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Itís a Fork, Itís a Spoon, Itís a ... Weapon?
New York Times ^ | October 11, 2009 | Ian Urbina

Posted on 10/12/2009 5:54:24 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: Joe 6-pack

>>The designer won the Nobel Peas Prize!

ROFLMAO


51 posted on 10/12/2009 6:49:46 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: reaganaut1
"Zero tolerance" is sheer unadulterated BS, and any "educator" who uses it should be fired.

ANYTHING can be a weapon. When I was in third grade, I was a real bookworm (still am, for that matter), and brought books from home to read in off time. One of the other kids was giving me unmitigated hell about it, so I took the book and whacked him upside the head. He "did" quit bothering me, and the book survived the incident.

Are they not gonna give the kids schoolbooks anymore???

52 posted on 10/12/2009 6:53:32 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: Hegemony Cricket
The really dumb-funny thing about all these stories is that the stupid zero-tolerance liberals involved have such a narrow paradigm about what a weapon is that they totally disregard thousands of items around them that could easily be used to maim or kill...

The worst ass-whuppin I ever took was when my martial arts instructor taught a class on improvised weapons. He rolled up a one-subject spiral bound notebook real tight and commenced to whup me up one side and down the other.

It's a lesson I never have forgotten - there are no dangerous weapons. There are only dangerous people.

53 posted on 10/12/2009 6:58:38 AM PDT by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: 2Jedismom; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; AlmaKing; AngieGal; Antoninus; ...

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54 posted on 10/12/2009 7:03:04 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: HapaxLegamenon
I suppose pencils and pens could be used as weapons too. I wonder if they are banned as well.

Might as well ban hands and feet while you're at it...

55 posted on 10/12/2009 7:03:54 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: reaganaut1

Yeah, those sporks are a major danger.


56 posted on 10/12/2009 7:07:23 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

In junior high, I was constantly hailed by this little twerp named Carl. He was the leader of a bunch of bigger thigs, so I was always on the losing end of every fight.

The art teacher made us bring in cheese graters to grate wax to make candles. On the last day of that project, i had the four sided stainless steel behemoth cheese grater in my hands on the way to the locker.

Carl made a crucial error. He confronted me alone. I found that the cheese grater also did a fine job as a skin grater. Surprisingly, Carl never bothered me again.


57 posted on 10/12/2009 7:08:46 AM PDT by cyclotic (Boy Scouts-Developing Leaders in a World of Followers.)
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To: sitetest
Google images sometimes turns up some surprises:

58 posted on 10/12/2009 7:10:45 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

Yes, that was just sloppy writing — zero-tolerance policies have been around for years, and contribute to the problems at Columbine and VT, first because of the anti-gun rules which keep people from defending themselves, but moreso that the zero-tolerance policies keep children from learning how to behave themselves, so when they get into less structured environments they easily act out in violent ways.


59 posted on 10/12/2009 7:11:38 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: reaganaut1
Is fish paste considered to be a WMD down there in Delaware?
60 posted on 10/12/2009 7:13:08 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Iron Munro

And if there was a kid who would knife another kid in the eye, I bet they are carrying a knife every day, but concealed so they don’t get caught.

It’s not going to be the spork brought in by the cub scout.

When I was in 6th grade, a couple of the black girls they had bussed into our school for integration got into a fight, and one of them stabbed the other in the shoulder with a metal fork.

Things happen. You can’t really stop them. Remember that when the black kids beat up the white kid on the school bus, they didn’t have weapons, and they still nearly killed the kid.


61 posted on 10/12/2009 7:14:21 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: stinkerpot65
The principle who suspended this kid is the fat little toad third from the left. She apparently has no problem finding her own fork.

Looks to me as if she'd prefer a shovel over a fork.

62 posted on 10/12/2009 7:14:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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To: Abathar

They allow kids to drive to school, but there was just a story where an honor student was getting expelled because he accidentally left a small knife in his car locked in the parking lot.

Of course, he could kill someone with the car a lot easier than he could kill someone with the knife; and he wasn’t going to kill anybody because he was an upstanding eagle scout honor student.

Just the kind of kid we need to punish these days, so the hoodlums don’t feel like they are discriminated against.


63 posted on 10/12/2009 7:17:18 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Iron Munro

Nowadays if you need to build an emergency shelter, you are supposed to call 911 and let the police do it for you. :-)


64 posted on 10/12/2009 7:18:00 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Wonder Warthog

Just remember — no teacher is going to be fired for reporting a student who has a metal utensil.

But people will lose their jobs if a kid kills another kid.

So all the incentives are to adopt MORE of these policies, to keep people safe in their jobs.

It’s the same reason child protective services almost always take kids away from loving parents and put them in temporary foster care or group homes. It is bad for the kids, but they won’t get fired for it, while they WILL get fired if they leave one kid with a parent who ends up harming the kid.


65 posted on 10/12/2009 7:20:34 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Wiz

“Next banned weapons: Scissors, rocks, and even sharped edge papers.”

And no more games of paper, rock, scissors either!


66 posted on 10/12/2009 7:23:58 AM PDT by green pastures
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To: reg45

Add to the mix the appropriate drugs to get the kids in the appropriate passive zombie state. Ban pencils and pens as well, since those could be weapons. No student should have writing instruments more advanced than a jumbo crayon.

Of course this does not apply to certain private schools where the elites send their children. The same elites that oppose school choice for the plebian masses.


67 posted on 10/12/2009 7:25:10 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Looking at this logically just gives me a headache, it really does. This weekend was out homecoming, my daughter went to the game and then she and her "boyfriend" {*shudder*} went to the dance afterwords. They bought the tickets the week before and had them in their hands, when they tried to walk in they were asked to show their student ID's. No one knew anything about having to have them, not a single person there was told it was required. The guy at the door was her teacher and soccer coach and still refused to let anyone in without ID, and not a single person there was told of this policy before, all of us parents were furious. It's crap like this that is getting worse and worse, no one seems to have any common sense anymore.
68 posted on 10/12/2009 7:27:13 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: reaganaut1
and Zachary now faces 45 days in the district’s reform school.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This boy is a little Tiger Cub, for heaven's sake!

Honestly, Ayn Rand couldn't think this stuff up. Geeze! And the people who sentenced this 6 year old to 45 days in their school prison will earn 6 figure retirement packages.

I bet, I bet, I bet this little boy is white.

69 posted on 10/12/2009 7:28:12 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Good thing he didn’t have a No. 2 pencil. Those are deadly in the right hands. :)”

Certainly can be.

Hopefully, while at the reform school for his 45 days, he will be assigned key chapters to read from some practical, experience-based books like “Prison’s Bloody Iron” by Harold Jenks and Michael Brown, “Put ‘Em Down, Take ‘Em Out!: Knife Fighting Techniques from Folsom Prison” by Don Pentecost, and “Knives, Knife Fighting, & Related Hassles” by Marc MacYoung.

The first author of the first book, BTW, learned most of his knowledge early in his criminal career during a year and a half at the National Training School, the federal reform school in DC.

Good stuff to know WTSHTF. As the Scouts taught me: Be Prepared!


70 posted on 10/12/2009 7:28:19 AM PDT by dagogo redux
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To: MrB
Because it was WRONG. The perp would be perpetually isolated from EVERYONE else for pulling such and egregious breach of decency.

Yes, and for kicking their opponent also. Kicking was "fighting dirty" and frowned upon by most boys. I am not talking about the inner city schools however, that even in the 50s had problems with gangs and violence, although back then kids could quit school at a early age and most gang bangers were not in school.

I grew up in Bell Gardens(in LA, near Compton et al), or at least partially grew up there, and it was bad in the 50s but is worse now. Back then all the mean kids were not in school, they had either been kicked out or quit. You had to deal with them out of school but not while in school.

School officials at that time dealt with violence without fear of retaliation from lawsuits and other such garbage and most parents supported them.

Pocket knives were as plentiful as leaves on trees, every boy had one and I never once saw a knifing or any other weapon used on a kid in school.

Luckily my parents moved us out of their by the time I was 10 and moved up to a great part of CA, the North. Now, even that is being ruined by the liberal fungus which has gotten a foothold on the feet of America and threatens to spread to the whole body.

71 posted on 10/12/2009 7:30:51 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Good thing he didn’t have a No. 2 pencil. Those are deadly in the right hands. :)

As a matter of fact I have two spots on my right hand where graphite is still embedded from accidents with newly sharpened #2 pencils about 50 years ago. :-)

Education experts say that zero-tolerance policies initially allowed authorities more leeway in punishing student ... s

There is the problem - Education Experts! How can Zero Tolerance be interpreted as giving more leeway in punishment? Zero tolerance means what it says in the regular world, the opposite in the Orwellian world of the Left.

More unintended consequences? Yeah, right!

72 posted on 10/12/2009 7:35:54 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Sloth

>>I’m glad to see that Dolores Umbridge is still able to find work...<<

You absolutely rock to the Highest Order!!!!!


73 posted on 10/12/2009 7:37:20 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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74 posted on 10/12/2009 7:43:22 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Iron Munro
and return our schools to control of dedicated, well balanced, teachers whose only agenda is to teach children instead of indoctrinating them with leftist dogma.
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Government schools were **never** in the control of well balanced people. The leadership driving and promoting government education has **always** been leftist!

The first activists and education leaders in the mid-1800s pushing the idea of government schools were radical socialists! The goal then of the leading education intellectuals (those with the real power), was and always has been, to turn Americans into compliant workers for the fascist state. They have succeeded in and are continuing to succeed admirably in that goal!

The only way to do that is to get government **completely** out of education on every level!

It is impossible to have a religiously, culturally, and politically neutral education. Even if school districts were the size of a few city blocks or a suburban subdivision the voting mob would be indoctrinating other people's children with their anointed worldview and using the government to force their neighbor to pay for it.

Also...ALL government schools teach socialism! ALL of them. Just by attending the child learns ( every day) that the government can use the threat of force to take from their neighbor to pay for something their parents want for free. It is my belief that we have the IRS, social security, FDR's New Deal, Johnson's Great Society, etc. precisely because one to three generations of Americans, simply by attending government school every day, had learned to be comfortable taking money from their neighbor.

It amazes me how limited conservatives are when viewing government schools. They consistently fail to see that government schools ARE SOCIALISM! SOCiALSIM CAN NOT BE FIXED!

Yes, I am shouting. I am exasperated with my fellow conservatives that somehow believe that government schools can be reformed if only the unions were eliminated or they were somehow more local. Again! Government schools are socialism. Socialism can not be fixed!

Government schools are **not** broken. They are working **exactly** as planned! If we want reform we must get rid of them and move to a completely private system of universal K-12 education.

75 posted on 10/12/2009 7:50:15 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: reaganaut1

I STRONGLY SUPPORT ZERO TOLERANCE OF LIBERALS.


76 posted on 10/12/2009 7:52:24 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: SandRat; reaganaut1

Renegade Cub Scout Alert!


77 posted on 10/12/2009 7:53:43 AM PDT by SmithL (The Golden State demands all of your gold)
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To: Wiz

Would this mean that playing ‘paper-rock-scissors’ could be punished because it is simulates prohibited behavior? Just askin’, is all...I’ve got my lawyer hat on this morning.


78 posted on 10/12/2009 7:55:30 AM PDT by Clioman
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To: reaganaut1

The school systems are afraid of lawsuits. They are just trying to stop them preemptively. Don’t be so quick to call them stupid. The only thing that I see as stupid is that the schools are put in this position by a court system that will allow these things to happen. An ACLU suit could potentially bankrupt YOUR local school.


79 posted on 10/12/2009 8:02:44 AM PDT by 1raider1
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To: Wiz

well yeah, you could smother a rock with the paper. Both are dangerous!!!


80 posted on 10/12/2009 8:02:45 AM PDT by ronniesgal (I have done next to nothing all year, too. Where is MY peace prize?)
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To: massgopguy

Do you think they might even have SHARP KNIVES in the teachers’ lounge? Good grief!


81 posted on 10/12/2009 8:03:26 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: MrB

but you can also call all the school administrators

COWARDS

for not having the guts to say that a cubscout from a responsible family with a camping knife/utensil

is DIFFERENT

from the kid of a crackho with no father bringing a knife to school to “cut some cracka”.

EXACTLY! And that worked when America had common sense and a consensus on what constituted appropriate and inappropriate social behavior. This was destroyed in large part by Communist infiltration of our education system at all levels.


82 posted on 10/12/2009 8:03:53 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
More unintended consequences? Yeah, right!
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Exactly! Government schools are working exactly as intended from their beginnings in the mid-1800s.

83 posted on 10/12/2009 8:06:43 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: reaganaut1
But the question on the minds of residents here is: Why do school officials not have more discretion in such cases?

Where have the residents been, living in a cave? For the past 70 years the atheistic socialist agenda has been being implemented...the fact that schools officials have no discretion is absolutely nothing new.

The Socialist Vision and Global Connections of the NEA
http://www.crossroad.to/Excerpts/chronologies/nea.htm

84 posted on 10/12/2009 8:10:47 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Wiz
And when everything is a weapon, everything will be banned!!!

No School Supplies for you!!!!


85 posted on 10/12/2009 8:17:44 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SmithL

Renegade School/NEA/ACLU types is more like it.


86 posted on 10/12/2009 8:24:56 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: 1raider1
Well, then you shut down the local school district/file bankruptcy as soon as a verdict (with corresponding monetary award) is reached.

As the district is ‘now’ bankrupt, no monies can be parceled out to pay the claim.

Then reincorporate the school district as a ‘new’ district with no association with the ‘bad’ old district... and rehire all the teachers and administrators.

See, lawsuit problem solved!

And as a future benefit, people will be less likely to sue, now that precedence is set. (ie - no money even if you win)

87 posted on 10/12/2009 8:29:08 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Terabitten; Hegemony Cricket
the stupid zero-tolerance liberals involved have such a narrow paradigm about what a weapon is that they totally disregard thousands of items around them that could easily be used to maim or kill...

I just never mention this. It's too obvious. I'd rather they remain ignorant.

88 posted on 10/12/2009 8:35:58 AM PDT by no-s (B.L.O.A.T. everyday...because someday soon they won't be making any more...for you.)
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To: Nervous Tick

It comes apart into three parts.


89 posted on 10/12/2009 8:37:58 AM PDT by opbuzz (Right way, wrong way, Marine way)
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To: reaganaut1
This passage was used twice, almost verbatim:
Education experts say that zero-tolerance policies initially allowed authorities more leeway in punishing students, but were applied in a discriminatory fashion. Many studies indicate that African-Americans were several times more likely to be suspended or expelled than other students for the same offenses.

“The result of those studies is that more school districts have removed discretion in applying the disciplinary policies to avoid criticism of being biased,”

To make matters worse, it was used once as a quote and once (the first time) it was used in the body of the article, as if the article writer had written it.

Guess that's what happens when the Old Gray Slut trades in her editors for political officers.

90 posted on 10/12/2009 8:38:35 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: reg45
If we take slop, run it through a blender, and serve it to the kids in a paper cup (without a straw - which could be used to poke someone’s eye out) perhaps that would pass the zero tolerance test.

That's an excellent idea. It makes it much more convenient to include their Ritalin and drugs that will make them susceptible to suggestion. Then, once they're in the proper frame of mind, we can finally show them why the state is their only true, loving, and wise parent. By high school, they'd take the swill if they DID know what was in it.

91 posted on 10/12/2009 8:46:56 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: reg45

It’s still parallel. It’s just that the one they’re not running is the better of the two.


92 posted on 10/12/2009 8:49:46 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: cyclotic

Creepy, yet amusing.


93 posted on 10/12/2009 8:54:38 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Excellence must not be tolerated. Everyone must be held back, ignored or pushed forward as needed till everyone is exactly the same shade of dull gray-brown. "Collectivism: We may all be miserable, but we're all miserable to exactly the SAME degree!" Reminds me of Camazotz, the planet in Medeleine L'Engle's kids book Wrinkle in Time. Come to think of it, Obama reminds me of the malevolent brain-thing that ruled the planet.
94 posted on 10/12/2009 9:02:38 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Durus

Excellent! That would make a good tag line!


95 posted on 10/12/2009 9:04:31 AM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (GOP: Stop listening, start doing -- we need new leaders!)
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To: stinkerpot65
These NEA "educators" who probably all voted for Obama obviously are delighting in this 6 year-old's banishment to their "reform school" but will not say a word when his Justice Department will protect Roman Polanski who used a tool of a different sort to rape a child.

Leni

96 posted on 10/12/2009 9:11:43 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Somewhere in Kenya, a Village is Missing Its Idiot!)
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To: reaganaut1
Finding character witnesses when you are 6 years old is not easy.

Finding credit references is even harder.

97 posted on 10/12/2009 9:15:03 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, O'Riley! I'd rather be a CRACKER than a CASPAR.)
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To: massgopguy
How do people eat at this school? Do they eat soup with their hands?

Soup?

Soup is way too hot, and dangerous. I'm sure they serve tofu balls. Soft (but not too soft - choking hazard, don'tchaknow?), room temperature tofu balls.

98 posted on 10/12/2009 9:20:19 AM PDT by mountainbunny (Mitt Romney: Would you buy a used car from this man?)
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To: massgopguy

NO SOUP FOR YOU!


99 posted on 10/12/2009 9:23:59 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: wintertime

The boy is being homeschooled during those 45 days. If anything, the school did him a favor.


100 posted on 10/12/2009 9:34:34 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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