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Obama in Nightmare Alley
Asia Times Online Spenglers Expat Bar ^ | Spengler

Posted on 10/13/2009 7:41:36 PM PDT by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Full disclosure: I pray for President Obama weekly, in keeping with theJewish practice to “seek the peace of the city.” But I do not believe he will stand up to the waves of opprobrium that will beat down relentlessly upon him for the next three years. “It is conceivable,” I wrote in February 2008 [http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa02.html], “that Barack Obama, if elected, will destroy himself before he destroys the country.” Some of his strongest supporters in the press now fret that they have a sick puppy on their hands.

The epithet “narcissistic” now sticks to Obama the way “swift-footed” did to Achilles in the Iliad. Newsweek columnist Howard Fineman wrote Sept. 26, “Enough TV, Mr. President” – and that was before the Norwegian Academy offered Obama yet another primetime spot.

Even an former enthusiast like Marty Peretz, the publisher of the New Republic, has taken up the “narcissist” label, and with a vengeance. A committed Zionist, Peretz put his reputation on the block for Obama during the summer of 2008 when conservative critics alleged anti-Israel bias in the Obama camp, and the revision of his views must have been painful. He blasted the president in an Oct. 4 blog post [http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-spine/rio-1-chicago-0-the-politics-narcissism-and-general-mcchrystal]:

What I suspect is that the president is probably a clinical narcissist. This is not necessarily a bad condition if one maintains for oneself what the psychiatrists call an "optimal margin of illusion," that is, the margin of hope that allows you to work. But what if his narcissism blinds him to the issues and problems in the world and the inveterate foes of the nation that are not susceptible to his charms?

(Excerpt) Read more at spengler.atimes.net ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Philosophy
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1 posted on 10/13/2009 7:41:37 PM PDT by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Sorry, but I think it’s worse than mental illness. I believe the man is evil itself.


3 posted on 10/13/2009 7:44:36 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Sarah Palin - Supports a "path to citizenship" for illegal aliens. "path to citizenship" IS AMNESTY)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Then we are screwed, and we have to dig ourselves out of this mess. How is the Bluegrass these days? Rich Arabs still flying their horses into Keeneland? New Circle Road still the major traffic-prone autobahn? (note: do not move to Atlanta if you consider your current traffic bad)


4 posted on 10/13/2009 7:46:19 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
"Personal Foul". Roughing a Freeper. Poster caused the reader to Google the term "opprobrium".

Penalty results in 0.15 additional IQ point yards to the reader but loss of interest in the play. Replay the post.

Please reset the FReeper clock to 1 View.

5 posted on 10/13/2009 7:48:12 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Then join hand in hand, brave Americans all! By uniting we stand, by dividing we fall.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
Overwrought voices on the political fringe speak of treason, which is nonsense,

BS, He is a Commie who took the oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. And has waged a relentless war against the very document that created this Nation. In my book that is Treason.

6 posted on 10/13/2009 7:57:33 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

OBAMA IS A MARXIST IDEOLOGUE

7 posted on 10/13/2009 8:00:05 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
"Narcissism is one possible explanation for Obama’s insistence on the spotlight. Another explanation (and in my view a better one) is that he must do everything himself, because there is no-one to whom he can entrust his project, namely to build down American influence wherever he can."

Destruction of the America that you and I grew up in and love, that is the child messiah's goal. And like clockwork each week/month brings another step toward his goals. IMHO he wants America to be knocked down to turd world status and turn our sovereignty over to the UN and World Court.
8 posted on 10/13/2009 8:01:54 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
Thus is a very good analysis and is somewhat similar to my thoughts lately, although with considerable more eloquence.

Am becoming more convinced that we have seen nobama’s best shot and he shoots just like those gangstas on the Toledo bar video, lots of banging, damn little hittin.

9 posted on 10/13/2009 8:11:24 PM PDT by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

A fascinating essay, although I don’t think there’s that great a distinction between malignant narcissism and sociopathic personality disorder.

Interesting—VERY interesting—that this essay was evidently turned down by Asia Times on Line, where Spengler normally publishes his essays.

Why? They have not been afraid of his exposes of Islamism, or of the cultural decay of the West. But apparently an expose of Obama is more than they can deal with. So, are they more scared of offending Obama than offending Muslim terrorists?

Apparently so.


10 posted on 10/13/2009 8:15:10 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass; dirtboy; Shermy
Now THAT is a very interesting essay. Especially, considering the source -- a card-carrying liberal, but a thoughtful, often incisive one.

Unlike most of them, he recognizes they've created a monster...

Thanks for the post.

11 posted on 10/13/2009 8:19:17 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Cicero

Perhaps I should add that people THINK that Obama is emphathizing with them. But personally I don’t believe that he is. He doesn’t give a damn about anyone but himself. Only he is very good at fooling people and using people—until the illusion wears thin.

Hitler was much the same way. The German people swooned over him, although he would ruthlessly stamp out anyone who got in his way. They loved him.

Malignant narcissists are able to do that.

He spent years doing community organizing among the south side blacks of Chicago. He didn’t improve their lot one iota. He brainwashed them and politicized them and did ACORN type organizing. If they died in the streets, he could care less. He took millions of dollars to organize housing developments for the poor. The rich developers got richer, the poor got poorer, and the housing all fell to pieces.

That ain’t empathy. That’s using people for your own ends.


12 posted on 10/13/2009 8:20:46 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Oh cripes. If we start listening to shrinks we are doomed.


13 posted on 10/13/2009 8:33:43 PM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

A very interesting analysis. I think the author is very close to the truth.


14 posted on 10/13/2009 8:42:42 PM PDT by Rocky (OBAMA: Succeeding where bin Laden failed.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

to read later


15 posted on 10/13/2009 8:43:39 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: Cicero
That ain’t empathy. That’s using people for your own ends.

Interesting, isn't it? As I recall, by 1996, the same essay was being written about Bill Clinton. It took longer to emerge, but the same conclusions were being drawn.

What is it with the Democrat Party's penchant for nominating narcisistic sociopaths?

I believe you could find similar pathologies in both Algore and John Effin' Kerry, as well.

16 posted on 10/13/2009 8:46:40 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Fred Nerks; STARWISE; Liz; maggief
the thrill lies in the deception and the sense of power it brings.

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Obama’s high-risk flirtation with Ayers indicates a disturbing taste for risky deception. The thrill, it seems, is not only in the attention and adulation, but in the secret knowledge of having deceived everyone else.

(snip)

sociopaths willfully “disregard the rights of others,” according to DSM-IV. Typical is “a history of deceitfulness where the individual attempts to con people or use trickery for personal profit.” For the sociopath, the thrill lies in the deception and the sense of power it brings.

(snip)

My early premise was that Obama was a sociopath, not a narcissist as such. “Barack Obama is a clever fellow who imbibed hatred of America with his mother's milk, but worked his way up the elite ladder of education and career,” I wrote in Feb. 2008. He shares the resentment of Muslims against the encroachment of American culture, although not their religion.

(snip)

He has the empathetic skill set of an anthropologist who lives with his subjects, learns their language, and elicits their hopes and fears while remaining at emotional distance. That is, he is the political equivalent of a sociopath. The difference is that he is practicing not on a primitive tribe but on the population of the United States.”

(snip)

Overwrought voices on the political fringe speak of treason, which is nonsense, for there is no country in particular to whom the United States might be betrayed. Instead, Obama will reduce American influence in the world in keeping with his conviction that America has played a malignant role in the world.

[Spengler is wrong about this part; he hasn't thought this through well enough]

(snip)

At some point, if my analysis holds water, we should see behavior from Obama consistent with the other side of antisocial personality disorder. Again, from DSM-IV: “Impulsiveness is often present, including angry outbursts, failure to consider consequences of behaviors, irritability, and/or physical assaults.”

As things go badly wrong and adulation turns into antagonism, we may see a very different side of Obama than he has succeeded in presenting to the public during the past two years.

17 posted on 10/13/2009 8:46:56 PM PDT by thouworm
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To: Cicero

“Perhaps I should add that people THINK that Obama is emphathizing with them. But personally I don’t believe that he is. He doesn’t give a damn about anyone but himself. Only he is very good at fooling people and using people—until the illusion wears thin.”
.....
“all the evidence suggests that Obama exudes empathy.”

I agree with you; that was the other thing I think Spengler got wrong.


18 posted on 10/13/2009 8:50:46 PM PDT by thouworm
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
Of course, the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria have more to do with insurance reimbursements than science, but one might as well follow the logic and see where it leads

One problem when amateurs try to do psychology at home. Reimbursement for treating personality disorders is hard to come by regardless of which flavor; there is no incentive to slant these categories one way or the other, so they in fact are probably among the more scientifically valid categories in the DSM.

Obama has narcissistic traits but in fact is heavily on the Borderline side, given his bitched up family history.

What these diagnoses have in common is not "self-importance" per se but rather an underlying dynamic of aggression as opposed to anxiety. The difference is crucial.

19 posted on 10/13/2009 8:52:56 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Truth--The liberal's Kryptonite)
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To: okie01
What is it with the Democrat Party's penchant for nominating narcisistic sociopaths?

Inevitable. Leftist ideology is based on a psychopathic indifference to the welfare of the individual, and the unabashed use of deception in pursuit of an agenda which has no particular public support.

20 posted on 10/13/2009 8:58:29 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Truth--The liberal's Kryptonite)
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