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Plaintiff : Courts must hear eligibility arguments
WorldNetDaily ^ | October 12, 2009 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 10/12/2009 1:00:23 PM PDT by RobinMasters

A plaintiff on one of the cases challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president says federal courts must hear the challenges, because to do otherwise would be treason.

The claim comes from Charles F. Kerchner Jr., a lead plaintiff in the Kerchner et al vs. Obama & Congress et al lawsuit being handled by attorney Mario Apuzzo.

Apuzzo filed his lawsuit last January on behalf of Kerchner, Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. Named as defendants are Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives and former Vice President Dick Cheney along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The case focuses on the alleged failure in Congress to follow the Constitution. That document, the lawsuit states, "provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate 'elected' by the Electoral College Electors."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthers; blackhelicopters; certifigate; conspiracytheories; tinfoil; tinfoilhats
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1 posted on 10/12/2009 1:00:23 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: ExTexasRedhead; justiceseeker93; traderrob6; OL Hickory; socialismisinsidious; trlambsr; Altera; ...

Ping.


2 posted on 10/12/2009 1:00:37 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters
A plaintiff on one of the cases challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president says federal courts must hear the challenges

Gee, isn't that a shocker. A plaintiff wants doesn't want his case dismissed.

In other news, prosecutors want grand juries to indict their defendants, and football coaches want the calls they challange to be overturned.

3 posted on 10/12/2009 1:03:59 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: RobinMasters
In a legal sense, these cases remind me of the 1960s-1990s Tobacco Litigation. Every plaintiff lost.... until one won.

The plaintiffs’ lawyers kept going, because they knew that eventually, the dam would break. And when it did, all the plaintiffs began to win.

4 posted on 10/12/2009 1:05:20 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Never kick leftists when they're down. Wait till they're half way back up. You get better leverage!)
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To: MindBender26

The judge in this case filed by Mario Apuzzo has just been sitting on the case for almost a year.

The judiciary si so corrupt in this country along with the executive and legislative branches.


5 posted on 10/12/2009 1:07:33 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: LucyT

PING before the Obama supporters crawl from under their rocks and take over the thread.


6 posted on 10/12/2009 1:12:12 PM PDT by stockpirate ("if my thought-dreams could be seen. They'd probably put my head in a guillotine" Dylan)
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To: RobinMasters; rxsid; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; GOPJ; ..

ping


7 posted on 10/12/2009 1:12:55 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 263 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: RobinMasters
“former Vice President Dick Cheney”

You'd think Mr.Cheney would want a piece of Barry. Especially with a looming investigation into the *Plame* incident.

8 posted on 10/12/2009 1:14:34 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: stockpirate; All

They have already emerged in the first few replies!


9 posted on 10/12/2009 1:19:06 PM PDT by FARS (Be happy, Be well and Thrive)
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To: wolfcreek
re: looming investigation into the *Plame* incident

I would think they would reopen that Pandora's box with great care. There was much more wrong done there that right, and an honest inquiry into the whole mess would reveal a lot of problems. Of course, the operative word here is ‘honest’ and I'm afraid anyone this bunch would appoint would have the sole aim of bring more discredit to the Bush administration.

You will NEVER, EVER convince me that whole thing wasn't a setup by the CIA from start to finish. There's simply no other way to explain everything that happened there.

10 posted on 10/12/2009 1:19:50 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: curiosity

And freerepublic wants posters to actually post posts.


11 posted on 10/12/2009 1:20:03 PM PDT by stockpirate ("if my thought-dreams could be seen. They'd probably put my head in a guillotine" Dylan)
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To: FARS

This is great news, soon the dam will break and this case will move forward and the truth will come out about our communist usurper in chief, Barkist Obamacon.

Soon the Obamanoids will be here.


12 posted on 10/12/2009 1:23:12 PM PDT by stockpirate ("if my thought-dreams could be seen. They'd probably put my head in a guillotine" Dylan)
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To: stockpirate

How dare you, sir! Stop picking on our Kenyan messiah!!!!


13 posted on 10/12/2009 1:24:41 PM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: MindBender26

Good analogy and metaphor: “the dam would break.” But the dam breaking in these presidential cases would be a big step toward maintaining a constitutional republic in the US. By contrast, the broken dam in the tobacco cases had more of negative effect on the legal system than a positive one.


14 posted on 10/12/2009 1:25:48 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: jwparkerjr

Hell, the CIA might even be involved in Barry’s eligibility coverup. There’s NO WAY they didn’t FULLY vet him.


15 posted on 10/12/2009 1:32:14 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek

Man, that would be something but it does not make sense that bam would be harassing them while knowing they know he’s not a NBC!


16 posted on 10/12/2009 1:38:51 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: wolfcreek
I would think that the people behind the Obama cover up have spent quite a bit of time and money getting people into positions in every nook and cranny of that might have a bearing on the plot. Discrediting the Bush administration was a vital part of getting Obama into office. Sadly, Bush made it much easier by being so unwilling to protect his flank and defend his territory. My guess is the people behind Obama could hardly believe their luck when it turned out Bush would try to co-opt the liberal issues and actually work with people like Ted Kennedy to implement some of the Left’s pet projects. Add to that the Republican leadership turning into nothing less than Democrat-lite when it came to increasing government and spending. Talk about the perfect storm! I know George Bush got a lot of things right, and accomplished quite a bit for someone who was under constant attack, but for every one of those things a couple of others were ticked off by the opposition.

Whoever is behind Obama has orchestrated a plot that takes into consideration every aspect of how we govern ourselves. But in the end they depended on the fact that everyone has their price. For some it's money, others it's recognition, others it's control. They studied the price of a lot of differing aspects and set about appealing to each one of them. The result is what we see today. A government and economy about to collapse under its own weight and several dozen czars in place to direct every aspect of our lives. Take overs of all sorts of private enterprises, and now health care.

We are seeing the end game of a lot of planning.

17 posted on 10/12/2009 1:45:58 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: RobinMasters
A plaintiff on one of the cases challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president says federal courts must hear the challenges, because to do otherwise would be treason

Well that's really going to sway the judge. </sarcasm>

18 posted on 10/12/2009 1:49:25 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: SaraJohnson

This too could be bogus.

We are being lied to and manipulated on a daily basis.


19 posted on 10/12/2009 1:50:36 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: jwparkerjr

“We are seeing the end game of a lot of planning.”

Here’s one of the *planner*.

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/hgwells/hg_cont.htm


20 posted on 10/12/2009 1:55:57 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: curiosity
"He said his basis for such a statement is the opinion of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall, who wrote in an 1821 case, Cohens vs. Virginia:"

"It is most true that this court will not take jurisdiction if it should not: but it is equally true, that it must take jurisdiction if it should."

Well, who can argue with that? :-)

21 posted on 10/12/2009 2:03:17 PM PDT by mlo
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To: wolfcreek
Stop it Stop it CIA has no say in that! No federal defense or law enforcement agency does! You watch too much NCIS and other stupid TV shows!

No federal agency vets presidential candidates or any candidate for congressional or senatorial office ! The parties supposedly do that, and the individual states through their secretary of states to make sure that candidate for president are eligible. (However there was a socialist candidate a few elections cycles back who was very open about a foreign birth plus I believe he was a ex-felon and he still remained on the ballot in about a dozen states. The SOS's in those states couldn't summon enough energy to do their job !)T Our present presidential predicament just shows how lax we have become. I don't know if he was born in Hawaii or not, but there is something that he is hiding. I think it's in the “public interest” that it be revealed! After all his “pals” got his senatorial opponents sealed divorce court records opened by a judge who said it was “in the public interest”. How more so a president !
The Founding Fathers didn't think anyone would have the gall or the lack of honor to try what might have been done.
They also thought the people would be the check on such things. They naively thought Americans might actually care about the integrity of their vote. Obviously a majority no longer do care, to this “new majority” it's a form of American Idol that occurs every four years.

I know you don't want to believe that there is such a gaping hole in the “system’ BUT there is !
Leave the conspiracy notions for the “9/11 Truthers”

I broke my vow never to post again, but I am so sick of Freepers showing ignorance as to how the USG agencies actually operates. (CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI etc. aren't omniscient omnipotent agencies, in fact they are very flawed inefficient bureaucracies! Leave the spy novel stuff to books, TV & the movies! Jack “Whatever” from 24 (another stupid TV show!) doesn't exist, I just couldn't stand it any more. Please educate yourself leave the ignorance to the left! I am sorry if I am being hard core about this, but don't look for conspiracies to explain this or cast about for secret cabals to blame. To paraphrase Shakespeare, "the fault lies with us not with the stars!"

22 posted on 10/12/2009 2:32:00 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
Plaintiff : Courts must hear eligibility arguments
Monday, October 12, 2009 3:32:00 PM · 22 of 22
Reily to wolfcreek
Stop it Stop it CIA has no say in that! No federal defense or law enforcement agency does! You watch too much NCIS and other stupid TV shows!

No federal agency vets presidential candidates or any candidate for congressional or senatorial office !

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Yes, not in any official capacity.


23 posted on 10/12/2009 2:48:48 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Reily
You sound as if you have *inside* info into the workings of USG agencies. but, you wish for us to say, “oh well, the FedGov is an inept group we can't fathom to understand”.

I say BS! Researching and uncovering the truth is Exactly what we need to do. And quit throwing around the *conspiracy* word. More than a few of us realize that is just a way to deflect from the conversation at hand. (or to demoralize)

What are you REALLY afraid of?

24 posted on 10/12/2009 2:56:52 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek

Looks very interesting. A bit exhaustive, but interesting. I’ll delve into it later this evening.

I have no doubt we are seeing the final push of some plan. We’re like the cowboys in the circled wagons, hearing the drums in the distance, seeing the smoke signals, just knowing the final push will come as soon as the drum beaters and smoke signalers thing they’ve got their stuff together.


25 posted on 10/12/2009 2:57:03 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: RobinMasters

btt


26 posted on 10/12/2009 3:01:33 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: jwparkerjr

Here’s some more background on Wells and his minions. Too smart for their own good and evil to boot.

http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/EntityDisplay.php?Entity=WellsHG


27 posted on 10/12/2009 3:01:39 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Reily
(CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI etc. aren't omniscient omnipotent agencies, in fact they are very flawed inefficient bureaucracies!

Yes they are, very much so. As such they may sometimes, for institutional not legal reasons, go "outside" their charters and use their resources for reasons not formally allowed.

Like spying on people who have broken no laws, looking for "character flaws", such as J.E. Hoovers spying on MLK.

The CIA in particular, may have those institutional reasons as may DIA and NSA (both part of DoD) for looking into BHO's background, and possibly leaking what they find. The leadership of those organizations may have personal reasons for wanting to "vet" BHO.

28 posted on 10/12/2009 3:02:30 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Red Steel

and how many years did you work there?

It always amazes me how many experts there are about these organizations, and have never been there!


29 posted on 10/12/2009 3:08:07 PM PDT by Reily
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To: El Gato

Tell me how would they do it?
Obviously you know!


30 posted on 10/12/2009 3:08:57 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
and how many years did you work there?

It always amazes me how many experts there are about these organizations, and have never been there!

Look dude, it's not inconceivable that some alphabet agency may know something about Obama in an indirect or direct way.

31 posted on 10/12/2009 3:12:41 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Its not inconceivable that I could step out onto my front porch and be hit by a meteorite either!
32 posted on 10/12/2009 3:25:47 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
I broke my vow never to post again, but I am so sick of Freepers showing ignorance as to how the USG agencies actually operates.

You're wasting your time. They will believe whatever crazy conspiracy suits their agenda.

33 posted on 10/12/2009 3:38:55 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: wolfcreek
I haven't had a time to delve into it yet, but I am so convinced we are seeing a very devious, well funded plan playing out at our expense. And so much of the dirty work is being done by useful idiots who think the backers are on their side and helping them because they agree with them. It never dawns on them that they are simply being used, being bought off with whatever the coin of their realm happens to be. Could be money, control, recognition, whatever. And the useful idiots have been so taken in by thinking they are working to realize their dreams and schemes that they don't realize they will be the first ones to go after the plan is complete.

Look at Obama, even now, less than a year into his term, and still having a ways to go before the take over is complete. He hasn't done a thing to keep the promises he used to enlist the help of all those people who turned out to vote for him.

It doesn't matter if it's a plan or not. Even if it's just pure political greed, or stupidity, or whatever, the outcome will be the same. America is facing its last chance to turn around and head back down the the wrong road they've been on, find the fork where they took the wrong turn and head down the right road. It might be too late, but it's our only hope to get back a bit of the America I grew up loving.

34 posted on 10/12/2009 3:46:56 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: Reily
Tell me how would they do it?

The same ways and means used to get other information that it's holders do not want them to have. Not just one technique, many techniques. Sometimes poorly applied, they are government agencies. They'd probably hire a contractor for the actual work, but maybe not.

One potential means, they could hack into the Hawaii DoH computers. Why not, the Chinese and Russians probably already have. Even more likely the Israelis, who also would have good survival reasons to want to know, and to leak what they know.

35 posted on 10/12/2009 3:59:25 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Reily
Obviously you know!

One low tech, but effective, method that I've been briefed on more times than I can count, is the "honey trap". Some lonely, and possibly not too attractive, lady in the Hawaii DoH gets wined and dined and generally paid attention to, maybe laid as well. It can be tough work, but the Soviets had it down to a near Science. She wants to please her new "friend", so thinking "what could it hurt" supplies him with the goods. Then he disappears, but not instantly. She might not even connect his "breaking it off" with her supplying the data.

It's happened before, it'll likely happen again.

36 posted on 10/12/2009 4:08:38 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: justiceseeker93

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugPyHCqYG7w


37 posted on 10/12/2009 4:25:21 PM PDT by danamco
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To: El Gato
Everything you described would leave a money trail which would be caught by a routine audit.
Plus whoever ordered it would have to explain why he or she is not addressing the official target list.
The tasking of “agents” for HUMINT means money (again an audit would catch you !)
Tasking of USG staff hackers would leave an internal IT audit & money trail & again the questions would quickly come,’Why are you doing this?’
Use of a contractor would leave a large money trail and another IT audit trail.
You would be shocked about the micromanagement that goes on in those places. Committee after committee after committee to get approvals, then committee after committee to review the actions taken and how the money was spent. The "excesses" of the 1960s & 1970s brought forth internal regulation piled upon regulation. Intrusive tasking & micromanagement by congressional staffers is very very common. This is why these agencies are so inefficient & lethargic. The major reason Oliver North had to be stopped from a congressional viewpoint was he was implementing a Casey idea of having an "independent espionage agency". An agency independent of congressional control because it made its own money by profiting off operations, it was "self-funding". Casey thought this was necessary because US espionage was so "broken". As you know he failed and the result was an even more congressionally managed organization. Yes you are right its possible someone inside knows. It is also possible I will win the lottery. ( I don't even play!)If he or she is an Obama appointee, they might know but very unlikely. However if they do, probably knew before he or she came to work. However I think that very very very few people know the actual facts about Obama. The only way we the public will find out is if one these court actions actually works and there is discovery with a subpoena. Even then I don't think we will get the full story, because I don't think a lot of his personal information is documented. I hope the court actions work, but I won't hold my breath.
38 posted on 10/12/2009 4:38:20 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
The major reason Oliver North had to be stopped from a congressional viewpoint was he was implementing a Casey idea of having an "independent espionage agency". An agency independent of congressional control because it made its own money by profiting off operations, it was "self-funding". Casey thought this was necessary because US espionage was so "broken". As you know he failed and the result was an even more congressionally managed organization.

Thou knows of what thou speaks

39 posted on 10/12/2009 4:54:17 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Reily
You would be shocked about the micromanagement that goes on in those places.

Not really, I've been a government contractor for 32 years. Plus before that I was active duty AF, Reserve and Guard, officer with the last two overlapping that 32 years as DoD contractor.

But all that paper, and meetings and so on, makes it that much easier to "lose" small amounts of 'stuff', including time, money, etc. We aren't talking about the invasion of Grenada or even supporting the Contras.

It might even just be someone from one of those agencies using the skills he got in OJT, freelancing.

Actually the whole Iran Contra affair shows that much can be done under the radar before you get caught, and smaller stuff might just stay under the radar, at least "long enough".

40 posted on 10/12/2009 6:45:13 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
It still takes money !
Public money leaves a trail. Now if its private money that's another story and you might have a case there.
I also have been a contractor & a guvie for 30 years also.
41 posted on 10/12/2009 7:18:05 PM PDT by Reily
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To: wolfcreek; All

“Hell, the CIA might even be involved in Barry’s eligibility coverup. There’s NO WAY they didn’t FULLY vet him.”

If there is anything to know about POTUS Obama that would shake his credibility, I am certain the CIA knows it. However, it is not in their charter to be involved in bringing down an administration (at least in this country).


42 posted on 10/12/2009 7:28:08 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Reily

I dont know a damn thing but Im an expert on all of this


43 posted on 10/12/2009 7:34:32 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Frantzie

Oh yes Mario Apuzzo the famed DUI attorney and constitutional law scholar Hey Mario whats you win/loss ratio on your drunk driving cases.


44 posted on 10/12/2009 8:16:20 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MilspecRob

As opposed to you - the famed troll.

ZOT.


45 posted on 10/12/2009 8:47:47 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: Non-Sequitur; Reily
I don't think the CIA or whoever doing a background check on potential elected officials qualifies as believing in *conspiracies*.

Those DoD umbrella units are bound by the Constitution to do what they can to protect this country and it's populous.
Saying they're a bunch of inept buffoons, who don't have a clue, is a bit treasonous in itself.

However, if these same departments become complicit in acts detrimental to the interests of this country, then we have a whole new *conspiracy* theory.

Go ahead and believe the total chaos then wonder how we got this far.

46 posted on 10/13/2009 3:48:06 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Sola Veritas

Essentially, they work for the Admin/Pres. but, they’re bound by the Constitution.

Something needs to give.


47 posted on 10/13/2009 4:02:42 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: jwparkerjr
The choices we have are limited and mostly a ruse to keep us at each others throats and basically confused.

Until people look beyond the choices we've been presented, we'll continue down this road and the powers that be will have their way. (just my opinion)

48 posted on 10/13/2009 4:08:17 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek
I don't think the CIA or whoever doing a background check on potential elected officials qualifies as believing in *conspiracies*.

You are saying that you think that the CIA or whoever is violating the law and conducting illegal background checks on political candidates without a single shred of evidence to support it. If that isn't a conspiracy theory then what is it?

Those DoD umbrella units are bound by the Constitution to do what they can to protect this country and it's populous.

Saying they're a bunch of inept buffoons, who don't have a clue, is a bit treasonous in itself.

To say that they are deliberately violating the law without a big of evidence to support it drifts into tin-foil beanie territory. They are also bound by law as to what they can do and what they can't.

49 posted on 10/13/2009 4:11:55 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

“You are saying that you think that the CIA or whoever is violating the law and conducting illegal background”

Hell no. I want them (or someone) to check backgrounds of candidates. (especially Manchurian ones)

I don’t know (nor do I think you do) if that’s one of their functions but, it should be.

“Those DoD umbrella units are bound by the Constitution to do what they can to protect this country and it’s populous.”

Don’t be trying to turn my words around.


50 posted on 10/13/2009 4:19:06 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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