like they were TRYING to frustrate the kids, especially the intelligent creative ones. I'm sure they would discipline a kid that stood up and called the teacher a "MFing whore bitch" or something, but I'm sure the punishment would have been...detention. So the upshot is that the school is saying that kind of blatant anti-social disrespectful outburst is morally equivalent to grading in the wrong color pen or having a teacher too busy to sign your book. Morons. She never went back to conventional public school.
Heh - at least you were able to refrain from informing her that you still had your ‘gun’. :-)
Zero tolerance simply means, I am the government and I cannot ever think rationally for fear I will offend some minority, because he thinks he is being treated differently. So there you have it, a punk brings a switchblade to school, and I punish him. So to be fair to the punk, I must say all knives are bad, even the ones that are not and punish everyone else. Now that is fairness isn’t it? I am the government and I understand fairness, you are too stupid to.
When I was in high school in the sixties, I was taking a speech class that required us to do a speech using visual aids. One of the guys decided to do his speech on his shotgun. Nobody batted an eye or cared at all.
All is not hopeless. Last spring my daughter’s middle school put on the musical Oklahoma—guns and all.
“Still, some school administrators argue that it is DIFFICULT to distinguish innocent pranks and mistakes from more serious threats, and that the policies must be strict to protect students.”
This says it all right here! Zero tolerance requires zero common sense.
I'm with the school on this one...that kid could turn out to be a cereal killer!
Like scissors which the schools have in every classroom. LOL!
It had a knife on it as well. I noticed that no one else answered your question. Funny comments though!
When they outlaw homeschools, only outlaws will have homeschool! ;)
Well, at least he actually DID SOMETHING to earn his prize.
Or a math murderer.
Walking through Tampa airpot once. I was past security and near the gates, in a gift/souvenir shop, and noticed a coffee mug. A ceramic coffee mug, next to a glass beer mug. I started looking around the store, to see what else an evil minded person could use.
But hey, they've checked an 85 year old womans shoes to make sure she's not carrying a nail file.
Just think, if someone did start shooting in the restaurant...your SIL would’ve made a good shield.
Thats what insurance policies are in place for.
Decades later I still have the tip of one embedded in my leg.
Eh, that still feeds the ‘frivolous lawsuit’ beast, though.
they can have my spork when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers
FGS, this country has gone mad and I’m so fed up with it.
He drove his mother's truck home; found an old ratty pair of hand-me-down turquois courdoroy pants and had to run to catch up to the rest of the grads already marching to the field. And they still tried to stop him from participating.... "because he was late!!!"
Good thing he didnt have a No. 2 pencil. Those are deadly in the right hands. :)
Apparently they are, I once had the unpleasant experience of being introduced to a skinny little guy who had done time in prison and he solemnly assured me that he could kill any man with a sharpened wooden pencil or a ball point pen. Ever seen the movie “Casino”?
This “zero tolerance” crap really is ridiculous. I’ll bet they have no objection to students wearing leather belts even though they are perfect for strangling someone but if a kid came in with his pants held up by a piece of rope they would freak out.
Ever seen the movie Casino?
Or the latest Batman?
What an asshat. I hope he’s managing a McDonalds somewhere today.
I do, too. Right knee. My stupid little sister. ;)
Oh, you betcha! One stab in the eye, they other up the nose...scrambled brains, to put it nicely.
It really is stupid. These things happen every few months here in ‘The People’s Republik of Madistan’ a ‘gun free’ zone. Well, except for the criminal element. For some reason, THEY always seem to have the guns and the innocent victims aren’t allowed to carry so much as a can of pepper spray!
Stupid socialist aging hippies running this town!
That's because the whole "disarmn the criminals" (ex-cons used to have their 2nd Amendment rights restored) was really just a ploy to weaken everyone's rights in order to take them away.
How hard a guess would it have been to figure out that the habitual criminal wouldn't obey the lawy and get his hands on guns, while the guy who wants to go straight (or who just made a mistake) would stay away?
And gee, the disarming wasn't just of those who'd used guns in committing their crime, or of violent offenders in general, but of all ex-cons. What's the reasoning behind that?
And since it was obviously going to be a problem to keep guns out of habitual criminals' hands, that meant there were going to have to be ever more draconian measures leveled against the average citizen.
To the point where the only ones who have guns are the habitual criminals.
Now I may have exaggerated the planning behind this, but surely the path forward could have been rather easily seen.
But the public buys it all, even today, hook, line and sinker, and so we have to pay the price for our collective stupidity.
Look to what's being done to the hated and despised to see where your own rights are being eroded.
A winner every single time for the self-styled elites who want to own you: "When they came for...., I did nothing, for I was not..."
America -- a great idea, didn't last.
It does sound like they were trying to frustrate your daughter and the other students. Good thing you decided to homeschool again. :-)
I know a woman whose shy, quiet daughter was assaulted in middle school by another student (a boy). She never saw it coming; he attacked her from behind. When asked why, he said he “just felt like it.” The principal didn’t want to involve the police, so the parents called the police. One of the parents worked at the school, and the principal was mad at them for calling the police. It was crazy. If anyone should be punished, a student who assaults another that way should be punished. I don’t know if the boy ever was disciplined.
When they pulled their daughter out to homeschool, the teachers were mad at them. Go figure. The mother came to our homeschool meetings and, of course, there were a bunch of us there who’d had bad experiences with schools. ;-) There also were some former teachers homeschooling their own children. One woman’s son was ill and had learning disabilities, and he’d been assaulted at school again and again. The kids assaulting other kids are the ones who need punishment. Not the kids using the wrong color pens or whose teachers were too busy to sign their work!
I'd be OK with that so long as the punishment is simulated instead of real, too.
No doubt. Now she's well adjusted, hard working and organized, and still as smart and creative as ever. No way she'd fit in there. ;-)
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LOL. I never saw that movie, but based on that one scene, yes, it does sound like your daughter was trapped in the educational version of that fictional company. ;-) Good thing she escaped. Too bad for the other students, though. I wonder if any of them now have an obsession with pen ink colors, or if they’re rebelling now by using different colors of ink. ;-)
“That’s because the whole ‘disarmn the criminals’ (ex-cons used to have their 2nd Amendment rights restored) was really just a ploy to weaken everyone’s rights in order to take them away.”
Ya think? Of course it is. Anything that infringes upon our personal and property rights is un-Constitutional. That’s why the LibTards have worked so hard for 50 yers to capture the education system, the courts, the media, etc.
They’re evil. And they’re patient.
I saw that show. Prisoners are really resourceful.
Although government schools are funded by tax funds, when I was attending it was from local and state funds. Public schools through high school were funded with property taxes. The federal government played no part, with the possible exception of ROTC where the military provided some equipment, uniforms, and military instructors. Although the state colleges and universities were usually larger, most colleges and universities were sponsored and funded by churches, foundations and tuition.
The problem intensified with the creation of the Department of Education and the infusion of federal funds into schools for school lunch programs. That was the jumping off point for many other federally funded programs. Any school receiving funds for school lunches had to accept federal “assistance” for the other intrusions or lose their entire federal funding.
Actually he isn’t old enough to even be a Cub Scout ( let alone a Boy Scout). At six he would be a Tiger Scout.