Posted on 10/12/2009 1:00:23 PM PDT by RobinMasters
A plaintiff on one of the cases challenging Barack Obama's eligibility to be president says federal courts must hear the challenges, because to do otherwise would be treason.
The claim comes from Charles F. Kerchner Jr., a lead plaintiff in the Kerchner et al vs. Obama & Congress et al lawsuit being handled by attorney Mario Apuzzo.
Apuzzo filed his lawsuit last January on behalf of Kerchner, Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. Named as defendants are Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives and former Vice President Dick Cheney along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
The case focuses on the alleged failure in Congress to follow the Constitution. That document, the lawsuit states, "provides that Congress must fully qualify the candidate 'elected' by the Electoral College Electors."
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Ping.
Gee, isn't that a shocker. A plaintiff wants doesn't want his case dismissed.
In other news, prosecutors want grand juries to indict their defendants, and football coaches want the calls they challange to be overturned.
The plaintiffs’ lawyers kept going, because they knew that eventually, the dam would break. And when it did, all the plaintiffs began to win.
The judge in this case filed by Mario Apuzzo has just been sitting on the case for almost a year.
The judiciary si so corrupt in this country along with the executive and legislative branches.
PING before the Obama supporters crawl from under their rocks and take over the thread.
ping
You'd think Mr.Cheney would want a piece of Barry. Especially with a looming investigation into the *Plame* incident.
They have already emerged in the first few replies!
I would think they would reopen that Pandora's box with great care. There was much more wrong done there that right, and an honest inquiry into the whole mess would reveal a lot of problems. Of course, the operative word here is ‘honest’ and I'm afraid anyone this bunch would appoint would have the sole aim of bring more discredit to the Bush administration.
You will NEVER, EVER convince me that whole thing wasn't a setup by the CIA from start to finish. There's simply no other way to explain everything that happened there.
And freerepublic wants posters to actually post posts.
This is great news, soon the dam will break and this case will move forward and the truth will come out about our communist usurper in chief, Barkist Obamacon.
Soon the Obamanoids will be here.
How dare you, sir! Stop picking on our Kenyan messiah!!!!
Good analogy and metaphor: “the dam would break.” But the dam breaking in these presidential cases would be a big step toward maintaining a constitutional republic in the US. By contrast, the broken dam in the tobacco cases had more of negative effect on the legal system than a positive one.
Hell, the CIA might even be involved in Barry’s eligibility coverup. There’s NO WAY they didn’t FULLY vet him.
Man, that would be something but it does not make sense that bam would be harassing them while knowing they know he’s not a NBC!
Whoever is behind Obama has orchestrated a plot that takes into consideration every aspect of how we govern ourselves. But in the end they depended on the fact that everyone has their price. For some it's money, others it's recognition, others it's control. They studied the price of a lot of differing aspects and set about appealing to each one of them. The result is what we see today. A government and economy about to collapse under its own weight and several dozen czars in place to direct every aspect of our lives. Take overs of all sorts of private enterprises, and now health care.
We are seeing the end game of a lot of planning.
Well that's really going to sway the judge. </sarcasm>
This too could be bogus.
We are being lied to and manipulated on a daily basis.
“We are seeing the end game of a lot of planning.”
Here’s one of the *planner*.
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/hgwells/hg_cont.htm
"It is most true that this court will not take jurisdiction if it should not: but it is equally true, that it must take jurisdiction if it should."
Well, who can argue with that? :-)
No federal agency vets presidential candidates or any candidate for congressional or senatorial office ! The parties supposedly do that, and the individual states through their secretary of states to make sure that candidate for president are eligible. (However there was a socialist candidate a few elections cycles back who was very open about a foreign birth plus I believe he was a ex-felon and he still remained on the ballot in about a dozen states. The SOS's in those states couldn't summon enough energy to do their job !)T Our present presidential predicament just shows how lax we have become. I don't know if he was born in Hawaii or not, but there is something that he is hiding. I think it's in the “public interest” that it be revealed! After all his “pals” got his senatorial opponents sealed divorce court records opened by a judge who said it was “in the public interest”. How more so a president !
The Founding Fathers didn't think anyone would have the gall or the lack of honor to try what might have been done.
They also thought the people would be the check on such things. They naively thought Americans might actually care about the integrity of their vote. Obviously a majority no longer do care, to this “new majority” it's a form of American Idol that occurs every four years.
I know you don't want to believe that there is such a gaping hole in the “system’ BUT there is !
Leave the conspiracy notions for the “9/11 Truthers”
I broke my vow never to post again, but I am so sick of Freepers showing ignorance as to how the USG agencies actually operates. (CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI etc. aren't omniscient omnipotent agencies, in fact they are very flawed inefficient bureaucracies! Leave the spy novel stuff to books, TV & the movies! Jack “Whatever” from 24 (another stupid TV show!) doesn't exist, I just couldn't stand it any more. Please educate yourself leave the ignorance to the left! I am sorry if I am being hard core about this, but don't look for conspiracies to explain this or cast about for secret cabals to blame. To paraphrase Shakespeare, "the fault lies with us not with the stars!"
No federal agency vets presidential candidates or any candidate for congressional or senatorial office !
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Yes, not in any official capacity.
I say BS! Researching and uncovering the truth is Exactly what we need to do. And quit throwing around the *conspiracy* word. More than a few of us realize that is just a way to deflect from the conversation at hand. (or to demoralize)
What are you REALLY afraid of?
Looks very interesting. A bit exhaustive, but interesting. I’ll delve into it later this evening.
I have no doubt we are seeing the final push of some plan. We’re like the cowboys in the circled wagons, hearing the drums in the distance, seeing the smoke signals, just knowing the final push will come as soon as the drum beaters and smoke signalers thing they’ve got their stuff together.
btt
Here’s some more background on Wells and his minions. Too smart for their own good and evil to boot.
http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/EntityDisplay.php?Entity=WellsHG
Yes they are, very much so. As such they may sometimes, for institutional not legal reasons, go "outside" their charters and use their resources for reasons not formally allowed.
Like spying on people who have broken no laws, looking for "character flaws", such as J.E. Hoovers spying on MLK.
The CIA in particular, may have those institutional reasons as may DIA and NSA (both part of DoD) for looking into BHO's background, and possibly leaking what they find. The leadership of those organizations may have personal reasons for wanting to "vet" BHO.
and how many years did you work there?
It always amazes me how many experts there are about these organizations, and have never been there!
Tell me how would they do it?
Obviously you know!
It always amazes me how many experts there are about these organizations, and have never been there!
Look dude, it's not inconceivable that some alphabet agency may know something about Obama in an indirect or direct way.
You're wasting your time. They will believe whatever crazy conspiracy suits their agenda.
Look at Obama, even now, less than a year into his term, and still having a ways to go before the take over is complete. He hasn't done a thing to keep the promises he used to enlist the help of all those people who turned out to vote for him.
It doesn't matter if it's a plan or not. Even if it's just pure political greed, or stupidity, or whatever, the outcome will be the same. America is facing its last chance to turn around and head back down the the wrong road they've been on, find the fork where they took the wrong turn and head down the right road. It might be too late, but it's our only hope to get back a bit of the America I grew up loving.
The same ways and means used to get other information that it's holders do not want them to have. Not just one technique, many techniques. Sometimes poorly applied, they are government agencies. They'd probably hire a contractor for the actual work, but maybe not.
One potential means, they could hack into the Hawaii DoH computers. Why not, the Chinese and Russians probably already have. Even more likely the Israelis, who also would have good survival reasons to want to know, and to leak what they know.
One low tech, but effective, method that I've been briefed on more times than I can count, is the "honey trap". Some lonely, and possibly not too attractive, lady in the Hawaii DoH gets wined and dined and generally paid attention to, maybe laid as well. It can be tough work, but the Soviets had it down to a near Science. She wants to please her new "friend", so thinking "what could it hurt" supplies him with the goods. Then he disappears, but not instantly. She might not even connect his "breaking it off" with her supplying the data.
It's happened before, it'll likely happen again.
Thou knows of what thou speaks
Not really, I've been a government contractor for 32 years. Plus before that I was active duty AF, Reserve and Guard, officer with the last two overlapping that 32 years as DoD contractor.
But all that paper, and meetings and so on, makes it that much easier to "lose" small amounts of 'stuff', including time, money, etc. We aren't talking about the invasion of Grenada or even supporting the Contras.
It might even just be someone from one of those agencies using the skills he got in OJT, freelancing.
Actually the whole Iran Contra affair shows that much can be done under the radar before you get caught, and smaller stuff might just stay under the radar, at least "long enough".
“Hell, the CIA might even be involved in Barry’s eligibility coverup. There’s NO WAY they didn’t FULLY vet him.”
If there is anything to know about POTUS Obama that would shake his credibility, I am certain the CIA knows it. However, it is not in their charter to be involved in bringing down an administration (at least in this country).
I dont know a damn thing but Im an expert on all of this
Oh yes Mario Apuzzo the famed DUI attorney and constitutional law scholar Hey Mario whats you win/loss ratio on your drunk driving cases.
As opposed to you - the famed troll.
ZOT.
Those DoD umbrella units are bound by the Constitution to do what they can to protect this country and it's populous.
Saying they're a bunch of inept buffoons, who don't have a clue, is a bit treasonous in itself.
However, if these same departments become complicit in acts detrimental to the interests of this country, then we have a whole new *conspiracy* theory.
Go ahead and believe the total chaos then wonder how we got this far.
Essentially, they work for the Admin/Pres. but, they’re bound by the Constitution.
Something needs to give.
Until people look beyond the choices we've been presented, we'll continue down this road and the powers that be will have their way. (just my opinion)
You are saying that you think that the CIA or whoever is violating the law and conducting illegal background checks on political candidates without a single shred of evidence to support it. If that isn't a conspiracy theory then what is it?
Those DoD umbrella units are bound by the Constitution to do what they can to protect this country and it's populous.
Saying they're a bunch of inept buffoons, who don't have a clue, is a bit treasonous in itself.
To say that they are deliberately violating the law without a big of evidence to support it drifts into tin-foil beanie territory. They are also bound by law as to what they can do and what they can't.
“You are saying that you think that the CIA or whoever is violating the law and conducting illegal background”
Hell no. I want them (or someone) to check backgrounds of candidates. (especially Manchurian ones)
I don’t know (nor do I think you do) if that’s one of their functions but, it should be.
“Those DoD umbrella units are bound by the Constitution to do what they can to protect this country and it’s populous.”
Don’t be trying to turn my words around.
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