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Judge Land Fines Orly Taitz $20K, File Copy of Order with State Bar of CA
United States District Court (Georgia) ^ | 10/13/2009 | Judge Clay Land

Posted on 10/13/2009 7:45:31 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan

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To: Non-Sequitur
Others say it’s genuine.

Especially you and your groupies, and your opinion amounts to squat.

The fact remains we know less about this man than any other man in History, except maybe the Unknown Soldiers buried around the world.

Strangely Court sealed records of his opponents for office, all found their way into the media, despite being sealed.

Obama's stuff, however, remains sealed, guess he had better lawyers, or just maybe a few crooked judges, helped him out, like the ones that are aiding and abetting him now.

1,151 posted on 10/15/2009 9:41:34 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: jamese777

Try proving your specious assertions with Hawaiian documentation. Orly has filed a Kenyan copy with sworn affidavit, in Carter’s Court, and your obamessiah has filed nothing as proof. ... We already know you want to claim the fraudulent Internet images are proof, and we know they are empty obamanoid bluster.


1,152 posted on 10/15/2009 9:41:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: itsahoot
Especially you and your groupies, and your opinion amounts to squat.

As do your's. Or haven't you noticed that yet?

Obama's stuff, however, remains sealed, guess he had better lawyers, or just maybe a few crooked judges, helped him out, like the ones that are aiding and abetting him now.

Obama doesn't need crooked judges when he's up against Orly Taitz.

1,153 posted on 10/15/2009 9:43:48 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: MHGinTN
Orly has filed a Kenyan copy with sworn affidavit, in Carter’s Court, and your obamessiah has filed nothing as proof. ...

At this stage he's not required to. Though it'd be worth it to let the case go forward just to find out if that Kenyan birth certificate is as phony as her earlier one was.

We already know you want to claim the fraudulent Internet images are proof, and we know they are empty obamanoid bluster.

Becuase you keep telling us they are?

1,154 posted on 10/15/2009 9:54:06 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: MHGinTN

Try proving your specious assertions with Hawaiian documentation. Orly has filed a Kenyan copy with sworn affidavit, in Carter’s Court, and your obamessiah has filed nothing as proof. ... We already know you want to claim the fraudulent Internet images are proof, and we know they are empty obamanoid bluster.


I wish Dr. Taitz the best of luck with her filing before Judge Carter. I say let the legal chips fall where they may.


1,155 posted on 10/15/2009 11:11:52 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: jamese777
The state of Hawaii has verified the Obama birth information that is required to be president under the constitution

They have stated that the documents they have on file say he was born in Hawaii. They have not verified his residence or age. Nor have they verified his father's citizenship at the time of his birth.

1,156 posted on 10/15/2009 11:18:50 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Obama doesn't need crooked judges when he's up against Orly Taitz.

Maybe he doesn't, but he sure has them, can't say the same for our side.

You Non-Answeres are getting old, so either answer, or don't bother.

1,157 posted on 10/15/2009 12:37:55 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: itsahoot
You Non-Answeres are getting old, so either answer, or don't bother.

As are your asinine accusations made without any evidence to support them. Judges are not crooked merely because you disagree with their verdicts. Based on what I've seen on your posts I'd say disagreeing with you is more an indication of their competence and intelligence.

1,158 posted on 10/15/2009 1:30:12 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: jamese777
That is why John McCain, born in the Colon Hospital in Colon, Panama would also have been constitutionally eligible to be president.

Ugh. This is another one of those internet myths that never dies.

McCain wasn't born in the Colon hospital. He was born in the the Coco Solo naval hospital within the US Canal zone. The BC floating around on the internet claiming he was born in the Colon hospital is a fake. It was subsmitted into evidence by a guy challanging his McCain's eligibility in a case that was dismissed.

You can read about it all here:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/citizen_mccain.html

1,159 posted on 10/15/2009 1:31:44 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: jamese777
Orly has filed a Kenyan copy with sworn affidavit,

...which is inadmissible in evidence under Rule 902 (3) of the Federal Rules of Evidence.

1,160 posted on 10/15/2009 2:40:21 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

That is not what 902(3) says.


1,161 posted on 10/15/2009 2:53:21 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Rule 902. Self-authentication

Extrinsic evidence of authenticity as a condition precedent to admissibility is not required with respect to the following:

(1) Domestic public documents under seal...
(2) Domestic public documents not under seal...
(3) Foreign public documents.
- A document purporting to be executed or attested in an official capacity by a person authorized by the laws of a foreign country to make the execution or attestation, and accompanied by a final certification as to the genuineness of the signature and official position (A) of the executing or attesting person, or (B) of any foreign official whose certificate of genuineness of signature and official position relates to the execution or attestation or is in a chain of certificates of genuineness of signature and official position relating to the execution or attestation. A final certification may be made by a secretary of an embassy or legation, consul general, consul, vice consul, or consular agent of the United States, or a diplomatic or consular official of the foreign country assigned or accredited to the United States. If reasonable opportunity has been given to all parties to investigate the authenticity and accuracy of official documents, the court may, for good cause shown, order that they be treated as presumptively authentic without final certification or permit them to be evidenced by an attested summary with or without final certification.

(My emphasis added)

Nothing in that Rule keeps the Kenyan certificate out, and gives several opportunities for it to come in as proper evidence.

1,162 posted on 10/15/2009 2:57:39 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317

I provided a link to 902(3). What in that Rule says that her alleged certificate is admissible?


1,163 posted on 10/15/2009 2:58:37 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Teacher317
If reasonable opportunity has been given to all parties to investigate the authenticity and accuracy of official documents, the court may, for good cause shown, order that they be treated as presumptively authentic without final certification or permit them to be evidenced by an attested summary with or without final certification.

(1) Orly has not given anyone the opportunity to investigate her document; (2) "good cause" has not been shown, because her affidavit is from a convicted forger, who admits obtaining the document under illegal circumstances; and (3) Orly never even attempted to invoke the last sentence of Rule 902 (3) in any of her court filings, so that issue was waived.

1,164 posted on 10/15/2009 3:04:08 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: El Gato

The state of Hawaii has verified the Obama birth information that is required to be president under the constitution
They have stated that the documents they have on file say he was born in Hawaii. They have not verified his residence or age. Nor have they verified his father’s citizenship at the time of his birth.


Dr. Fukino’s exact words were “...is a natural born American citizen.”
The only things that the Constitution requires are born in the US and over 35 years old. Address of a residence is not required. The information on Obama’s short form COLB meets the constitutional requirements: born in 1961, born in Honolulu. No other information is required.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Obama’s father’s citizenship has no constitutional bearing since his mother was born in Wichita, Kansas.


1,165 posted on 10/15/2009 5:34:42 PM PDT by jamese777
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