Skip to comments.Judge Land Fines Orly Taitz $20K, File Copy of Order with State Bar of CA
Posted on 10/13/2009 7:45:31 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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No sir. MT does not work for Donofrio. They attempted to work together for about a week, then decided against it.
And I stand corrected. Donofrio certainly believes Obama is NOT an NBC, but he also thinks Obama was HI born. Tickly is skeptical
If you mean a "hearing" at which Orly can subpoena evidence to rebut the $20,000 sanctions award against her, no, there is no such procedure available under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. She was offered the opportunity by Judge Land to present evidence as to why she shouldn't be sanctioned, and she responded with a legally-frivolous attempt to disqualify the judge, without asking to present any evidence as to hte sanctions issue. So any opportunity to present evidence has been waived.
I’m not a leftist scum bag so not only am I not registered under my FR name (unlike some on this thread), I don’t even go there to read! Maybe saw it three times since 2002.
Well...maybe half right.
Ok, so you are not an Obama supporter - glad to hear that. You were just being true to your screen name when you gave that non-answer.
As for one the trick pony routine, what is this idea that anyone who is interested in the eligibility question automatically is assumed to lack the capacity to pursue other avenues to defeat Obama? This is such a common statement from people who criticize “birthers” that it must be some kind of talking point. If you aren't one of O’bummer’s paid bloggers, you might consider getting rid of that line in your postings.
As to blind worship of Orly, I haven't seen any evidence of that on the eligibility threads. My own feelings on Orly and her efforts are realistic. Worst case is she never gets off first base with a case but the awareness factor on eligibility increases as a result. Best case is she actually is able to get a judge to go along with discovery.
I do not see any advantage in ridiculing her and do not understand why you feel the need to do so given the fact that you are not an Obama supporter.
Well, I just want to get a full accounting of whos in on this. By my account:
HI State Govt. (or parts of it)
Including the Republican Governor and everyone she has appointed who could have possibly known, and all of the employees who have had access to those records.
Sure, but probably the RNC, too. Plus all of the top-tier Republican candidates, President and Vice President, at least. And Hillary Clinton.
Not just the DoJ, but the DoJ under the Bush Administration. This started last year during the election, when President Bush was in office and the DoJ was being run by his appointees and people they hired.
Right aqain. Again, though, not just the Department of State, but the Department of State under the Bush Administration, full of a Republican President's appointees and people they hired.
Every judge who has come in contact with the birth certificate cases
Yes. Some of whom, demonstrably, have been active, life-long Republicans (Judge Land, for example).
Additionally, the FBI & CIA who are tasked with keeping us safe at home and abroad & who share the most sensitive national secrets with the incoming President would have to be in on it, too. The directors of those agencies were appointed by a Republican President at the time Obama was running and after he was elected. Them, too.
Plus the entire Supreme Court of the United States, all of Congress, the President, and the Vice President. Plus all of their political appointees who would have known. Oh, and the State Attorneys General of 50 states.
And probably the Secret Service. And most of the mainstream media, all of whom would rather support a possible candidate who at the time may or may not turn out to win, rather than assure themselves a place in history at the reporter who broke the story of the century. And all the newspapers they work for.
Is this a conspiracy that goes back 20 years, or just a few, in your estimation?
You do the math.
Clearly, it goes back to at least 1961 when Obama's entire family conspired to get him declared a NB US citizen, in spite of the fact that there would have been no valid reason to have done so.
The Civil Rights Act was 3 years in the future when Obama was born, and in many places, blacks still couldn't vote or go to school with whites. But she knew it was imperative to commit this massive fraud and enlisted numerous people to do so, so that 48 years in the future, he son could be President of the United States. And none of them of talked or said a single word.
How did she know? Time Travel? Aliens? The Illuminati?
We're through the looking glass, here, people!
If you are a pathological liar you will believe whatever suits you and not necessarily truth.
If you are schizophrenia your fact is, again, whatever suits you at the time. Then may believe they are 18 years old - it’s a fact to them but there license may say 25.
If someone is color blind and they are going to wear there blue suit - it’s a fact to them, that’s my blue suit when in reality, it’s black.
So anyone person having a ‘fact’ unto themselves exists only to themselves - and, basically, any pig can fly w/that kind of existence. It’s ONLY a fact to them - in their OWN mind and it has nothing to do with reality until it is proven.
Things can be anything to one person - fact or fiction. They can call it a fact all day long and it doesn’t not necessarily means that it is - only to them - and nothing to do w/reality!
Thank you for the link.
Do you know if anyone has asked Leo about this?
Well, no. The “Miss Tickly” individual, “TerriK” or under whatever online alias, is in the employ of Donofrio.
Where do you get that ?
There is NO legal precedent for
the birthplace of ones father being determinative of US natural born status if the other parent is an American citizen.
There, fixed it.
There's a reason, too. First, there has never been a Presidential election in dispute due to questions of eligibility under the natural-born citizen requirement. Second, no law can define the term, since only immigration and naturalization is enumerated to the Legislative branch.
There have been several instances, of Donofrio referring to this individual as his “assistant.” I first read it here on FR.
Um, honestly, I don’t know. I was following mlo’s conversation and that’s as far as he ever got with that person. I think the point he was trying to make was that Obama can be 35, a 14-year resident, and a natural-born citizen in actuality/reality without having provided any documentation to that effect. That is true or rather it can be true.
TerriK is not employed by Leo Donofrio. He posted a column recently claiming that he no longer represents TerriK either as her attorney or as her spokesman. She went on her own mission and started her own blog. She doesn’t work for him.
Not as far as I know .. Miss Tickly posts here
and was working on the issue for quite a time
before she contacted and later collaborated
briefly with Donofrio.
That is correct. But she was on her mission long before Donofrio discovered her as well.
She will get 200 grand worth of publicity for a 20 grand fine.
Thats worth the cheese my friend.
This is not about the process of law. Its about politics.
And Orly has just won big time.
There are requirements for elected, national office, and those requirements are most restrictive for the Presidency. To my knowledge, no questionable individual has ever won a majority of electoral votes, prior to Obama. Questions can arise, and did in fact arise, because the factuality of certain claims remained unclear, and still remain unclear.
There were questions all along. There were Hillary supporters questioning Obama's eligibility prior to his being nominated as the Democrat candidate. There were attempts at legal actions directed at both McCain and Obama. The whole thing didn't just fall out of the sky in June of 2008, as several have spun on this thread.
Regardless of the philosophical exercise, the factual basis of Barack Obama's eligibility has been in question for some time, certainly well before the electoral vote was certified. I recall widespread mystification on FR, as to why no one had standing. It was explained away that the matter was not "ripe," or some other rationale, that the matter had to wait until this or that milestone had been passed. Those milestones included party nomination, the popular vote, the electoral vote, the certification of the vote, the Oath Of Office ... always something later.
Now, the spin is that it's too late to be actionable through any means other than through Congress, impeachment I assume.
The plain words of the Constitution state that the Vice President becomes acting President, if the President is ineligible.
How that is to be accomplished, or even how such determination is to be made, is not a matter that is defined. I've contended that determining Constitutional disability and then following the line of succession is the route to take. I see no means of reaching such a determination, outside of SCOTUS.
Barack Obamas' birth status is in doubt. Such doubt is not a recent phenomenon, as regards Barack Obama. Unresolved doubt precludes the requisite status required for office.
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