Posted on 10/12/2009 12:27:47 PM PDT by GL of Sector 2814
Sacramento, CA – Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law legislation that will help law enforcement officials track down and apprehend armed criminals and other prohibited persons. AB 962 by Assembly Member Kevin DeLeon (D-Los Angeles) had the support of law enforcement officials from across the state and was modeled after successful city ordinances, including the cities of Sacramento and Los Angeles. AB 962 was the Brady Campaign´s top priority bill in this year´s legislature.
The law requires maintenance of purchaser records by handgun ammunition vendors. Local law enforcement can use these records to find illegal guns.
"The purchase records will provide our police officers with yet another tool to track down and apprehend armed and dangerous criminals," said Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
The new law also requires the safe storage of handgun ammunition in stores and that all handgun ammunition sales be completed in face-to-face transactions. Sacramento and Los Angeles have had great success over the last few years with similar city ordinances. "Law enforcement officials in both cities have had great success in tracking down violent criminals who purchased ammunition in Sacramento and Los Angeles," said Ellen Boneparth, President of the California Brady Campaign Chapters. "Our California Brady Chapters were instrumental in urging cities to pass the local ordinances and getting strong support statewide for AB 962."
A 2006 study by the Rand Corporation on Los Angeles´ city ordinance showed 10,050 rounds of ammunition were purchased by prohibited persons in a period of just two months. The study concluded "…monitoring ammunition transactions may help reduce the supply of ammunition to criminals and the frequency of injuries from felonious gun assaults. Such a record can also provide information for generating leads on illegal firearm possession."
Arnold is living proof that we as a nation are NOT careful enough about who we let immigrate to this country.
Las Vegas calling!
Phoenix is nice this time of year.
Think I’ll fix the old pickup truck for some extended desert treks.
This law ends mail/internet orders, as well as other non-face-to-face ammo sales. Gotta read it again to see what it does for reloaders.
/mark
The criminal never buy ammo on the black market. Does saying that make me a racist?
How? by using those records as a defacto gun registry. Presumes purchase of ammunition is probable cause for a warrant.
SCREW YOU, ARNOLD and the California Leg.!
And Arnold also signed some “gay rights” bills.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2360776/posts
CA is whacked. No way could I live in that progressive state. Just order it online, have it shipped to another state and pick it up there.
There are ways around that. Legal ways.
Bloods,Crips and MS 13 will be deeply saddened !
“Electable.”
LOL...just saw that. Catch ya all later, this is all I can take for one day.
It’s just CA right now correct? (as far as internet sales)
I would not be suprised to see someone offering that very service before long. That would make it possible to
pick up your purchase in NV, OR, AZ (or any other convenient place).
load your own, there is an investment involved but hey...
“Arnold is living proof that we as a nation are NOT careful enough about who we let immigrate to this country.”
Arnie is just not very bright. He made 400 million building apartment buildings, but he had Tom Selleck’s dad, Bob Selleck, the former V.P. of Coldwell Banker Commercial Real Estate, walking him through every phase of acquisition and development. Should have stuck to real estate, Ahnold ;-)
The law in CA requires that all handgun ammo sales be conducted face-to-face.
Anyone selling or transferring more than 50 rounds per month must have a license to do so (giving a buddy a brick of .22 is now a crime in CA).
I've shot 80 year old military rifle ammunition. It went "bang" every time, so I'd say at least a century, if stored properly.
“...track down and apprehend armed criminals and other prohibited persons...”
Which means only law abiding citizens will be affected!
Hey AH-NOLD!
This wouldn’t stop terminators from using weapons in the present you dip-stick!
Some other states may have similar laws, but this new one only applies to California.
It also requires thumprinting to purchase handgun ammo.
Yep, if you live there.........you should consider getting out. Maybe all this will lead to the good people migrating to ‘flyover’ country.
Decades, if not centuries.
Arnold is proof that a Republican Party that doesn’t stand for anything, stands for nothing.
Asshat RINO. He and Bloomberg should go get an apartment in the village where they can bugger each other in peace. Leave real life to the adults.
What an Idiot. I can’t believe he signed it. It’s true what they say about passing laws to make us all criminals. I am so glad I don’t live in California.
Empirically, more than a century. People have found caches of properly stored centerfire ammunition that dated back to the Spanish American War of 1898 that worked just fine when fired. Velocity was a little less than expected, but whether this was due to age or poor quality control at time of manufacture was impossible to determine.
The good news is that being in Texas, we don’t have to worry about this idiocy in our state just yet.
that stupid Kennedy-marrying, communist ex-bodybuilder needs to go. The republican party needs to clean house, and Arnold is among the dirt that needs removing.
Smart people wouldn’t just fix up the old truck, they’d load it up and leave, never to return.
It's just another business opportunity for the Hell's Angels, the Mafia and Indian smoke shops. All of them, along with illegal marijuana growers/marketers, have thriving businesses here in California.
“I am so glad I don’t live in California.
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If this is a “success” you’ll see it elsewhere.
Success means no legal challenge, cutting off ammo to the good guys and not the bad guys*, and making tyrants feel safer while their pet politicians get re-elected for the next Hegelian step.
*So that the problem of street crime gets worse, showing the need for the next Hegelian step.
It only ends them for handgun ammo sales. Not that that makes it ok, just saying. It doesn’t go into effect until next year, so order all you can now. We had this once before and managed to get rid of it but communists never quit when it comes to shoving their restrictive laws down our throats. Fortunately I live fairly near to Nevada and can make a few trips over there if need be, if nothing else just to buy reloading components.
McCain / Schwarzenegger - 2012, A safer, kindler, gentler world with a thousand points of registration ...
ROFL
If everyone who gives a rip buys fifty rounds of ammo, own a gun or not. It would overload the system and they would never be able to track everyone down. Use The Messiah’s community organizing tactics on them.
They will probably ban that conduct next year. They already made it more or less illegal to bring in a car from out of state to get around their ever more asinine vehicle control regulations.
Don’t blame Arnold...being a tyrant is in his genetics.
It’s amazing how many Californians love getting smacked around and discounted. Have they adopted the state motto: Beat me, whip me. Make me write cold checks.”
I'm not sure about shotgun ammo due to its plastic components. Anybody know?
Yeah, just like the ballistic "fingerprint" database has been used to crack open oh so many crimes, and the Canadian gun registry has led to so many prosecutions and convictions...
... uh...
Never mind.
Unfortunately, that’s not so unless all said people buy 50 rounds a day, every day.
Even Walmart’s internal sales tracking system doesn’t find that a challenge at all.
I was thinking the same thing....drive to neighboring Nevada, enjoy the casinos, and buy a carload of ammo before returning to California.
The ammo sellers in Nevada and Arizona are going to make some nice profits.
Older shotgun ammo had brass casings, the plastic casings are a relatively recent development. The big question for a shotgun shell is that one end by definition isn’t sealed all that well and therefore is susceptible to moisture ingress. I don’t recall anyone finding old shotgun ammo and testing it, though.
As long as you live. Keep dry and about....I guess optimum temp is about 60 - 67 degrees.
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